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Big Sky Abandons The East Coast  
User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6584 posts, RR: 24
Posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 9942 times:

Effective 1/7/08, Big Sky will abandon all East Coast operations. All flights operating as DL connection to BOS and CVG will be gone.

http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/071219/20071219006073.html?.v=1

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User currently offlineElmoTheHobo From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1536 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 9914 times:

Shame.

The big question is who is going to take over this flying, be it on behalf of Delta or independently.


User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17363 posts, RR: 46
Reply 2, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 9868 times:

Wow, maybe DL can start renting out Terminal A for apartments. Silly


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User currently offlinePilotboi From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 2366 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 9773 times:

At least no more Delta flyers can compain about buying a Delta ticket then flying on a silly little B1900.

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32620 posts, RR: 72
Reply 4, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 9726 times:



Quoting ElmoTheHobo (Reply 1):
The big question is who is going to take over this flying, be it on behalf of Delta or independently.

Probably nobody, is my guess. Only a handful of the routes (IIRC, just three - BOS-YFC/YQB/BGR) replaced previous DL flying.



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User currently offlineKnope2001 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2875 posts, RR: 30
Reply 5, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 9715 times:

Wow...this is pretty serious news.

Big Sky is essentially getting out of the flying business, so it would seem. Their non-subsidized BOS flying is ending, and they're simply pulling up stakes in six EAS cities...Watertown (NY), Massena, Ogdensburg, Cape Girardeau, Jackson (TN) and Ownensboro. Also in the press release they say they will continue their Montana flying just until a replacement can be found. If they leave the EAS flying in the west (MT/WY) as well as these six other EAS cities, that leaves them with just a couple routes around Missoula and Boise.

I think we're reaching a point of crisis in EAS 19-seat flying. In the past 18 months or so, Air Midwest/Mesa, Scenic, Skyway, Commutair, Regions and now Big Sky have all ended (or announced an end) to their EAS flying. That essentially leaves Great Lakes for 19-seat flying, and they have already demonstrated an inability to pick up some of the routes they've been awarded in a reasonably timely manner.

Just 4 weeks ago Big Sky bid on the four northern Michigan EAS routes up for bids, and they were the only airline even bidding on two of the cities. Now it seems highly doubtful they're interested.

If this means more Saabs and Embraers in more EAS cities, that's probably good for passengers and demand. However those aircraft are a lot more expensive and may well price more EAS cities out of the network, including some really remote places. Not to mention that some airports in EAS are not readily able to handle 30+ seat aircraft.

[Edited 2007-12-19 14:24:59]

User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 9590 times:

Colgan might just hang on to those B1900's yet. You never know with them.

User currently offlineMtnWest1979 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 2433 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 9500 times:
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Well, this is bad news for me as I work @ BOI and have friends that work for GQ. Found out of this in a text msg. Too bad for all employees.
I wonder how long it will take to find a replacement carrier for MT EAS locations? Perhaps they will let GQ fold and leave these places without service until one is selected. Assuming, of course, anyone wants to. Maybe Great Lakes will get into Sidney,MT yet.



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User currently onlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6712 posts, RR: 32
Reply 8, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 9487 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 4):
Only a handful of the routes (IIRC, just three - BOS-YFC/YQB/BGR) replaced previous DL flying.

BOS-TTN and BOS-BTV were also prior Delta Connection routes.

Quoting Knope2001 (Reply 5):
I think we're reaching a point of crisis in EAS 19-seat flying. In the past 18 months or so, Air Midwest/Mesa, Scenic, Skyway, Commutair, Regions and now Big Sky have all ended (or announced an end) to their EAS flying.

Well, if you look at the numbers MAIR published for the third quarter, Big Sky's CASM was up at just under 40 cents/mile, while RASM was around 31 cents/mile. As far as I can tell, GQ was generating losses of roughly $1.4 million/month, and this is during a quarter which ought to be strong (although to be fair, they were probably incurring significant startup costs).

As I've said in other threads, their reliability out of BOS was terrible. I'd see the departures screens in Terminal A with practically every Delta & Comair flight showing at or near on-time, while the Big Sky flights would have multi-hour delays or outright cancellations.


User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 9420 times:



Quoting MtnWest1979 (Reply 8):
I wonder how long it will take to find a replacement carrier for MT EAS locations?

Umm... they're cutting the Delta Connection out of BOS / CVG flying. Not the western US EAS. Or did I miss something?


User currently offlineHPAEAA From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1024 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 9374 times:



Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 10):
Not the western US EAS. Or did I miss something?

yeah, they said they are searching for a replacment on the west coast flying...



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User currently offlineRcardinale From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 190 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 9329 times:

Wow that sucks! not even a year after they started flying out of BOS they are quitting too bad it didn't work out I enjoyed seeing their planes here. Maybe Cape Air can pick up some of the slack now that they are starting to expand their horizons to places like VT.

User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 9297 times:



Quoting HPAEAA (Reply 11):

yeah, they said they are searching for a replacment on the west coast flying...

Oops, yes I see now.

Quoting Rcardinale (Reply 12):
Maybe Cape Air can pick up some of the slack now that they are starting to expand their horizons to places like VT.

Serviceable 402's aren't that easy to come by these days.


User currently offlineBatonOps From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 746 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 9160 times:

So what happens now to Watertown, Ogdensburg, and Massena in New York state? Will someone else move in to these three cities???

User currently offlineKnope2001 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2875 posts, RR: 30
Reply 14, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 9136 times:

Most likely they'll be out of luck until another airline bids and is selected. The DoT could order Big Sky to continue to serve these markets, but I'm not sure they'll play hardball like that because Big Sky is closing up shop in that corner of the world, and seemingly, closing up in general. They can order all they want, but short of litigation there's not all that much they can do against Big Sky.

If I had to guess, it will be like the cities which lost service when Regions Air shut down in March. It was 7-8+ months for service to return.


User currently offlineRJNUT From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1217 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 9098 times:



Quoting Knope2001 (Reply 5):
think we're reaching a point of crisis in EAS 19-seat flying. In the past 18 months or so, Air Midwest/Mesa, Scenic, Skyway, Commutair, Regions and now Big Sky have all ended (or announced an end) to their EAS flying. That essentially leaves Great Lakes for 19-seat flying, and they have already demonstrated an inability to pick up some of the routes they've been awarded in a reasonably timely manner

EXACTYLY!



how about this solution?

a massive order for q400s, code sharing w/ some legacy to a big hub and tag -ending the EAS cities to another mid level city and everbody's happy///..EAS pays the difference to fly from, say MBS-APN from ORD-APN and there you have it!


a re-entry of good sized turbo props will have to be part of any picture to serve these smaller communities~
the nineteen seaters are dead!


User currently onlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7529 posts, RR: 28
Reply 16, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 9057 times:



Quoting RJNUT (Reply 16):
a massive order for q400s

The Q400 is a 70 seat aircraft, and new aircraft are expensive as it is

Quoting RJNUT (Reply 16):
code sharing w/ some legacy to a big hub and tag -ending the EAS cities to another mid level city and everbody's happy///

They are codesharing, although a city like BOS wasn't a true hub operation for DL.

Quoting RJNUT (Reply 16):
a re-entry of good sized turbo props will have to be part of any picture to serve these smaller communities~
the nineteen seaters are dead!

Before we jump to a 70 seat turboprop, a 30 seater from a reliable operation may be more of the answer. The problem is that many EAS markets are not properly connected to true hubs.

Quoting RJNUT (Reply 16):
EAS pays the difference to fly from, say MBS-APN from ORD-APN and there you have it!

APN isn't an EAS city and its already served from DTW on XJ. Places like ORD don't need anymore small aircraft jamming up ATC as it is at the moment.


User currently offlineSpencerii From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 8981 times:

Heres an article about it from a Billings TV station

http://www.montanasnewsstation.com/Global/story.asp?S=7521701


User currently offlineFlyingcat From United States of America, joined May 2007, 541 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 8913 times:

I can see all the politicos lining up to force someone to fly these routes. Maybe this will be the impetus to overhaul the entire EAS program.

User currently onlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22734 posts, RR: 20
Reply 19, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 8784 times:



Quoting Knope2001 (Reply 5):
That essentially leaves Great Lakes for 19-seat flying, and they have already demonstrated an inability to pick up some of the routes they've been awarded in a reasonably timely manner.

ZK seems to drag their feet when it suits them and move quickly when it suits them; they ramped the STL operation up from just MWA to 5 destinations surprisingly quickly.

Quoting Knope2001 (Reply 15):

If I had to guess, it will be like the cities which lost service when Regions Air shut down in March. It was 7-8+ months for service to return.

If they can work something out with the government for EAS money, ZK might be able to open CGI and MKL sooner than that. They have the much of the infrastructure in place in STL already. It would probably require a third aircraft, as ZK is currently running 20 daily flights with 2 aircraft (16 on Saturdays). Of course, that presumes that XJ isn't interested in either city (XJ provides EAS service at PAH, another 3C casualty).



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User currently offlineAcidradio From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 1874 posts, RR: 10
Reply 20, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 8712 times:
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Quoting Flyingcat (Reply 19):
I can see all the politicos lining up to force someone to fly these routes. Maybe this will be the impetus to overhaul the entire EAS program.

If all of these airlines cannot make it happen, even with all the subsidies, doesn't this demonstrate the lack of viability of serving these market in the first place? I'm sure that these are all remote areas, but still, if nobody wants to go there, that kind of speaks for itself. If there is no population to speak of in these places, could there be a reason for that?

I guess I have to ask - why are we spending federal tax money to subsidize porkbarrel flights to these places? Well we know the reason for that, and it's always a senator or congressman who pulls that off. Now if the individual cities, or counties or states would be willing to subsidize flights, that's alright. But why should we as a nation subsidize service to places which there is obviously little or no demand to go, and which serves very little purpose for the rest of the nation? Someone will argue that those places also pay federal taxes, like the rest of us. But I don't have federal taxes directly subsidizing the cost of fares from MSP to places that I want to go!



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User currently onlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7529 posts, RR: 28
Reply 21, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 8241 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 20):
Of course, that presumes that XJ isn't interested in either city (XJ provides EAS service at PAH, another 3C casualty).

XJ has bid for the EAS flying on some of these cities in the past, and may likely do so again for Watertown (NY) (DTW), and Cape Girardeau (MEM), Jackson (TN) (MEM) and Ownensboro (MEM). However, Mesaba is not cheap and is always the highest bidder whenever they go for EAS flying. For example, they bid on the WV EAS flying but were more than double anyone else. Considering they fly 34-seat Saabs versus 19 seat B1900's and also have more overhead than some of these other carriers which have all been plagued by operational difficulties, retaining employees, and being able to run any sort of reliable service.

Quoting Acidradio (Reply 21):
If all of these airlines cannot make it happen, even with all the subsidies, doesn't this demonstrate the lack of viability of serving these market in the first place? I'm sure that these are all remote areas, but still, if nobody wants to go there, that kind of speaks for itself. If there is no population to speak of in these places, could there be a reason for that?

True, there are some EAS cities that no longer make sense in today's world. Other cities have poor enplanements because the existing service has been very poor. This includes connectivity, where the flights go to airports that offer limited connecting options and also includes service reliability. The service has been simply unreliable - cancelations, significant delays, start-up issues - to the point where the local communities have turned their backs on the EAS service.

If an airline comes in and offers reliable service to good connecting hubsites, branded as a mainline's regional carrier (e.g., Connection / Airlink / Express ) then some of these markets can be successful with a limited about of subsidy.

Other markets have no hope and simply need to be ended.


User currently onlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22734 posts, RR: 20
Reply 22, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 8078 times:



Quoting DTW.SCE" class=quote target=_blank>PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 22):

XJ has bid for the EAS flying on some of these cities in the past, and may likely do so again for Watertown (NY) (DTW), and Cape Girardeau (MEM), Jackson (TN) (MEM) and Ownensboro (MEM).

I think XJ would probably have a hard time making MKL work even if they were to get an EAS contract. It's too close to Memphis for any meaningful local traffic, and Saabs are, as you pointed out, fairly large for EAS. Of course, ZK may wind up making this a moot point, as they would almost certainly underbid XJ.



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User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11454 posts, RR: 61
Reply 23, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 8017 times:



Quoting Knope2001 (Reply 5):
I think we're reaching a point of crisis in EAS 19-seat flying.

It's just not economic anymore. It's not realistic.

With Jet A prices where they are, the threshold for economic viability in smaller markets and smaller communities around the U.S. is significantly higher than it used to be. It's becoming more and more difficult to fill 50-seat props, to say nothing of 50-seat jets. In this type of environment, it's really hard to justify the operation of an entire flight, along with many of the same costs associated with flying bigger planes, and yet they can only fill 19 seats.

Even at 100% load factors day-in, day-out (good luck), it's hard to make these flights work - and the market realities keep telling us time and again that the fare levels necessary to support the higher operating costs virtually guarantee that filling all 19 seats on these planes, when flying in and out of some of these smaller cities, is just not going to work.

The only way they could ever keep this EAS thing going, in my opinion, long-term, is to actually all-out subsidize the flights: i.e., direct payments and revenue guarantees, at higher levels, to make these flights profitable.

Otherwise, for a lot of these EAS cities' air service levels, it's just over.


User currently offlineDALMD88 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2534 posts, RR: 14
Reply 24, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 7739 times:

Sad to see GQ leaving BOS. I was hoping to see them start BOS-SYR for my own use, but now I'm stuck driving five hours or ID90 on US. I too noticed a lot of CXD flights on the board for gate A1 in the past few months. When they first started they were doing pretty good. I heard the loads into ART were actually good. There is a fair amount of government traffic into there with the Army base. I'm sure this EAS city will get service soon. I'm suprised ALB and SYR didn't show much traffic. When I worked for Mohawk back in the 90's there were three airlines doing these routes. Back then there was enough traffic to fill all three operators. I guess the Upstate Ny economy is even worse now than when I lived there. I imagine DL will get someone to fill the gap in a few of the cities GQ was flying to, but not many.

25 MasseyBrown : Two choices: 1) Raise the EAS subsidy. 2) Greyhound.
26 Post contains images EMB170 : Where are these smaller turboprops going to come from? Setting consumer preference aside for a moment (the whole don't-you-dare-stick-me-on-that-litt
27 MasseyBrown : Actually there are more choices, one being to force the big carriers to resume cross-subsidization of these routes. That choice might appeal to a more
28 MtnWest1979 : Well, should be no problem for ZK to get more 1900s, they can just use the ones GQ will be getting rid of. Maybe someone like Frontier Flying Service
29 PVD757 : Comair is going to replace BOS-BGR with 2X CRJ. I wonder what other BOS markets will get RJ service again? Maybe BTV, YFC, YQB, and TTN? I doubt ISP,
30 Knope2001 : A fundamental problem is that as the 19-seat aircraft has become nearly economically unviable, fewer and fewer airlines can fly EAS as an add on to th
31 PSU.DTW.SCE : I would be very surprised to see any of these get RJ service considering the current operating environment. BOS-TTN used to be flown with a CRJ and w
32 Jetlanta : Agreed.
33 MAH4546 : Doubt it. They were switched to Beech 1900Ds for a reason.
34 Post contains links A330323X : Here is the DOT's emergency RFP for the eight communities, as they don't expect Big Sky to be in business for the 90 days it is statutorily required t
35 Knope2001 : Now that IS interesting. I wonder what they consider "reasonable". The recent bid amounts for 19-seat flying have been going through the roof. With a
36 Azjubilee : Poor BigSky... without its big brother Mesaba feeding mama MAIR, it couldn't survive. Maybe they shoulda worked WITH us instead of AGAINST us back in
37 FlyPNS1 : With a SF340, I agree a tag might work. However, I have real doubts about tagging with a CRJ. Particularly since the carriers are already getting sup
38 Azjubilee : Again, I agree. A saab would have superior economics over any jet on the routes in question. AZJ
39 PSU.DTW.SCE : The only problem with tag-ons is that it can be difficult to schedule in regards to getting the flights to align with connecting banks at the hubs. Th
40 MasseyBrown : I think the EAS law tells them what is reasonable. If the EAS point is within 200 miles of a hub, the subsidy cannot exceed $200 per passenger. The D
41 Post contains images F9Animal : This is indeed very sad news. It seems that the move to the east was the final blow to them. I was too very hopeful that they would have grown and be
42 ElmoTheHobo : ... or 3) Take it out back and shoot it, along with those 50 million dollar bridges to nowhere, and other useless pork barrel projects. EAS has outli
43 Flynavy : Or, perhaps in this day and age, Non-Essential Air Service. Good riddance.
44 Nlink : I have been saying that for a long time that EAS should be done with but always get bashed about it. Let local communities pay for the service, not yo
45 PVD757 : was big sky the only carrier to bid on all 8 of those communities last time? I wonder if we'll see Cape Air 9K jump on any of these??
46 Floridaflyboy : Wow, what a cold, heartless thing to say. I just don't get how some people on this site can find joy in other people losing their jobs. I know a lot
47 Azjubilee : I'm not being heartless, I'm just sitting back and observing the train wreck. This isn't the hard working employees fault. This is managements fault,
48 PSU.DTW.SCE : Those comments aren't meant to cold-hearted toward the employees, they are meant to apply to the senior management at MAIR. This is the management tea
49 Post contains links Azjubilee : This is a great article from the Star Trib in Minneapolis that sums this debacle up nicely. It also may give you the understanding as to why I've been
50 DALMD88 : A lot of posters here say EAS is dead and the answer is Greyhound. That may sound good, but many of these cities don't even have intercity bus or trai
51 Azjubilee : EAS does indeed have its place... but the people who "need" it must support it. They have to understand that it costs money to provide them air servic
52 DALMD88 : True, it is a business. Unfortunally most of these communities really don't have the economies to pay the full cost. Part of the reason is poor air s
53 PSU.DTW.SCE : Wow, that is actually one of the better written articles from the Star Trib. Normally they don't provide the full story and that much detail. Man, Fo
54 Flynavy : Which is the reason why EAS shouldn't exist. If a city or town could really do with a Wal-Mart store but doesn't have the economics to support a stor
55 MasseyBrown : A330323X, you know as much as or more about EAS than anybody else, what does DOT do if there are NO bidders?
56 Tornado82 : The amount spent on EAS in comparison to the other government projects is a tiny pittance. SCASD is a far bigger fraud... when the state of NC gets mo
57 RKDflier : BGR-BOS will be covered by Comair according to the local newspaper. From 6x daily B1900, going to 2x Daily CRJ200. Comair already covers BGR-ATL and B
58 Flynavy : Irrelevant. Not one taxpayer penny should be spent on EAS. I'd like to add that these EAS flights oftentimes were dispatched with ZERO passengers. Ze
59 DALMD88 : Sound like good logic, but I guess by the same token all road work should just be local funded also. If that little town can't afford to repair the b
60 Post contains links A330323X : I promise to give you a very long and detailed answer later. But the short answer is that I don't recall off the top of my head a situation like this
61 Tornado82 : People who keep saying that B1900's are in short supply confuse me. With Big Sky folding up, Colgan getting out of the market (or are they?), Commutai
62 A330323X : FYI, about 10 (or 12?) of GQ's B1900Ds are actually leased from ZV. So it's not really the availability of the planes that's the problem, it's the ec
63 JBo : I think it's a matter of the demand for second-hand 1900Ds and what carriers are willing to pay for them. Most of the 7 (or maybe 8 now) eight Skyway
64 A330323X : We know what happens if a carrier goes out of business. Just look at RegionsAir at STL, or a number of carriers in the southwest. The community just
65 Flynavy : Apples vs. oranges. Dispatching flights with zero revenue passengers "just because" due to an EAS contract makes ZERO sense.
66 Freshlove1 : Exactly, like wasting the taxpayers money on the milatary in Iraq. How many billions is it now? Guess that EAS contract for GQ dosen't look so bad no
67 Post contains links A330323X : I knew there was a good example, and I just remembered what it was. http://www.regionalaviationpartners....e/pdf/12.19.07EAS_GA_extension.pdf Atlanti
68 MasseyBrown : Nice research, thanks. I guess the implacable force of fuel price is meeting the immovable object of the EAS subsidy cap. For this to occur in an ele
69 UN_B732 : Isn't Big Sky forced to maintain EAS services until a replacement is appointed? -A
70 MtnWest1979 : Moot point since ZK is going to replace them. But I think that is general practice, but that has been with airlines that were ongoing concerns, not ab
71 A330323X : Yes, but as I said above, RegionsAir was forced to maintain EAS services, but that didn't stop them from going out of business. The same applies here
72 ERAUgrad02 : Someone (airline) needs to buy all those regionsair J-32's and stat flying them. They'd def find places for them.
73 Cubsrule : I hate to bump an old thread, but what's wrong in STL? They dragged their feet for a while, but it seems to be working fine now.
74 A330323X : The AmericanConnection codeshare they promised the communities that they didn't come through on. Also, ZK is supposed to be providing two of the comm
75 JBo : I wouldn't be surprised if ZK didn't get the AA codeshare over something so simple as ZK wouldn't paint their planes in AA colors ... though there's
76 Cubsrule : That's more a problem on American's end, though. Who is supposed to be getting 3x/4x?
77 A330323X : Burlington 3x Cape Girardeau 3x Ft. Leonard Wood 3x Marion 4x
78 Jetblueguy22 : I would love to get one! As long as I can get a nice view! Blue
79 Cubsrule : They don't fly to CGI right now... are they supposed to?
80 Post contains images A330323X : Sorry, my bad. That's what I get for typing while eating.
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