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User currently offlineB752OS From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1322 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 9 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 10051 times:

I thought it would be time to start a new thread and pick up where ChrisNH had started with the first thread.

BOS is on pace for a record year through Oct, the airport has seen 23,922,922 passengers which is up over 1.7% over the previous record year of 2000 (I compared oct 2007 and oct 2007 ytd statistics). That may not seem like a lot, but it goes to show how Logan has recovered post 9/11.

A little bit father up north, PWM is on a tear. They have posted at least 9.2% of better growth for every month (January-October) which is incredible.

You can find the traffic statistics for New England airports here http://travelnewenglandnewspapers.com/ANEGraph.html

Another development out of Logan is that IB will expand serviceand make their current 5 x weekly BOS-MAD flight daily which is a good sign the route has been doing well.

MHT has seen some good growth over the past few months as well.

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User currently offlineJawake From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 284 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 9 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 10013 times:

I think the biggest news out of MHT at the moment is the open position of Airport Director. I thought it was being filled by someone out of PVD, but I maybe wrong. There is nothing on MHT website. Does anyone have any news on the vacancy at MHT?

User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8373 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (6 years 9 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 9989 times:

Given the the largest carriers at BOS have been reducing service (DL, AA, US), to what can we attribute this growth?
Surely B6 alone cannot account for all that growth, or can it? How about international traffic growth? Does anyone have the numbers?
On a related notes, take a look at this? Boston To Beijing flights looking up


User currently offlineRcardinale From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 190 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 9 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 9984 times:

Carriers have been adding flights left and right DL has probably made up for the flts they have dropped with their new PHL flights and others. B6 has contributed largely to the traffic numbers. Other airlines like Flyglobespan and IB have increased international pax numbers greatly. Finally we have exceeded 9/11 numbers!!!

User currently offlineB752OS From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1322 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 9 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 9984 times:



Quoting Airbazar (Reply 2):
Given the the largest carriers at BOS have been reducing service (DL, AA, US), to what can we attribute this growth?
Surely B6 alone cannot account for all that growth, or can it? How about international traffic growth? Does anyone have the numbers?
On a related notes, take a look at this?

Europe and Middle East traffic through August is up over 4%

The Massport website shows a breakdown of numbers, but the problem is, is that it doesn't show how many pax are flying to Asia for example, it seems they only have numbers for the destinations that are served with service.


User currently offlineKPWMSpotter From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 445 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (6 years 9 months 5 days ago) and read 9964 times:



Quoting Jawake (Reply 1):
I think the biggest news out of MHT at the moment is the open position of Airport Director.

It's gone almost un-noticed around here, but PWM is also lacking a key management position at the moment. Earlier this year Jeff Bourk (the asst. airport manager who holds a good deal of the credit for negotiating JetBlue and AirTran service) absconded off to the new Branson airport in Missouri. The city of Portland's website currently has "Assistant Airport Director" listed in their help wanted section, right next to "Aquatic Programmers" and "Crossing Guards"...



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User currently offlinePVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3413 posts, RR: 16
Reply 6, posted (6 years 9 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 9953 times:



Quoting Jawake (Reply 1):
I think the biggest news out of MHT at the moment is the open position of Airport Director. I thought it was being filled by someone out of PVD, but I maybe wrong. There is nothing on MHT website. Does anyone have any news on the vacancy at MHT?

Mark Brewer, the current President & CEO of the Rhode Island Airport Corporation will become the new head of MHT in the next week or two. PVD is supposedly searching for a replacement.


User currently offlineJawake From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 284 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 9 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 9935 times:



Quoting PVD757 (Reply 6):
Mark Brewer, the current President & CEO of the Rhode Island Airport Corporation will become the new head of MHT in the next week or two. PVD is supposedly searching for a replacement.

Thanks PVD757,that was who I was thinking of, does anyone know if that is confirmed? I remember hearing that it had to be approved by the city of Manchester.

I mentioned this because I would be interested in what Mark Brewer might bring to MHT as far as vision and future business opportunities. We all know MHT would like some West Coast Service, or at least to places like DEN, SLC or DFW. I wonder if he would be able to get it done.


User currently offlinePVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3413 posts, RR: 16
Reply 8, posted (6 years 9 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 9895 times:



Quoting Jawake (Reply 7):
does anyone know if that is confirmed?



Quoting PVD757 (Reply 6):
will become the new head of MHT in the next week or two.

yes, it's finalized.


User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12146 posts, RR: 51
Reply 9, posted (6 years 9 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 9886 times:



Quoting Jawake (Reply 7):
We all know MHT would like some West Coast Service, or at least to places like DEN, SLC or DFW. I wonder if he would be able to get it done.

I'll bet WN begins DAL-MHT service, in 6 more years, after the last of the WA finally dies.

That would be great for me.


User currently offlinePVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3413 posts, RR: 16
Reply 10, posted (6 years 9 months 4 days ago) and read 9818 times:



Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 9):
I'll bet WN begins DAL-MHT service, in 6 more years, after the last of the WA finally dies.

I'm sure PVD-DAL is in the cards as well (along with a bunch of other markets).

It has it's own thread, but I thought to mention here that DL Connection - Big Sky (BE1's) is pulling out of some NE markets on 1/7/08:

BOS to BGR and BTV

just outside of NE:

BOS to ISP, ALB, ABE, TTN, YFC, YQB


User currently offlineGeorgiabill From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 580 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 9 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 9800 times:
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Season greetings everyone and best wishes for a happy and prosperous 2008. Just curious has anyone heard how well the new Wn service between MHT and PHX is doing? Have flown twice to LAS since PHX non stop service began and loads were still good on MHT-LAS flights. Personally hoping the new airport manager can bring in another airline, perhaps Frontier for service to DEN or Airtran to offer mainline service from MHT to ATL . Has anyone flown or knows anyone who has flown on Skybus from Portsmouth yet? Just curious on how they are doing. As they have added or intend to add new service from Portsmouth to Florida and North Carolina (Greensboro) I believe. Good to see Iberia planning to go daily on their BOS to MAD service. Hopefully 2008 will see TAP return to Boston from LIS and perhaps a middleeastern carrier

User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (6 years 9 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 9796 times:

I was shocked to see PWM is up to 7 daily FedEx flights...!! A mix of 727's and A300's. I know LL Bean has a lot to do with that, but dang...!!! I remember when i lived there it was just 2 Cessna Caravans.


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User currently offlineJawake From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 284 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 9 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 9782 times:



Quoting Georgiabill (Reply 11):
Personally hoping the new airport manager can bring in another airline, perhaps Frontier for service to DEN or Airtran to offer mainline service from MHT to ATL .

I have emailed FL begging them to consider MHT, since DL rates are so high on ATL-MHT. I would also not rule out UA trying DEN-MHT. Who knows? Although F9 would be a nice addition to MHT.


User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8373 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (6 years 9 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 9782 times:



Quoting Georgiabill (Reply 11):
Hopefully 2008 will see TAP return to Boston from LIS and perhaps a middleeastern carrier

The rumor I heard was for 2009. It makes sense 'cause they will be doing some expansion in Africa in 2008 and are having trouble hiring enough pilots to keep up with demand on their intra-Europe market.


User currently offlineB752OS From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1322 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 9 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 9766 times:



Quoting Jawake (Reply 13):
I have emailed FL begging them to consider MHT, since DL rates are so high on ATL-MHT. I would also not rule out UA trying DEN-MHT. Who knows? Although F9 would be a nice addition to MHT.

I think F9 is the best bet for MHT to see DEN service. I also think PVD will see it before MHT does via F9. UA would probably start BDL-DEN first before any other New England stations.


User currently offlineKPWMSpotter From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 445 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (6 years 9 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 9747 times:



Quoting EMBQA (Reply 12):
I was shocked to see PWM is up to 7 daily FedEx flights...!! A mix of 727's and A300's. I know LL Bean has a lot to do with that, but dang...!!! I remember when i lived there it was just 2 Cessna Caravans.

There certainly is a lot of traffic for the holidays, but I expect it to die back down when the season passes. The normal day for PWM sees two 727s, or possibly a 727 and an A310. (as well as the usual 3 or 4 C208s heading up north). It's been an interesting few days though.



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User currently offlineJawake From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 284 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 9 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 9728 times:



Quoting B752OS (Reply 15):
UA would probably start BDL-DEN first before any other New England stations

I can see why that would make sense, and you might be right. But with F9 already doing that route, I wonder if they would look somewhere else, like PVD or MHT? Just a thought.


User currently offlineChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 4116 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (6 years 9 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 9705 times:

Seasons greetings everyone!

Much to talk about this time around, and thank you B752OS for doing the honors this time around.

Observations from the discussion points thus far:

Great to see PWM blast off, and they have! For years PWM has sort of lived in the shadows of MHT much the same way that MHT lived in the shadows of Logan. But the key thing is for PWM to support the new service they're getting. Clearly the community is doing just that, since AirTran went from announcing 'seasonal' service to going full-time on its routes to BWI and MCO. JetBlue, not to be left behind, launched their own point-to-point service to Orlando. Is there enough of a market to Orlando to support them both? You betcha!

Cargo is down this holiday season. The big guys said as much leading into it. Yes, we're getting our FedEx MD-10s and DC-10s and PWM is getting their A300s and A310s, but a quick comparison from this season to last season would suggest that overall lift across the FedEx and UPS networks is down. But if PWM had two widebodies on the ramp at any one time, I'd love to see a picture!

Northwest had a 757 divert to MHT last night from Detroit. It was supposed to ferry down to Boston this afternoon but as of this writing the plane is still here. Word from a ramper is that someone left the plane's APU running and bled a fuel tank dry (or something). But the plane is still here, doing nothing, at a time when NW would dearly love to get those seats into the air earning money.

Watch for FedEx to bring the MD-11 and 757 (!!) to Manchester in early '08 to test out the new heads-up display being built by a nearby technology company (believe Kollsman). They've already done the MD-10 over the course of a multi-day visit that had the big plane doing several interesting test flights in our area. Look for the same with the MD-11 and 757, the latter surely drawing interest from spotters.

Our new Airport Director is going to be tasked with jump-starting what has really been flat-lining business at MHT. I've been pleased to see relatively strong numbers here from mid-2007 onward. Our latest numbers trail only PWM and are very strong by any measure. Will we see a black number for all of 2007? Possibly, but a very strong November and December will help. I'm encouraged. BUT...what can an Airport Director really do? What can you expect in an industry where the players (still) aren't all that healthy? Can he attract a new carrier? New routes? I'd love to say 'Yes,' but my feeling is that if either of these things happen it won't necessarily be a result of who's in charge.

'Open Skies' bears watching in 2008. Is Boston enough of a tourist draw for Europeans that some new carriers will consider the value of flying to PVD or MHT? I hope so, but I'm not expecting so. MHT and PVD are to Boston what Sanford is to Orlando. But Orlando has Disney and Boston has, well, Quincy Market and the Wrentham Outlets. The 787 will eventually be an enabler for all sorts of new service, so whatever doesn't occur in 2008 might in 2009 or 2010. This means not only service to/from Europe, but the Asia service that Boston deserves but just can't support with today's mix of aircraft. Korean had to launch their 747-400s weight-restricted out of Logan, or stop at JFK/IAD first. The nice service died a relatively quick death, which to this day represents the only Boston-Asia passenger service ever.

Chris in NH

[Edited 2007-12-21 18:28:06]

User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8373 posts, RR: 10
Reply 19, posted (6 years 9 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 9680 times:



Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 18):
MHT and PVD are to Boston what Sanford is to Orlando. But Orlando has Disney and Boston has, well, Quincy Market and the Wrentham Outlets.

Hey, don't knock on Quincy Market. Did you know that Quincy Market/Fenuil Hall is the biggest tourist attraction in the US? More people visit Quincy Market than Disney World. Then again, I wonder if they consider Times Square a tourist attraction, and how many people pass through there on any given day?  Smile


User currently offlineChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 4116 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (6 years 9 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 9671 times:

Oh, I'm not knocking Quincy Market at all. In fact, I love the place! But I'm shocked that it out-draws Disney. I never would have guessed that. You can factually gauge the number of visitors at Disney through actual counts through the four theme parks. But there's really only a 'good guess' with respect to Quincy Market visitors since people can wander in and out without actually being 'counted.'

But again, I'm amazed that Quincy Market trumps Disney in terms of tourism. Not a disbeliever...just amazed.

Chris in NH


User currently offlineAfitch7881 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 816 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (6 years 9 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 9656 times:

Does anyone know if the NW BDL-AMS flight was canceled any during November? I am pretty sure it was canceled at least one day due to MX issues. Numbers for November aren't good, however November is by no means a big International travel month and this is the first month BDL hasn't had good numbers on the flight.


November 2007 Total passengers-

BDL- 540,933 (-1.91%)


NW International


October

BDL-AMS 3,918
AMS-BDL 3,818

Total- 7,736


November

BDL-AMS 2,704
AMS-BDL 2,985

Total- 5,689

[Edited 2007-12-21 20:31:07]

User currently offlineJawake From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 284 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 9 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 9618 times:



Quoting Airbazar (Reply 2):
On a related notes, take a look at this? Boston To Beijing flights looking up

Does any one else want to speculate that BOS may see Asian service in 2009? Grand China Airlines is based out of where? Curious where the BOS flight might connect in China. PEK? PVG?



Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 18):
'Open Skies' bears watching in 2008. Is Boston enough of a tourist draw for Europeans that some new carriers will consider the value of flying to PVD or MHT?

The old Airport Director at MHT was saying no, I wonder if that is still true.

Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 18):
MHT and PVD are to Boston what Sanford is to Orlando.

I am not sure that is a good comparison, not to be a nuicance. I am not certain there is a good comparison out there. MHT has a connection to Boston, but at the same time a connection to Northern New England. Sanford is on Orlando just like MCO.

My best shot would be a comparison between LAX & SNA or ONT.


User currently offlineILovePabst From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 102 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 9 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 9611 times:



Quoting Airbazar (Reply 19):
Hey, don't knock on Quincy Market. Did you know that Quincy Market/Fenuil Hall is the biggest tourist attraction in the US? More people visit Quincy Market than Disney World. Then again, I wonder if they consider Times Square a tourist attraction, and how many people pass through there on any given day?

I have heard this many times yet I think I have to call that urban myth. According to ForbesTraveler.com, Quincy Market doesn't even make the Top 50 Most Visited Tourist attractions.
Some of those in the top 10: Times Square, Disneyland, Niagara Falls, Fisherman's Wharf, Sea World Florida


User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8373 posts, RR: 10
Reply 24, posted (6 years 9 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 9610 times:



Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 20):
But again, I'm amazed that Quincy Market trumps Disney in terms of tourism. Not a disbeliever...just amazed.

Well, I'd take this with a grain of salt. I heard this from the Boston tourism board or something like that and I think the word they used was "visitors", not tourists. That could mean just about everyone who walks past there on any given day, including people like my wife who walks past it on her way to work and people like myself who lives in the suburbs and goes to visit on weekends. Having said that, BOS gets more international passengers than MCO and SFB combined.

Quoting Jawake (Reply 22):
Grand China Airlines is based out of where? Curious where the BOS flight might connect in China. PEK? PVG?

Grand China Air is the new name for Hainan Airlines, based on Hainan Island but I wouldn't expect to see Boston-Haikou non-stop service  Smile A lot of their flights are operated from PEK. It's worth noting that George Soros is their largest investor.


25 Jawake : Thanks Airbazar, so I will ask, who is George Soros?
26 Post contains links and images Airbazar : The rich guy who "run" for president in 2004   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Soros[Edited 2007-12-22 06:14:05]
27 Jawake : I was just reading that. Thanks. Does he have any connection to Boston? Is it his hope that the airline would expand to the States? Just trying to ge
28 Georgiabill : Season greetings all! I think BOS is more likely to see non stop service to Japan than China. I could be wrong, but at one time AA had plans to serve
29 Post contains images Airbazar : None that I know of other than his ties to the Democratic party and various liberal organizations But he is an Americna business man and has said he
30 KC135TopBoom : " target=_blank>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Soros Soros never ran for the US Presidentcy. He cannot run as he is not a US born citizen. But h
31 B752OS : Even considering Philadelphia, Boston is the largest market in the U.S. without non-stop service to Asia, I would also say it is bigger then Minneapo
32 Post contains images Airbazar : Which why I sarcastically typed "run" in quotes
33 AviationAddict : From the world of 9K: Our recently launched BOS-RUT route is doing pretty well with second highest load factors for the entire Northeast operation beh
34 Post contains images ChrisNH : The Northwest 757 that was stranded here in Manchester for two days finally departed on Saturday morning. Leaving empty for Boston, the plane used 23
35 Georgiabill : Season greetings to all! It is good to see that Jetblue and Airtran have sparked an increase of traffic at Portland. I am sure Jetblue is also having
36 AirPortugal310 : I have dual citizenship with Portugal, will they hire me to fly?! Sign this guy up. I'm good to go! Well well look who's back... you had better not c
37 Jawake : When thinking of new airlines at MHT, I have to admit I have only thought of F9 & FL, I figured AA is never going to be interested as well as B6. But
38 ChrisNH : One thing we haven't talked about is the variety of aircraft we'll see at MHT in conjunction with the New Hampshire Primary coming up next month. I do
39 WarRI1 : I was wondering if anyone could help me with some information about Logan, there was an article in the local newspaper in War. R.I that 757 aircraft h
40 Rcardinale : There is no question that 757's depart 9 and make it all the way to the west coast it happens everyday that runway is in use and i have personally see
41 ChrisNH : Any discussion about longer runways should be packaged in terms of safety, not 'need.' Besides, you won't win any argument with the local populace if
42 WarRI1 : I have to thank you for the help and that is exactly what I read in the local newspaper, now in the statewide newspaper, you will never hear this, th
43 WarRI1 : I certainly agree with your pound sand theory. I think you need to live here to understand the real motivation at work here. 1. The growing of the ai
44 ChrisNH : Well, PVD doesn't need more concrete than it already has. There's nothing that PVD can legitimately hope to get in the way of service that they can't
45 WarRI1 : I am not sure at this time, I know that there is a time frame for passenger traffic, at one time I think that it was 6:30 am to 12:30 am, I am not su
46 Jawake : So since we are talking about expansion, let me ask a really really really crazy question.... Could Boston Metro benefit from a New International Airp
47 WarRI1 : I guees it would be conveniant for that area, but I bet the existing airports would not like the idea one bit, and we all know that they are all tryi
48 ChrisNH : There is absolutely, positively NO appetite for a new airport in New England. None. Not with population trends that show people leaving the region bec
49 WarRI1 : I could not have said it better myself, Manchester threw a party and nobody came. That is one of my main reasons for objecting to the expansion, the
50 PVD757 : The runway in Quonset is only 334 feet longer (834 feet if they are allowed to use the displaced threashold for takeoff), and runs in a NW/SE wind di
51 WarRI1 : I was off by a half an hour,agreed, you work at the airport,agreed, I can imagine that people shrug it off because of the second part about the distr
52 PVD757 : well, we're all entitled to our opinions. I happen to think it is a lot less about powers that be and private money than you and more about operationa
53 Post contains images Airbazar : And where exactly would you put it? Show me that much available land between Boston and Springfield where aircraft landing and taking off don't have
54 Post contains links and images Airbazar : If you meet their requirements, sign up http://www.recrutamento.tap.pt/000001.jsp They predict that they will grow 20% in 2008 but that benckmark is
55 KC135TopBoom : MASSPORT could try to help open up PSM as a second Metro-Boston-Area international airport. That is north of BOS, in Portsmouth, NH. So, it may or ma
56 WarRI1 : I could not agree with you more on the whole subject of the airport expansion.
57 WarRI1 : I agree and that is what is wrong with this whole expansion, too many biased and competing interests, the funny part of this whole thing is that I ha
58 Airbazar : Are you serious? Without any traffic is nearly 2 hours from Springfield to PSM but you obviously have never driven on I-495 at rush hour or you would
59 AirPortugal310 : Thanks for the link. I shall check this out. AirBazar, I agree with you... After reading thread after thread after thread, I have concluded two thing
60 KC135TopBoom : I grew up in Lynn, MA, and lived for 10 years in Portsmouth, NH. Believe me, I know what traffic is like in the Boston area, esspeically I-90, I-95,
61 Lat41 : Hopefully we in Southern New England can someday soon lay the former NAS Quonset to rest. It has one suitable runway, unsophisticated navigational equ
62 KC135TopBoom : The only real hop for a new airport in southern New England is to close Otis ANGB and turn it into a new airport. That should not happen, the USCG, an
63 Post contains images Airbazar : Dude, I don't know what you're smoking but I want some There is no way that MHT/PSM are a better option to get to Lynn, than BOS. Not in a million ye
64 WarRI1 : I know that in R.I. we have a reputation for not wanting to drive very far, and if other airports are 25 miles or so in the distance, I think we coul
65 Post contains images AirPortugal310 : you people should not be driving period! HAHA Happy Holidays folks
66 GCT64 : As someone very distant from PVD (although I have been there once), it might be worth noting that BRS has a runway only 6598 ft long and that supports
67 AirPortugal310 : No not too bad. Lets not forget that years back, Air Luxor used to power their A330's off to Portugal in the middle of the summer. And knowing the wa
68 Post contains images KC135TopBoom : I didn't say my family still lives in Lynn (why would anyone want to live there now anyway, look it up in Wikipedia). I only grew up there, in the 19
69 AirPortugal310 : All I know of the NH Seacoast is Hampton Beach, but that would be reason enough to move there too. single handedly one of the better beaches in New E
70 Post contains images Airbazar : I won't discuss your taste but I live less than 30 minutes from the coast and I go to beach virtually every weekend from late June to September. Salt
71 ChrisNH : On January 2 my folks (who reside up in Kennebunkport) will drive down to Pease and then take a bus down to Logan to catch their JetBlue nonstop to Sa
72 KC135TopBoom : Since that is aboard a B6 A-320, in the winter, I'd look for a refueling stop in PHX for that BOS-SAN non-stop. I still think PSM is close enough to
73 Rcardinale : Actually the west bound flts have been going non stop most of the time. I think that the 6 seat reduction gave the plane that little bit fo weight re
74 Airbazar : There's a big difference in that comparison because JFK and EWR serve two very seperate and very large catchement areas. the only overlap is Manhatta
75 WarRI1 : I could not agree more about the driving, after a career driving on 95 on a regular basis. I also would like to thank you about the flight informatio
76 Post contains images AirPortugal310 : Ill agree that the water is generally pretty cold, even in summer. The boardwalk? C'mon! Its awesome nightlife that I have been enjoying since I was
77 WarRI1 : I have done some research, thanks to the above information from GCT64, whom I thank again. Continental Airlines offers service from Newark to Bristol
78 Cloudboy : Why do we even need another airport? Ours are hardly at capacity. Even Logan suffers more from inadequare facilities than because of too many planes.
79 B752OS : I would agree that additional airports are not needed. Logan is a prime example of an airport that needs an upgrade with some facilities and could de
80 AirPortugal310 : Hey no need to give respect...I like what I like...you like what you like....everyone's happy at the end of the day and thats what matters right? I am
81 Jawake : If you referring to my question about a new airport west of BOS, I was assuming that Logan would close or downsize severely. I was thinking of a whol
82 Lat41 : Prevailing winds, obstructions on either end of a given runway, whether there is frequent snow or sand on the pavement limiting traction, availabilit
83 ChrisNH : I do think that in many cases when we actually believe that a route cannot be served because of runway length, it actually can be served when we poke
84 Airbazar : I don't think Open skies will make much of a difference to New England. Open skies is all about LHR, NYC, and little else. There are few internationa
85 PVD757 : not to mention that this service uses the 757 - perhaps one of the best powered commercial aircraft ever built in terms of thrust to weight ratio...
86 Post contains images KC135TopBoom : Is the pile of rocks still there? It was ironic the old man of the mountain face slid down the mountain exactly 1 year after the New Hampshire state
87 WarRI1 : I will say this, that can be so, but lets see, the biggest hill we have in R.I is the landfill 10 or so miles away, we have the ocean, we are the Oce
88 Post contains images Curticool : Dover, NH (which less than half the people don't even know where it even is) has the New Hampshire children's museum formerly in Portsmouth PSE should
89 Lat41 : The obstructions one speaks of in terms of a runway approach or departure also include trees, sometimes that are not topped regularly, buildings, cell
90 KC135TopBoom : New England and the Boston area is growing like weeds in Texas in the springtime. It takes over a decade to plan, then build a new airport. If Boston
91 Airbazar : Now ask yourself this: How hot does it get at BRS in the Summer months? I guarantee you not nearly as hot and humid as PVD.
92 WarRI1 : I am sorry, but that is the nature of the forum as far as I can tell, there are all kinds of statistics , one cannot let an airport take over the wel
93 Lat41 : The 757-200 is a very high performance aircraft but is ONE type. International fares are much higher and the profit margin is greater and Bristol may
94 WarRI1 : That I cannot answer, but I think that Boston has basically the same weather as Prov, so if Logan can dispatch flights to the West Coast by 757 on a
95 Airbazar : Except BOS also has 2 10,000+ft runways that can be used is needed and PVD doesn't. So what do you do? Tell the airlines that during the busy months
96 WarRI1 : I still do not hear any clamoring from any airlines to justify the spending of 500 million more taxpayers dollars, the exact opposite has been said,
97 KC135TopBoom : I did not realize the runways at PVD were so short. Does the airport own enough land to extend them to 10,000'+? If not, PVD will have to become a sec
98 ChrisNH : OK...here's an observation. In this 'New England Aviation' thread we've talked about Boston, Manchester, Providence, Pease, Portland, a bit about Brad
99 LH423 : I loved it when I lived there and people would refer to Warwick as being "far". Amen! Feck Rhode Islanders can't drive. True. New England is the poor
100 RL757PVD : Where do I begin with your misguided education.... like many folks in Warwick unfortunatlely..... #1 NO.. i repeat NO general tax payer money goes to
101 Airbazar : So not true. I go to the Alps almost every year. It's a lot cheaper to ski in the Alps than it is to ski in New England. You can't find a crappy old
102 Post contains links LH423 : Ah, but you're wrong. Trust me, I used to work for BA. BA and Virgin Holidays do a bustling business selling ski packages to New England. Usually, ai
103 Post contains links Eyes2thesky : Well, I can say a few things, but nothing earth-shaking: The B6 nonstop to Orlando officially starts on Jan. 10th. FX briefly added a daily Mountain
104 Pwm2txlhopper : There are no F-15's at Bangor. Only ME ANG KC-135's. There haven't been fighters there since it was Dow AFB in the 1960's.
105 WarRI1 : Ok, I will admit that maybe, I am not the bestspeaker on this subject. I do know that I am not alone in the antiexpansion movement and let us not for
106 Post contains images Eyes2thesky : Ya, I screwed up. Just making sure everyone's paying attention ---- Also noticed that UA has been substituting an A320 for the A319 on the daily BTV-
107 Post contains images Airbazar : Maybe next time I run into one of these guys on the slopes I should try to sell them a bridge As an avid skier myself I just can't fathom a reason wh
108 Dvincent : This combined with the exodus of the A10s from both BAF and BDL... Are there any air bases in New York state that can pick up the slack?
109 RL757PVD : Ok where do i begin.... Some flights during the summer time are weight restricted, depending on the aircraft type and destination. Southwests PHX and
110 Dvincent : Let's not forget that PVD HAD a parallel runway at one point (what is now Taxiway victor used to be 5L/23R). It's not the question of whether they ca
111 John : Even if 5L/23R at PVD were re-activated/expanded/widened to allow commercial ops, the 2 runways would not be spaced far enough apart to allow simultan
112 B752OS : Call me crazy, but I don't think the Providence economy is killed or hurt by lack of air service for the simple fact that BOS offers non-stop to almo
113 KC135TopBoom : You are correct, I don't think anyone has mentioned BTV. I doubt the FAA would assist in funding airport improvements at BTV, since the now closed Pl
114 PVD757 : A key point that was just made: The consultants RIAC hired are following the FAA guidelines set forth in the master planning process. There is no hidd
115 Lat41 : Though the New England Economy is in many ways tied to or led by Boston, We in Southern New England in the PVD area are not BOS. This the 35th larges
116 Eyes2thesky : The NY Air Guard has F16s in Syracuse, but I think their primary mission is close air support, not air defense. Although after 9-11 they temporarily
117 WarRI1 : On that point, I am more than painfully aware, so I guess my saying that it is a possibility was not that far off. I would also point out that the ca
118 WarRI1 : That is well said as far as the need for PVD to compete against Logan, how much do we need?, where does the quality of life issues come in this argum
119 ChrisNH : I have been quite interested to see the level of activity at Bedford/Hanscom. If you check FlightAware you will see, from time to time, 737s (a mix of
120 Post contains images LH423 : I'm certainly not going to argue that one. But also a lot of the people that come here have already done the Alps. They want something different but
121 RL757PVD : The FAA will not even consider a parallel runway until an airport approaches its capacity. The FAA guidelines (again NOT RIAC's agenda!) are: 60% of
122 KC135TopBoom : If the PVD area is #35 in the US, how can it compete with #5 area, BOS?
123 KPWMSpotter : Kind of off of the current topic, but something interesting I came across today: US Airways is launching a flight from MHT-BOS. Starting February 11th
124 PVD757 : I think it's a SAT only flight...
125 DALMD88 : I never pay that much. I can get a bus ride and a lift ticket from downtown or the suburbs for $72. They go every Weds, Sat, Sun. This Weds. I think
126 PVD757 : my goof - it is showing SAT only in April - daily in FEB/MAR
127 ROSWELL41 : BDL seems to be growing fast. Enough with the talk about PVD, BDL is the 2nd largest airport in New England and should be the topic of this discussion
128 WarRI1 : You are right and I know that I am content with Bradley being and staying the # 2 airport in the area.
129 Georgiabill : MHT has room to expand with services. I think a DFW twice daily and a mid afternoon departure from MHT to MIA would work
130 B752OS : I highly doubt MHT will see DFW and MIA before PVD does. (PVD once had DFW service). The O&D to South Florida from PVD is almost 3 times that of MHT,
131 Lat41 : It's not a competition or a race. How naive to regard it in that way. The point was that as the nation's 35th largest metro area, we can support many
132 KC135TopBoom : Dow AFB, ME was only open from 1961 to 1965, and IIRC it was a SAC base, with B-47s and KC-97s (hence the 300' wide runway for B-52s). I don't rememb
133 Post contains links Eyes2thesky : It's surprisingly difficult to find a clear answer to this question with a google search. But from what's out there, it seems that fighters were perm
134 KC135TopBoom : Then why doesn't PVD expand? My point was, at #35, there isn't enough economic incentive to expand your airport. Before the 101st AREFW (then a TFG)
135 WarRI1 : Not a competition or a race? the statement,( we have to compete) has been used many times by people involved with the pro-expansion lobby about the r
136 RL757PVD : Total misuse of the intended context by the uneducated..... PVD does NOT compete with MHT nor BDL. People will use the airport that is convenient to
137 Georgiabill : Just curious does PVD have charter flights operating to the Carribean or Mexico? Is Spirit still flying from PVD to DTW and FLL? MHT needs to try to g
138 KC135TopBoom : Those types of Charters are set up by travel agencies. They are the ones that select the departure airport.
139 PVD757 : no, no, and no. Charter activity in general at most airports is down from the numbers I've seen.
140 KC135TopBoom : That is true here at DFW, except for the 1X or 2X daily US Military R&R Charters. Most people don't want ot go where those TZ jets are going.
141 WarRI1 : I suggest that you start reading the local newspapers about the use of the word competitive in relation to PVD and the need for expansion, this so ca
142 BOStonsox : Hi everyone! This is my first post on a.net and I think this thread would be the best place to start since I'm from the area (as if my username wasn't
143 WarRI1 : Welcome, I am sure you will find it interesting about all air related items and some not air related.
144 ChrisNH : There won't be any 'avalanche' of transatlantic service with Open Skies, and even long-term our region will probably yield a very small handful of fli
145 WarRI1 : Please, please I insist that you foks take from PVD any claims of being ahead of Boston or equal to them and are welcome to any growth that may put y
146 BAGoldEx : While obviously not a trustworthy source, Wikipedia has TAP listed as taking over SATA's routes to Boston and Toronto. Is there any truth to this?
147 ChrisNH : You insist? I think there's a bunch of intelligent, thoughtful people here who are discussing these issues rationally. I don't think I'd dare come on
148 RL757PVD : You cant seriously expect people from PVD to drive to MHT to catch a flight? Rhode Islanders dont even want to drive more than 30 min to get to a sho
149 RL757PVD : Im done dealing with close minded individuals such as yourself, and its a reason why i dont plan on moving back to Rhode Island as much as i like to
150 Post contains images Bostonsox : Alright, let's make this #150 and the 1st Official New England Aviation Thread! I don't see where on wikipedia it says that. But I think since they a
151 Post contains images Airbazar : I totaly agree. I can think of only 1 airline that is missing from our area that could survive the TA market: TAP. I really don't see much more deman
152 Post contains links LH423 : It shows up in the destinations page. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TAP_Portugal_destinations LH423
153 WarRI1 : I am at a lose, and that is not easy for me to know how to answer that ?????? I am not speaking in a foreign tongue am I about the airports? Once aga
154 WarRI1 : The truth of the matter is that nobody can predict the traffic in and out of PVD in the next year, never mind 20 years from now. With the state of th
155 RKDflier : A question. Do you think we'll see a return of service between Maine and Canada? With the Canadian dollar stronger, Maine saw a major increase of Cana
156 P3Orion : I always thought PWM-YUL and PWM-YHZ on Beech 1900's would do well.
157 WarRI1 : I do not expect them to drive up there, they can just drive to PVD and catch a connecting flight like I just did to LHR in Nov. I rather enjoyed it m
158 BOStonsox : Come to think of it, doesn't PVD already have the infrastructure needed for European flights? What happens when a flight arrives from the Azores? I th
159 Eyes2thesky : You say "return" of service. What was the original service? Just curious.
160 BAGoldEx : I could see Glasgow and Manchester working year round with something like 5-6 weekly during the summer and 4-5 in winter with an acceptable premium p
161 Georgiabill : Personally I think both MHT and PVD have growth potential. Will it ever reach or exceed the dreams of A Netters, probably not. However as aviation ent
162 LH423 : What about EK or EY? Everyone's so focused on an East Asia route but EK and EY are growing at an incredible rate. They have to send those planes somew
163 KPWMSpotter : Air Nova (and for a short time, Air Canada Jazz after they merged) served PWM with Dash 8s (I think) through the mid 1990's. Talk of Air Canada has b
164 Pwm2txlhopper : Actually, they flew B-1900's to PWM from YUL, and this was around 1998-2000
165 Eyes2thesky : So I'm guessing it was PWM-Halifax. Would've been fun to see the ramp at PWM back in the '90s, with the Air Nova Dash8's and the Delta 757s. In anoth
166 BAGoldEx : Those two kind of slipped my mind. If either of them were to happen, I would bet on Emirates in 2012-2013 after JFK, IAH, LAX, SFO and IAD.
167 PWM2TXLHopper : Nope, there was never any service to Halifax from PWM, at least not with Air Nova/Air Canada. There was never any Dash-8's with them at PWM either. J
168 KC135TopBoom : Welcome to a.net. But, in aviation, we use nautical miles (6076'), or kilometers (1000m), as opposed to satute miles (5280'). So, if you don't mind,
169 Airbazar : So what options do *A FFs have? That was my point. US has a huge base in New England and even UA has a decent FF presence here. I think a *A carrier
170 ChrisNH : The fact is irrefutable: an extended runway does not mean more service and more noise. Anti-airport folks love to play that card, but here in Manches
171 AirPortugal310 : Which makes it more than ***cue the church choir*** POINTLESS!
172 RL757PVD : Actually no...PVD would never reach the volume to require simultaenous ILS approaches, heck even EWR doesnt have that capability! There is enough roo
173 Post contains links Eyes2thesky : According to this Portland Press Herald story "Halifax, Nova Scotia, airport exec hopes to restart service to Portland, Maine", there was PWM-Halifax
174 KPWMSpotter : Interesting article...I hadn't seen that before. I was always under the impression that service would be the same B1900s that MHT sees to YYZ, or pos
175 ChrisNH : Yes, and I flew aboard some of them (a UA 733 that went ORD-PWM-MHT before filling up again and going back to O'Hare; and MHT-BTV-ORD). I also flew a
176 Georgiabill : At one point Precision Airlines was operating Northwest Airlink service with Dorniers and later Saabs I believe.
177 Post contains images KC135TopBoom : Let's bring back Freddie Laker DC-10s and fly them from PVD to LHR.
178 DALMD88 : Northeast Express operated Metro's under the Northwest Airlink name.
179 MAH4546 : IB is not going daily to Logan. In fact it will be a triangle route with Washington during party of winter and will be reduced by one weekly flight th
180 BOStonsox : Actually, Delta is looking into starting transatlantic service. I couldn't find the source and I will look harder for it, I don't have time to now but
181 Post contains images ChrisNH : Delta thinking of starting transatlantic from Boston (again)? That ought to result in another 20 messages that boosts this thread to the highly exalte
182 RL757PVD : PVD has a full service FIS facility within the terminal capable of processing 200 passengers per hour (and is expandable). It is located on the first
183 WarRI1 : I am not making the predictions here, RIAC and the engineers are, what part don't you understand, we have an airport in the middle of a city, basical
184 WarRI1 : I want to touch on the subject of the vastly improved traffic movement in the city of Warwick also. Airport Road is a straight as an arrow cross cut
185 Post contains links and images PWM2TXLHopper : That would have been Northeast Express Regional Airlines, flying as Northwest Airlink in the Northeast part of the country. They connected smaller ci
186 Airbazar : I'd put LIS, MAN and even CDG ahead of Moscow and Stockholm.
187 BOStonsox : I read that Delta was interested in starting transatlantic flights from BOS a few months ago. So it was two years from then. If AA drops their seasona
188 RL757PVD : Thats a problem with the state... even as we stand here today airport road will be inact for at least the next 4-5 years...airport road had been in b
189 BOStonsox : Just for a moment I want to focus a bit on MHT. I've never been there but if population has anything to say with how many flights an airport can suppo
190 RL757PVD : The current airport sizes are pretty close to portportion with relation to MHT PVD and BDL. MSA size: Providence 1,612,989 Hartford 1,188,841 Springf
191 WarRI1 : I certainly will not argue who is at fault here, this whole thing with the expansion was a dead issue until our now elected Governor revived the expa
192 RL757PVD : The need for the expansion was identified in the Airport Master Plan done in 2000-2002 Yes/no the FAA has set a deadline for the Runway Safety Area c
193 B752OS : Please cite your source. IB was part of a record number of international traffic this summer. People in here have mentioned this route will be cut se
194 MAH4546 : For obvious reasons, I'm not going to cite a source. The loads on the route are fine. Just because IB was part of a "record summer" (a claim, not hav
195 PVD757 : but a few posts ago, you ranted on how RI businesses don't need the airport and will use teleconferencing, etc. What bugs me about your position bein
196 WarRI1 : Well, first off, I see a difference of opinion here, are we in a competition or not? I stated earlier that one of the most overused statements in reg
197 RL757PVD : There is a difference in competition (with other airports) and being competitive (having the facilities at PVD) I dont see why that is so hard to com
198 PVD757 : "JFK" is a movie (starring Kevin Kostner) that offers a pretty good opinion on the conspiracy theories behind John F. Kennedy's assassination. All air
199 B752OS : Atlanta region and the New England region are like apples and oranges. Down in the Southeast, Atlanta is the only major city, or city with a populati
200 RL757PVD : Well the point wasnt to compare Atlanta to New England, but rather show the economic impact that an airport can have. the city would not be thriving
201 KC135TopBoom : As with all movies, it has a healthy dose of "Hollywoodism". In the case of JFK (and many other movies) there is a trend to re-write history. There a
202 PVD757 : thats why I worded my response the way I did!
203 WarRI1 : I could not agree with you more, You have put it as good as it can be stated, that is the way we look at the situation in Warwick, we are more than s
204 WarRI1 : Ok, let us agree to disagree, we will follow the next steps on PVD and the proposed expansion. If I see anything of interest, I will put in the forum
205 DALMD88 : I haven't heard any new rumors. The last offical thing I personally heard was at our coming out of Chpt 11 cheerleading session in ATL. There was a Q
206 WarRI1 : Might I ask, what a super tug is?
207 B752OS : It would be nice if DL were to start some TATL ops at BOS w/ 752s SNN, MAN, BRU, MXP would be nice routes. BOS and the New England area itself genera
208 ChrisNH : I'm a bit surprised that MHT had a relative surge in numbers in the 2nd half at about the same time PWM did. One might correlate a PWM spike with a MH
209 Rcardinale : Hopefully DL will add some T/A flights in the future on their 757's like MAN BRU and maybe TXL. What about a 757 DKR flight? There probably would be a
210 B752OS : I don't think BOS will see service to DKR any time soon, at least not in the next 5-6 years. Africa as a market is still in the early stages of growt
211 Post contains images ChrisNH : 100% agreed. Besides, there's a whole list of cities more deserving to be connected with Boston that aren't. I personally think there's still too muc
212 Lat41 : The silence may well be a result of carriers not wanting to get involved in the political circus that is Warwick RI. Previously one or more freight c
213 Afitch7881 : How is it anymore convenient? Not like people are connecting at PVD or BDL (well at least not many, NW is routing some through BDL). The plan with BD
214 WarRI1 : Let us say, that anything is possible in this little State with so many hidden agendas. I do not recall that in any news releases. I know that one of
215 RL757PVD : The FIS Exit is in the baggage claim lobby directly adjacent to all of the main terminal amenities such as food court, rental cars, hotel shuttles, p
216 RL757PVD : #1) the relocated cargo building/apron was public information since 2002 as part of the master plan which is a public document. Not to mention the di
217 PVD757 : freight is indeed extremely constrained at PVD due to both lack of ramp space and support facilities. The numbers you speak of are probably "operatio
218 WarRI1 : Thanks for that information, I could not find any relatively new information on anything that I tried, it all seemed to be like you said about 2001.
219 Post contains links and images DALMD88 : It is a towbarless aircraft tug View Large View MediumPhoto © Gregg Stansbery They can move faster than one with a tow bar. So for long movments
220 Post contains links RL757PVD : An aiprort master plan covers 20 years into the future and are typically updated every 10 years, so the master plan done in 2002-3 is the most curren
221 BOStonsox : I'll do my best to find that source. I think it might have been in Travel New England, which is the monthly newspaper that they give away for free at
222 PVD757 : you live next to an airport, what do you expect. PVD has been exactly where it is now (as an intrusion?????) since the 1930's.
223 WarRI1 : Let me put it this way then, the frequency of the intrusions is getting a little a little more frequent. The larger the aircraft, the larger the intr
224 WarRI1 : In an article dated May 22 in the local newsapaper, not the Beacon titled ( Airport must spread it's wings) I find it interesting that one of the poi
225 Jetboy319 : Forgive me if this has already been posted somewhere in this thread.... I found this quite interesting when I read it in a copy of Travel New England
226 Afitch7881 : BDL does not have any rental car counters at the airport. As for PVD having concessions for the FIS, I dont think many people care to hang around the
227 WarRI1 : In an article in the Prov Journal dated Dec. 11, 2007 titled (FAA grounds Mayors plans) These facts are in the article (Projo is pro growth.) The sho
228 WarRI1 : In todays Prov. Journal they have a story about The Chamber of Commerce paying for a study to be made for them and one of the reasons quoted was the
229 RL757PVD : Thats a obvious typo... thats probably PVD's enplanements only for Oct, total pax were well above 400K
230 RL757PVD : Thats one of the dumbest statements ive ever heard... you can have a lear 24 that sounds like a figher jet on takeoff but is only 12,000 lbs or you c
231 RL757PVD : Im not saying BDL's isnt convenient, but picture of the FIS facility was located at the 1st gate on the new concourse and it exited directly adjacent
232 PVD757 : Travel New England used PVD's enplanements only (again) in their little table they print instead of using the airport's TOTAL passenger traffic like
233 PVD757 : not to mention that number of scheduled passenger operations hasn't actually grown that much since the new terminal opened in 1996. There were 80-90
234 PVD757 : yes, but 2005 was the highest year at PVD EVER had. You are comparing the absolute to what is todays numbers. I'd look at a 5 or even 10 year average
235 WarRI1 : Just try reading the article, see if the newspaper is wrong, that is what I read, I said what the newspaper said in another post, the airport does no
236 WarRI1 : Obviously, that is why projections are somewhat dubious as far as accuracy goes, again wishful thinking on the part of the beaureaucrats. Pie in the
237 WarRI1 : Trust me my fellow A Netter, I am someone who has watched more planes, listened to more planes and breathed more fumes from those planes than you pro
238 WarRI1 : More information, Warwick Beacon Letters to the Editor Dec.13, 2007 Titled Paper plane to justify longer runway. RIAC used the 737-500 paired with en
239 RL757PVD : Then what makes PVD's case worse than the 50+ busier airports in the US... 20-30 of which have more people living around the airport than PVD. I know
240 RL757PVD : Again your blame is NOT with RIAC... the consultant who prepared the list and selected the aircraft screwed up and RIAC had the planes rightfully rem
241 RL757PVD : Send me a link to the article. Trust me i know how the FAA works and spends their money, as well as airport requirements for accepting federal money.
242 WarRI1 : Yes, time will tell, there is no doubt about that. That is the good part about this forum, that we are learning more each day and it is good to hear
243 WarRI1 : [quote=RL757PVD,reply=241]Send me a link to the article. I will send a link to the article. I have to look it up.
244 RL757PVD : The thing is that the longer runway isnt going to change the number of aircraft flying over your head. That is probably the #1 misconception. Bigger
245 BOStonsox : So with the 787 coming there will be new opportunities for BOS. I saw today that because Hainan wasn't awarded the route it won't start service here u
246 B752OS : Sadly BOS will have wait until 2010 for China flights, there is however the possibility of NRT service, but we'll have to wait and see. Brazil would
247 Lat41 : In addition, a longer runway can actually lead to quieter operation as landing jets with more room to roll out dont have to blast the reverse thrust
248 WarRI1 : We people in Warwick, being meek and mild prefer the term grossly exagerrated about the information from RIAC.
249 WarRI1 : Do you have access to ProQuest?, the Journal is tough, they want you to join the site and accept email ads and pay for the information. If you can us
250 WarRI1 : I have another idea, if you or anyone you know belongs to the Warwick Public Library, go on their site, click on Find Book, put in member number and
251 RL757PVD : you have actually yet to come up with misinformation from RIAC. Everything you claim to be BS from RIAC has been infact something from the FAA, State
252 WarRI1 : I guess that because RIAC makes the announcements in the R.I. paper about what is happening with the expansion and their spokespeople are also always
253 MAH4546 : A 767-300ER is perfectly capable of taking off from Logan to Brazil. There are no Brazil flights because business traffic is non-existent. Boston-Bra
254 Airbazar : I read the same article you did and even posted a link here which for the life of me I can't find it. It was stated by one of Delta's top guys here i
255 LipeGIG : Mark, and be in mind that Brazilian population in BOS is facing reduction because of the environment for illegals as well as the valuation of Brazili
256 RL757PVD : Its the industry that keeps changing, not RIAC. Aviation is probably the most fluid industry out there with so many outside factors that influence de
257 WarRI1 : I just wanted to let you know that the real champions of mis-information when it comes to business affairs is at it again, this mornings journal (Sun
258 BOStonsox : I wonder if there will be any BOS-Brazil flights when the 787 comes out. Actually I wonder what other routes we'll see when that plane comes out. I th
259 B752OS : Even with the 787, I doubt BOS will see Brazil service in near future. No carrier who would even offer the service has ordered the 787. It would be n
260 MAH4546 : Yes, they have. And just like the U.S. has distributed all U.S.-China routes between now and 2009 to U.S. airlines, so has China to all Chinese airli
261 RL757PVD : Well ive done all i can do, and tried to show you FACTS (something you havent been able to provide) But it sounds like you need a hobby. Politics are
262 WarRI1 : Well, that is what debates are all about, opinions and facts, you have given opinions and facts, and I have given you facts and my opinion about the
263 LH423 : Won't happen, unfortunately. As others have explained, there's definitely the traffic, but not the kind of traffic needed to make a long route like B
264 MAH4546 : Israeli communities drive Israel flights, not Jewish populations. While El Al's three U.S. destinations - NYC, Miami, and LA - happen to be the three
265 Airbazar : Not necessarily. What killed the BOS-Brazil flight which at one time was about to start was 9/11 and the greater scrutiny on immigration policy. Unfo
266 B752OS : TLV would be nice, but there are other routes that could be more beneficial to Boston, namely Asia. That would really be a win win if 9W ever started
267 WarRI1 : I am amazed, that the Providence Journal actually published a letter to the editor that was critical about the runway expansion in PVD, I find that am
268 LH423 : True. VG announced it. I just think it's too marginal a route to be sustained in the short term. Maybe the day that visa restrictions are loosened an
269 Post contains images ChrisNH : Well, I'd like to see if we can hit 300 posts in this thread... Anyway, I read that Alitalia will be switching to Rome from Milan on its Boston flight
270 Post contains images Airbazar : IIRC, BOS-MXP is actually more profitable than BOS-FCO so if AZ drops the route I would definitely see either DL or NW jumping on it in the blink of
271 B752OS : AA sure won't jump on it (BOS-MXP) I would assume they would rather beef up JFK-Europe or start ORD-MXP instead. Someone rumored in a thread a short
272 Airbazar : I thought about that but a couple of things came to mind: I suspect the 752 is just too small for this route, and does NW have any available 752's to
273 BOStonsox : You know, I wondered why Alitalia didn't keep BOS-MXP going, especially for the connections. It is in a better location than FCO is for that. However,
274 B752OS : AZ essentially kept their most profitable stations from MXP intact and as a move to simplify the company decided on a one hub operation. I will imagi
275 Georgiabill : With WN announcing a daily MHT-FLL is a new non stop destination from MHT. However I think there is room for additonal services DEN being one! I think
276 MAH4546 : It's not. The Rome flight has been the better performer. In fact, the primary reason for the Rome flight was to make the Boston station a stronger pe
277 Airbazar : I remember a few years ago, AZ eliminated BOS-FCO and routed it BOS-MXP-FCO because MXP is predominantly business (and higher yields although lower l
278 MAH4546 : BOS-FCO is the stronger performer as of is largely O&D traffic while the Milan flight relies on connections. There isn't much business traffic between
279 Airbazar : If that is indeed the case I wonder why because Milan is hte industrial and business capital of Italy. For virtually every one else, Milan is where t
280 WarRI1 : Today in the Prov. Journal (Projo.com) Biz blog Jan. 10 The Mayor of Warwick has sent a letter to the FAA in response to the FAA dismissing the sugge
281 Post contains links and images RL757PVD : In todays beacon http://warwickonline.com/warwickonli...ntent&task=view&id=35511&Itemid=35 I have a feeling that more than one person involved in this
282 Post contains images RL757PVD : Interesting how even the mayor of Warwick sees the need for over 1,000 ft of additional runway
283 WarRI1 : I am glad that you now realize that the Warwick Beacon is not so one sided after all on the airport issue. The extra length of the runway has never b
284 WarRI1 : Oh, by the way I will have to look up Mr. Amoroso and shake his hand about his position on the runway expansion, I feel a real close bond with a fell
285 WarRI1 : I just went upstairs and read the letter from Mr. Webb in the Beacon about the airport expansion and I was wondering, can anyone tell me where Harris
286 MAH4546 : It's very true, but business ties between the U.S./Canada and northern Italy have always been somewhat weak. One reason might be because many of Ital
287 LIPZ : Well, SQ sends their best (77W) to Milan also probably because the route is extended to Barcelona, so not all the capacity is allocated just to Milan
288 Post contains images RL757PVD : Well some technical info for the article came from Atlanta, Georgia Doesn't make it any less factual!
289 WarRI1 : Here is some factual information from the PJ and RIAC (Green pushs on through slump) Dec.9, 2007 Airport passenger count down 9% lowest ridership sin
290 RL757PVD : Happening at DOZENS of airports, PVD's costs are still in the middle of the pack Not true, since Southwest had to agree and sign off on the bond issu
291 Post contains images RL757PVD : I know a said the debate was over, but as long as you keep upheaving missinformation, ill be here to set the record straight
292 Post contains links RL757PVD : Here's some reading material on things that require a strong airport... good luck achiving goals or numbers stated in each article by keeping the airp
293 B752OS : A side note regarding the Summer European ops from BOS. Looks like LH is going to be bringing the 346 to BOS on a daily basis. LH423 will be a daily 3
294 LH423 : LH keep changing their schedule. Originally it was supposed to be 11x 343 with 3x 744 on the FRA route and a daily 333 to MUC, then it became 14x 343
295 Post contains images ChrisNH : Isn't that a downgrade for LH during the summer? Don't they usually use the 744 here then? Also: What's going on with Swiss? Is FlyGlobeSpan still op
296 B752OS : Looks like LX is keeping the same schedule as usual, daily 332 BOS-ZRH service. I checked the flyglobespan website and it looks like BOS and JFK will
297 BAGoldEx : This part has been interesting. A week ago, I booked a flight for July to Zurich and back. One segment was going to be a 330 and the other a 340. Now
298 Airbazar : That depends. Their A346's have more Y seats than the 744 so it's an increase in capacity for Y class which makes sense for the predominantly leisure
299 MAH4546 : BOS-ZRH was supposed to be upgraded to an A340 in April. Looks like it will stay an A330 through the first half of summer, and then be an A330/340 mi
300 BOStonsox : We're getting to 300! Anyway, when it comes to LH we are the only US city in their network with seasonal service to MUC. I wonder if this will go year
301 MAH4546 : The Lufthansa/JetBlue deal has nothing to do with codesharing or passenger feeding. Trust me, Lufthansa's Boston operations don't need any feed from
302 BOStonsox : That's too bad, but then again, they were so bad I don't think they will be missed much. Still, Someone has to fill the BOS-NOC-GLA route. B6 would b
303 B752OS : I agree. I don't see LHR sending traffic on B6 like they do with UA and US. I figured they didn't. There fares were peanuts compared to VS, EI, BA, e
304 Georgiabill : Hopefully American will start BOS-MAN again. As I have flown it on several occasions and the loads were good! Not sure if they were profitable. Howeve
305 WarRI1 : I am afraid that you are an apologist for the RIAC gang, everything I quoted in the post was from the Journal Bulletin and quotes from RIAC, try read
306 CX288 : It will be 2-class service on the 340-600. All FRA-based 346 are two class only, while the MUC-based 346 have 3 classes. Both the later FRA-flight an
307 Post contains links and images ChrisNH : I wonder whether hints at a U.S. recession have the European carriers scaling back with respect to summer lift? Just a forward-thinking hunch on my pa
308 BAGoldEx : Do you have any link to a source? This is quite possibly the best thing I've seen on the entire 300+ post thread.
309 ChrisNH : I went to the PrivatAir web site and nothing is mentioned in their press release site. With Boston and Munich being relatively powerful financial cen
310 RL757PVD : Because the runway isnt being built for anything in the short term view (because it wont even be done by then) and thats really all the airlines are
311 WarRI1 : Prov. J Jan.4 2008 (Chamber working on new marketing Plan) I "quote" College grads racing for the R.I border. Need to create more companies and jobs.
312 WarRI1 : PJ. Jan.12 2008 (R.I needs ramped up airport) I "quote" spending your way to success rarely works. shopping facilities are only passenger convenience
313 RL757PVD : That is where you are wrong. Any non aviation economist will be prove the HUGE economic impact that PVD has annually. Remove PVD and this is what hap
314 PVD757 : relatively small????? over 5 million annual passengers and thousands of jobs related to airport activity would disagree with the 300 some-odd houses
315 WarRI1 : Bulldinky, they are not leaving and nobody has suggested the airport being closed, not even I. I fly out of there and have for more years than you ha
316 Jawake : So so true. Talk talk talk, speculations, speculations, speculation.........we will not know until we see something in a Press Release. If it happens
317 MAH4546 : BOS-MAN is a low-yielding and very seasonal market. SQ does not have the aircraft needed to make it work. AA had the perfect aircraft to make it work
318 Post contains images ChrisNH : He could be 98 years old. You never know.
319 Post contains images WarRI1 : I think from what I see on your age info, you are not all that far behind me. My first flight out of Green was in 1956.
320 Post contains images Airbazar : A NW/DL merger would be a dream come true for Massport. They could finally get NW out of terminal E Not until they get more airplanes and even then I
321 PVD757 : you engaged a pro-aviation forum filled with consultants, airport/airline/aviation employees, and engineers and you are clearly against something man
322 Jawake : BTW - Attention MHT Spotters! UA is flying the 757 into MHT on Sat Night and turning around Sunday Morning. For the Ski Season.
323 ChrisNH : That is indeed the case, and something new for United here in Manchester. Good find! Chris / MHT
324 WarRI1 : I find that rather amusing, do you think for one second that I am that naive about the folks on this forum, that you have to tell me. It seems that y
325 Post contains images RL757PVD : Simply put, if the airport cant actually, most of that was me Im more abrasive than he is when it comes to people with closed minds Note the differenc
326 WarRI1 : Ok, maybe that answers something, without looking back , are you the guy in Harrisville, or Atlanta? what are you guys, the bobsie twins of the airpo
327 WarRI1 : I just had another thought , which one of you is the guy who might be friendly with the company who bought up the land near the airport? I also see a
328 Jawake : Given all the love on the New England Avaition Forum....... Do you guys ever see a face to face get together? A planned spotting trip? Just Curious. I
329 Post contains images ChrisNH : The funny irony is that if you were to choose a central geographic point for us to meet, it would probably be at the Worcester Airport...very likely
330 WarRI1 : I guess that answers the question, PVD 757 works for RIAC and RL757PVD is in Atlanta. You guys are the Bobsie twins and you talk like them. I think j
331 WarRI1 : I think that in the USA that is called ( Eminent Domain) the power of the state to take private property for public use and give compensation) I know
332 RL757PVD : Im the one from Atlanta who works with airport planning and design projects, which is why ive been able to shed real life insight into the process. T
333 PVD757 : not everyone who works at the airport works for RIAC.
334 RL757PVD : Thats the understatement of the century. About how many people are employed directly at the airport these days? I also wonder about how many of those
335 WarRI1 : I was able to come to that conclusion after I thought to look up the information on your personal information page. I have to think that PVD 757 work
336 WarRI1 : I think I had that figured right, If my new letter to the editor at the beacon gets printed, your friend in Harrisville will tell you that I said as
337 WarRI1 : I would think there will be less after the airport takes their house, if the airport gets to take their houses. I think a court may decide that.
338 RL757PVD : This is an endless/pointless banter now... suggest the mods lock it
339 B752OS : Kidding aside, IF the merger was to happen and NW moved over to A, they would still have to operate the 2 x daily AMS flights out of E.
340 Airbazar : Yes, but NW has 3 gates in that terminal, IIRC. With slight modifications Iis it even necessary?), that would make it 3 additional international gate
341 Post contains links Srbmod : Please continue here: Official New England Aviation Thread #3 (by BAGoldEx Jan 14 2008 in Civil Aviation)
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