B752OS From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1322 posts, RR: 0 Posted (5 years 12 months 7 hours ago) and read 9341 times:
I thought it would be time to start a new thread and pick up where ChrisNH had started with the first thread.
BOS is on pace for a record year through Oct, the airport has seen 23,922,922 passengers which is up over 1.7% over the previous record year of 2000 (I compared oct 2007 and oct 2007 ytd statistics). That may not seem like a lot, but it goes to show how Logan has recovered post 9/11.
A little bit father up north, PWM is on a tear. They have posted at least 9.2% of better growth for every month (January-October) which is incredible.
Jawake From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 257 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (5 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 9303 times:
I think the biggest news out of MHT at the moment is the open position of Airport Director. I thought it was being filled by someone out of PVD, but I maybe wrong. There is nothing on MHT website. Does anyone have any news on the vacancy at MHT?
Airbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 7471 posts, RR: 11 Reply 2, posted (5 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 9279 times:
Given the the largest carriers at BOS have been reducing service (DL, AA, US), to what can we attribute this growth?
Surely B6 alone cannot account for all that growth, or can it? How about international traffic growth? Does anyone have the numbers?
On a related notes, take a look at this? Boston To Beijing flights looking up
Rcardinale From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 190 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (5 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 9274 times:
Carriers have been adding flights left and right DL has probably made up for the flts they have dropped with their new PHL flights and others. B6 has contributed largely to the traffic numbers. Other airlines like Flyglobespan and IB have increased international pax numbers greatly. Finally we have exceeded 9/11 numbers!!!
B752OS From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1322 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (5 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 9274 times:
Quoting Airbazar (Reply 2): Given the the largest carriers at BOS have been reducing service (DL, AA, US), to what can we attribute this growth?
Surely B6 alone cannot account for all that growth, or can it? How about international traffic growth? Does anyone have the numbers?
On a related notes, take a look at this?
Europe and Middle East traffic through August is up over 4%
The Massport website shows a breakdown of numbers, but the problem is, is that it doesn't show how many pax are flying to Asia for example, it seems they only have numbers for the destinations that are served with service.
KPWMSpotter From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 385 posts, RR: 2 Reply 5, posted (5 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 9254 times:
Quoting Jawake (Reply 1): I think the biggest news out of MHT at the moment is the open position of Airport Director.
It's gone almost un-noticed around here, but PWM is also lacking a key management position at the moment. Earlier this year Jeff Bourk (the asst. airport manager who holds a good deal of the credit for negotiating JetBlue and AirTran service) absconded off to the new Branson airport in Missouri. The city of Portland's website currently has "Assistant Airport Director" listed in their help wanted section, right next to "Aquatic Programmers" and "Crossing Guards"...
PVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3395 posts, RR: 17 Reply 6, posted (5 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 9243 times:
Quoting Jawake (Reply 1): I think the biggest news out of MHT at the moment is the open position of Airport Director. I thought it was being filled by someone out of PVD, but I maybe wrong. There is nothing on MHT website. Does anyone have any news on the vacancy at MHT?
Mark Brewer, the current President & CEO of the Rhode Island Airport Corporation will become the new head of MHT in the next week or two. PVD is supposedly searching for a replacement.
Jawake From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 257 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (5 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 9225 times:
Quoting PVD757 (Reply 6): Mark Brewer, the current President & CEO of the Rhode Island Airport Corporation will become the new head of MHT in the next week or two. PVD is supposedly searching for a replacement.
Thanks PVD757,that was who I was thinking of, does anyone know if that is confirmed? I remember hearing that it had to be approved by the city of Manchester.
I mentioned this because I would be interested in what Mark Brewer might bring to MHT as far as vision and future business opportunities. We all know MHT would like some West Coast Service, or at least to places like DEN, SLC or DFW. I wonder if he would be able to get it done.
Georgiabill From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 553 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (5 years 11 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 9090 times:
Season greetings everyone and best wishes for a happy and prosperous 2008. Just curious has anyone heard how well the new Wn service between MHT and PHX is doing? Have flown twice to LAS since PHX non stop service began and loads were still good on MHT-LAS flights. Personally hoping the new airport manager can bring in another airline, perhaps Frontier for service to DEN or Airtran to offer mainline service from MHT to ATL . Has anyone flown or knows anyone who has flown on Skybus from Portsmouth yet? Just curious on how they are doing. As they have added or intend to add new service from Portsmouth to Florida and North Carolina (Greensboro) I believe. Good to see Iberia planning to go daily on their BOS to MAD service. Hopefully 2008 will see TAP return to Boston from LIS and perhaps a middleeastern carrier
EMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9348 posts, RR: 12 Reply 12, posted (5 years 11 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 9086 times:
I was shocked to see PWM is up to 7 daily FedEx flights...!! A mix of 727's and A300's. I know LL Bean has a lot to do with that, but dang...!!! I remember when i lived there it was just 2 Cessna Caravans.
"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog"
Airbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 7471 posts, RR: 11 Reply 14, posted (5 years 11 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 9072 times:
Quoting Georgiabill (Reply 11): Hopefully 2008 will see TAP return to Boston from LIS and perhaps a middleeastern carrier
The rumor I heard was for 2009. It makes sense 'cause they will be doing some expansion in Africa in 2008 and are having trouble hiring enough pilots to keep up with demand on their intra-Europe market.
B752OS From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1322 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (5 years 11 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 9056 times:
Quoting Jawake (Reply 13): I have emailed FL begging them to consider MHT, since DL rates are so high on ATL-MHT. I would also not rule out UA trying DEN-MHT. Who knows? Although F9 would be a nice addition to MHT.
I think F9 is the best bet for MHT to see DEN service. I also think PVD will see it before MHT does via F9. UA would probably start BDL-DEN first before any other New England stations.
KPWMSpotter From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 385 posts, RR: 2 Reply 16, posted (5 years 11 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 9037 times:
Quoting EMBQA (Reply 12): I was shocked to see PWM is up to 7 daily FedEx flights...!! A mix of 727's and A300's. I know LL Bean has a lot to do with that, but dang...!!! I remember when i lived there it was just 2 Cessna Caravans.
There certainly is a lot of traffic for the holidays, but I expect it to die back down when the season passes. The normal day for PWM sees two 727s, or possibly a 727 and an A310. (as well as the usual 3 or 4 C208s heading up north). It's been an interesting few days though.
ChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 3918 posts, RR: 2 Reply 18, posted (5 years 11 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 8995 times:
Seasons greetings everyone!
Much to talk about this time around, and thank you B752OS for doing the honors this time around.
Observations from the discussion points thus far:
Great to see PWM blast off, and they have! For years PWM has sort of lived in the shadows of MHT much the same way that MHT lived in the shadows of Logan. But the key thing is for PWM to support the new service they're getting. Clearly the community is doing just that, since AirTran went from announcing 'seasonal' service to going full-time on its routes to BWI and MCO. JetBlue, not to be left behind, launched their own point-to-point service to Orlando. Is there enough of a market to Orlando to support them both? You betcha!
Cargo is down this holiday season. The big guys said as much leading into it. Yes, we're getting our FedEx MD-10s and DC-10s and PWM is getting their A300s and A310s, but a quick comparison from this season to last season would suggest that overall lift across the FedEx and UPS networks is down. But if PWM had two widebodies on the ramp at any one time, I'd love to see a picture!
Northwest had a 757 divert to MHT last night from Detroit. It was supposed to ferry down to Boston this afternoon but as of this writing the plane is still here. Word from a ramper is that someone left the plane's APU running and bled a fuel tank dry (or something). But the plane is still here, doing nothing, at a time when NW would dearly love to get those seats into the air earning money.
Watch for FedEx to bring the MD-11 and 757 (!!) to Manchester in early '08 to test out the new heads-up display being built by a nearby technology company (believe Kollsman). They've already done the MD-10 over the course of a multi-day visit that had the big plane doing several interesting test flights in our area. Look for the same with the MD-11 and 757, the latter surely drawing interest from spotters.
Our new Airport Director is going to be tasked with jump-starting what has really been flat-lining business at MHT. I've been pleased to see relatively strong numbers here from mid-2007 onward. Our latest numbers trail only PWM and are very strong by any measure. Will we see a black number for all of 2007? Possibly, but a very strong November and December will help. I'm encouraged. BUT...what can an Airport Director really do? What can you expect in an industry where the players (still) aren't all that healthy? Can he attract a new carrier? New routes? I'd love to say 'Yes,' but my feeling is that if either of these things happen it won't necessarily be a result of who's in charge.
'Open Skies' bears watching in 2008. Is Boston enough of a tourist draw for Europeans that some new carriers will consider the value of flying to PVD or MHT? I hope so, but I'm not expecting so. MHT and PVD are to Boston what Sanford is to Orlando. But Orlando has Disney and Boston has, well, Quincy Market and the Wrentham Outlets. The 787 will eventually be an enabler for all sorts of new service, so whatever doesn't occur in 2008 might in 2009 or 2010. This means not only service to/from Europe, but the Asia service that Boston deserves but just can't support with today's mix of aircraft. Korean had to launch their 747-400s weight-restricted out of Logan, or stop at JFK/IAD first. The nice service died a relatively quick death, which to this day represents the only Boston-Asia passenger service ever.
Airbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 7471 posts, RR: 11 Reply 19, posted (5 years 11 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 8970 times:
Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 18): MHT and PVD are to Boston what Sanford is to Orlando. But Orlando has Disney and Boston has, well, Quincy Market and the Wrentham Outlets.
Hey, don't knock on Quincy Market. Did you know that Quincy Market/Fenuil Hall is the biggest tourist attraction in the US? More people visit Quincy Market than Disney World. Then again, I wonder if they consider Times Square a tourist attraction, and how many people pass through there on any given day?
ChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 3918 posts, RR: 2 Reply 20, posted (5 years 11 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 8961 times:
Oh, I'm not knocking Quincy Market at all. In fact, I love the place! But I'm shocked that it out-draws Disney. I never would have guessed that. You can factually gauge the number of visitors at Disney through actual counts through the four theme parks. But there's really only a 'good guess' with respect to Quincy Market visitors since people can wander in and out without actually being 'counted.'
But again, I'm amazed that Quincy Market trumps Disney in terms of tourism. Not a disbeliever...just amazed.
Afitch7881 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 812 posts, RR: 1 Reply 21, posted (5 years 11 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 8946 times:
Does anyone know if the NW BDL-AMS flight was canceled any during November? I am pretty sure it was canceled at least one day due to MX issues. Numbers for November aren't good, however November is by no means a big International travel month and this is the first month BDL hasn't had good numbers on the flight.
Jawake From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 257 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 8908 times:
Quoting Airbazar (Reply 2): On a related notes, take a look at this? Boston To Beijing flights looking up
Does any one else want to speculate that BOS may see Asian service in 2009? Grand China Airlines is based out of where? Curious where the BOS flight might connect in China. PEK? PVG?
Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 18): 'Open Skies' bears watching in 2008. Is Boston enough of a tourist draw for Europeans that some new carriers will consider the value of flying to PVD or MHT?
The old Airport Director at MHT was saying no, I wonder if that is still true.
Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 18): MHT and PVD are to Boston what Sanford is to Orlando.
I am not sure that is a good comparison, not to be a nuicance. I am not certain there is a good comparison out there. MHT has a connection to Boston, but at the same time a connection to Northern New England. Sanford is on Orlando just like MCO.
My best shot would be a comparison between LAX & SNA or ONT.
ILovePabst From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 100 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 8901 times:
Quoting Airbazar (Reply 19): Hey, don't knock on Quincy Market. Did you know that Quincy Market/Fenuil Hall is the biggest tourist attraction in the US? More people visit Quincy Market than Disney World. Then again, I wonder if they consider Times Square a tourist attraction, and how many people pass through there on any given day?
I have heard this many times yet I think I have to call that urban myth. According to ForbesTraveler.com, Quincy Market doesn't even make the Top 50 Most Visited Tourist attractions.
Some of those in the top 10: Times Square, Disneyland, Niagara Falls, Fisherman's Wharf, Sea World Florida
Airbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 7471 posts, RR: 11 Reply 24, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 8900 times:
Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 20): But again, I'm amazed that Quincy Market trumps Disney in terms of tourism. Not a disbeliever...just amazed.
Well, I'd take this with a grain of salt. I heard this from the Boston tourism board or something like that and I think the word they used was "visitors", not tourists. That could mean just about everyone who walks past there on any given day, including people like my wife who walks past it on her way to work and people like myself who lives in the suburbs and goes to visit on weekends. Having said that, BOS gets more international passengers than MCO and SFB combined.
Quoting Jawake (Reply 22): Grand China Airlines is based out of where? Curious where the BOS flight might connect in China. PEK? PVG?
Grand China Air is the new name for Hainan Airlines, based on Hainan Island but I wouldn't expect to see Boston-Haikou non-stop service A lot of their flights are operated from PEK. It's worth noting that George Soros is their largest investor.
25 Jawake: Thanks Airbazar, so I will ask, who is George Soros?
26 Airbazar: The rich guy who "run" for president in 2004 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Soros[Edited 2007-12-22 06:14:05]
27 Jawake: I was just reading that. Thanks. Does he have any connection to Boston? Is it his hope that the airline would expand to the States? Just trying to ge
28 Georgiabill: Season greetings all! I think BOS is more likely to see non stop service to Japan than China. I could be wrong, but at one time AA had plans to serve
29 Airbazar: None that I know of other than his ties to the Democratic party and various liberal organizations But he is an Americna business man and has said he
30 KC135TopBoom: " target=_blank>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Soros Soros never ran for the US Presidentcy. He cannot run as he is not a US born citizen. But h
31 B752OS: Even considering Philadelphia, Boston is the largest market in the U.S. without non-stop service to Asia, I would also say it is bigger then Minneapo
32 Airbazar: Which why I sarcastically typed "run" in quotes
33 AviationAddict: From the world of 9K: Our recently launched BOS-RUT route is doing pretty well with second highest load factors for the entire Northeast operation beh
34 ChrisNH: The Northwest 757 that was stranded here in Manchester for two days finally departed on Saturday morning. Leaving empty for Boston, the plane used 23
35 Georgiabill: Season greetings to all! It is good to see that Jetblue and Airtran have sparked an increase of traffic at Portland. I am sure Jetblue is also having
36 AirPortugal310: I have dual citizenship with Portugal, will they hire me to fly?! Sign this guy up. I'm good to go! Well well look who's back... you had better not c
37 Jawake: When thinking of new airlines at MHT, I have to admit I have only thought of F9 & FL, I figured AA is never going to be interested as well as B6. But
38 ChrisNH: One thing we haven't talked about is the variety of aircraft we'll see at MHT in conjunction with the New Hampshire Primary coming up next month. I do
39 WarRI1: I was wondering if anyone could help me with some information about Logan, there was an article in the local newspaper in War. R.I that 757 aircraft h
40 Rcardinale: There is no question that 757's depart 9 and make it all the way to the west coast it happens everyday that runway is in use and i have personally see
41 ChrisNH: Any discussion about longer runways should be packaged in terms of safety, not 'need.' Besides, you won't win any argument with the local populace if
42 WarRI1: I have to thank you for the help and that is exactly what I read in the local newspaper, now in the statewide newspaper, you will never hear this, th
43 WarRI1: I certainly agree with your pound sand theory. I think you need to live here to understand the real motivation at work here. 1. The growing of the ai
44 ChrisNH: Well, PVD doesn't need more concrete than it already has. There's nothing that PVD can legitimately hope to get in the way of service that they can't
45 WarRI1: I am not sure at this time, I know that there is a time frame for passenger traffic, at one time I think that it was 6:30 am to 12:30 am, I am not su
46 Jawake: So since we are talking about expansion, let me ask a really really really crazy question.... Could Boston Metro benefit from a New International Airp
47 WarRI1: I guees it would be conveniant for that area, but I bet the existing airports would not like the idea one bit, and we all know that they are all tryi
48 ChrisNH: There is absolutely, positively NO appetite for a new airport in New England. None. Not with population trends that show people leaving the region bec
49 WarRI1: I could not have said it better myself, Manchester threw a party and nobody came. That is one of my main reasons for objecting to the expansion, the
50 PVD757: The runway in Quonset is only 334 feet longer (834 feet if they are allowed to use the displaced threashold for takeoff), and runs in a NW/SE wind di
51 WarRI1: I was off by a half an hour,agreed, you work at the airport,agreed, I can imagine that people shrug it off because of the second part about the distr
52 PVD757: well, we're all entitled to our opinions. I happen to think it is a lot less about powers that be and private money than you and more about operationa
53 Airbazar: And where exactly would you put it? Show me that much available land between Boston and Springfield where aircraft landing and taking off don't have
54 Airbazar: If you meet their requirements, sign up http://www.recrutamento.tap.pt/000001.jsp They predict that they will grow 20% in 2008 but that benckmark is
55 KC135TopBoom: MASSPORT could try to help open up PSM as a second Metro-Boston-Area international airport. That is north of BOS, in Portsmouth, NH. So, it may or ma
56 WarRI1: I could not agree with you more on the whole subject of the airport expansion.
57 WarRI1: I agree and that is what is wrong with this whole expansion, too many biased and competing interests, the funny part of this whole thing is that I ha
58 Airbazar: Are you serious? Without any traffic is nearly 2 hours from Springfield to PSM but you obviously have never driven on I-495 at rush hour or you would
59 AirPortugal310: Thanks for the link. I shall check this out. AirBazar, I agree with you... After reading thread after thread after thread, I have concluded two thing
60 KC135TopBoom: I grew up in Lynn, MA, and lived for 10 years in Portsmouth, NH. Believe me, I know what traffic is like in the Boston area, esspeically I-90, I-95,
61 Lat41: Hopefully we in Southern New England can someday soon lay the former NAS Quonset to rest. It has one suitable runway, unsophisticated navigational equ
62 KC135TopBoom: The only real hop for a new airport in southern New England is to close Otis ANGB and turn it into a new airport. That should not happen, the USCG, an
63 Airbazar: Dude, I don't know what you're smoking but I want some There is no way that MHT/PSM are a better option to get to Lynn, than BOS. Not in a million ye
64 WarRI1: I know that in R.I. we have a reputation for not wanting to drive very far, and if other airports are 25 miles or so in the distance, I think we coul
65 AirPortugal310: you people should not be driving period! HAHA Happy Holidays folks
66 GCT64: As someone very distant from PVD (although I have been there once), it might be worth noting that BRS has a runway only 6598 ft long and that supports
67 AirPortugal310: No not too bad. Lets not forget that years back, Air Luxor used to power their A330's off to Portugal in the middle of the summer. And knowing the wa
68 KC135TopBoom: I didn't say my family still lives in Lynn (why would anyone want to live there now anyway, look it up in Wikipedia). I only grew up there, in the 19
69 AirPortugal310: All I know of the NH Seacoast is Hampton Beach, but that would be reason enough to move there too. single handedly one of the better beaches in New E
70 Airbazar: I won't discuss your taste but I live less than 30 minutes from the coast and I go to beach virtually every weekend from late June to September. Salt
71 ChrisNH: On January 2 my folks (who reside up in Kennebunkport) will drive down to Pease and then take a bus down to Logan to catch their JetBlue nonstop to Sa
72 KC135TopBoom: Since that is aboard a B6 A-320, in the winter, I'd look for a refueling stop in PHX for that BOS-SAN non-stop. I still think PSM is close enough to
73 Rcardinale: Actually the west bound flts have been going non stop most of the time. I think that the 6 seat reduction gave the plane that little bit fo weight re
74 Airbazar: There's a big difference in that comparison because JFK and EWR serve two very seperate and very large catchement areas. the only overlap is Manhatta
75 WarRI1: I could not agree more about the driving, after a career driving on 95 on a regular basis. I also would like to thank you about the flight informatio
76 AirPortugal310: Ill agree that the water is generally pretty cold, even in summer. The boardwalk? C'mon! Its awesome nightlife that I have been enjoying since I was
77 WarRI1: I have done some research, thanks to the above information from GCT64, whom I thank again. Continental Airlines offers service from Newark to Bristol
78 Cloudboy: Why do we even need another airport? Ours are hardly at capacity. Even Logan suffers more from inadequare facilities than because of too many planes.
79 B752OS: I would agree that additional airports are not needed. Logan is a prime example of an airport that needs an upgrade with some facilities and could de
80 AirPortugal310: Hey no need to give respect...I like what I like...you like what you like....everyone's happy at the end of the day and thats what matters right? I am
81 Jawake: If you referring to my question about a new airport west of BOS, I was assuming that Logan would close or downsize severely. I was thinking of a whol
82 Lat41: Prevailing winds, obstructions on either end of a given runway, whether there is frequent snow or sand on the pavement limiting traction, availabilit
83 ChrisNH: I do think that in many cases when we actually believe that a route cannot be served because of runway length, it actually can be served when we poke
84 Airbazar: I don't think Open skies will make much of a difference to New England. Open skies is all about LHR, NYC, and little else. There are few internationa
85 PVD757: not to mention that this service uses the 757 - perhaps one of the best powered commercial aircraft ever built in terms of thrust to weight ratio...
86 KC135TopBoom: Is the pile of rocks still there? It was ironic the old man of the mountain face slid down the mountain exactly 1 year after the New Hampshire state
87 WarRI1: I will say this, that can be so, but lets see, the biggest hill we have in R.I is the landfill 10 or so miles away, we have the ocean, we are the Oce
88 Curticool: Dover, NH (which less than half the people don't even know where it even is) has the New Hampshire children's museum formerly in Portsmouth PSE should
89 Lat41: The obstructions one speaks of in terms of a runway approach or departure also include trees, sometimes that are not topped regularly, buildings, cell
90 KC135TopBoom: New England and the Boston area is growing like weeds in Texas in the springtime. It takes over a decade to plan, then build a new airport. If Boston
91 Airbazar: Now ask yourself this: How hot does it get at BRS in the Summer months? I guarantee you not nearly as hot and humid as PVD.
92 WarRI1: I am sorry, but that is the nature of the forum as far as I can tell, there are all kinds of statistics , one cannot let an airport take over the wel
93 Lat41: The 757-200 is a very high performance aircraft but is ONE type. International fares are much higher and the profit margin is greater and Bristol may
94 WarRI1: That I cannot answer, but I think that Boston has basically the same weather as Prov, so if Logan can dispatch flights to the West Coast by 757 on a
95 Airbazar: Except BOS also has 2 10,000+ft runways that can be used is needed and PVD doesn't. So what do you do? Tell the airlines that during the busy months
96 WarRI1: I still do not hear any clamoring from any airlines to justify the spending of 500 million more taxpayers dollars, the exact opposite has been said,
97 KC135TopBoom: I did not realize the runways at PVD were so short. Does the airport own enough land to extend them to 10,000'+? If not, PVD will have to become a sec
98 ChrisNH: OK...here's an observation. In this 'New England Aviation' thread we've talked about Boston, Manchester, Providence, Pease, Portland, a bit about Brad
99 LH423: I loved it when I lived there and people would refer to Warwick as being "far". Amen! Feck Rhode Islanders can't drive. True. New England is the poor
100 RL757PVD: Where do I begin with your misguided education.... like many folks in Warwick unfortunatlely..... #1 NO.. i repeat NO general tax payer money goes to
101 Airbazar: So not true. I go to the Alps almost every year. It's a lot cheaper to ski in the Alps than it is to ski in New England. You can't find a crappy old
102 LH423: Ah, but you're wrong. Trust me, I used to work for BA. BA and Virgin Holidays do a bustling business selling ski packages to New England. Usually, ai
103 Eyes2thesky: Well, I can say a few things, but nothing earth-shaking: The B6 nonstop to Orlando officially starts on Jan. 10th. FX briefly added a daily Mountain
104 Pwm2txlhopper: There are no F-15's at Bangor. Only ME ANG KC-135's. There haven't been fighters there since it was Dow AFB in the 1960's.
105 WarRI1: Ok, I will admit that maybe, I am not the bestspeaker on this subject. I do know that I am not alone in the antiexpansion movement and let us not for
106 Eyes2thesky: Ya, I screwed up. Just making sure everyone's paying attention ---- Also noticed that UA has been substituting an A320 for the A319 on the daily BTV-
107 Airbazar: Maybe next time I run into one of these guys on the slopes I should try to sell them a bridge As an avid skier myself I just can't fathom a reason wh
108 Dvincent: This combined with the exodus of the A10s from both BAF and BDL... Are there any air bases in New York state that can pick up the slack?
109 RL757PVD: Ok where do i begin.... Some flights during the summer time are weight restricted, depending on the aircraft type and destination. Southwests PHX and
110 Dvincent: Let's not forget that PVD HAD a parallel runway at one point (what is now Taxiway victor used to be 5L/23R). It's not the question of whether they ca
111 John: Even if 5L/23R at PVD were re-activated/expanded/widened to allow commercial ops, the 2 runways would not be spaced far enough apart to allow simultan
112 B752OS: Call me crazy, but I don't think the Providence economy is killed or hurt by lack of air service for the simple fact that BOS offers non-stop to almo
113 KC135TopBoom: You are correct, I don't think anyone has mentioned BTV. I doubt the FAA would assist in funding airport improvements at BTV, since the now closed Pl
114 PVD757: A key point that was just made: The consultants RIAC hired are following the FAA guidelines set forth in the master planning process. There is no hidd
115 Lat41: Though the New England Economy is in many ways tied to or led by Boston, We in Southern New England in the PVD area are not BOS. This the 35th larges
116 Eyes2thesky: The NY Air Guard has F16s in Syracuse, but I think their primary mission is close air support, not air defense. Although after 9-11 they temporarily
117 WarRI1: On that point, I am more than painfully aware, so I guess my saying that it is a possibility was not that far off. I would also point out that the ca
118 WarRI1: That is well said as far as the need for PVD to compete against Logan, how much do we need?, where does the quality of life issues come in this argum
119 ChrisNH: I have been quite interested to see the level of activity at Bedford/Hanscom. If you check FlightAware you will see, from time to time, 737s (a mix of
120 LH423: I'm certainly not going to argue that one. But also a lot of the people that come here have already done the Alps. They want something different but
121 RL757PVD: The FAA will not even consider a parallel runway until an airport approaches its capacity. The FAA guidelines (again NOT RIAC's agenda!) are: 60% of
122 KC135TopBoom: If the PVD area is #35 in the US, how can it compete with #5 area, BOS?
123 KPWMSpotter: Kind of off of the current topic, but something interesting I came across today: US Airways is launching a flight from MHT-BOS. Starting February 11th