BrianDromey From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 2938 posts, RR: 10 Reply 8, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 10079 times:
Quoting AT (Reply 6): I don't understand-- if the 737-900 does not have the extra door, why would the ER variant?
Quoting OHLHD (Reply 7): So it will have 189 seats? Looks good!!!
The 739 was only certified for 189 passengers, the same as the 738. To better compete with the A321 Boeing needed extra exits to allow for greater capacity. Hence the extra doors aft of the wing. This takes capacity in an all economy layout to 212, I believe.
However CO does not squeeze quite as many passengers into its 739s, 167 I believe. This is less than the 190 seats which make the additional exits necessary, so CO have chosen to "ignore" the presence of this door and placed a plug in it, installed a normal type wall panel and overhead bin, rather than have an activated door. Its all about commonality.
Brian.
Next flights: ORK-MAN (WW); MAN-ORK (EI) DUB-HHN-DUB(FR)
Ikramerica From United States, joined May 2005, 18390 posts, RR: 59 Reply 9, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 9946 times:
Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 8): so CO have chosen to "ignore" the presence of this door and placed a plug in it, installed a normal type wall panel and overhead bin, rather than have an activated door. Its all about commonality.
And if the plane is sold to another carrier who wants to cram 200 pax onboard, the plug can be swapped out for a real door with little fuss. Well, moderate fuss maybe. I'm not sure, as it's not my job.
Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
STT757 From United States, joined Mar 2000, 12004 posts, RR: 54 Reply 11, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 9543 times:
Quoting Kaitak (Reply 10): What kind of routes will it be flying? Will it have ETOPS, to allow it to do short t/a hops (EWR-SNN/BFS, for example)?
They will most likely be ETOPS but not for Trans-Atlantic flights, CO has no intention of flying anything across the Atlantic that does not have a BusinessFirst Cabin. The 737-900ERs will have 20 Domestic First Class seats, not International BusinessFirst.
"'Brown Sugar' could save the world..." Eddie Vedder 10/14/97 Oakland, California
Gokmengs From United States, joined Mar 2005, 899 posts, RR: 1 Reply 14, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 9445 times:
Looks good, not to steal the subject but, is this Boeing's somewhat 757-2 replacement? I find the 757 to be extremely capable plane, unfortunately its not being produced anymore. How does the 739 compare vs. the 752?
Ikramerica From United States, joined May 2005, 18390 posts, RR: 59 Reply 16, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 9399 times:
Quoting Xtoler (Reply 12): Or would there be a F/A jumpseats there?
One jumpseat at each door, with F/A on one of them. The row has a bit more legroom, and only 4 seats instead of six due to this. It's in the Boeing planning docs for the 737 family. It's similar to the 73G window exit on some carriers, but with a jumpseat by the exit and a bit more legroom in the row.
Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
ElmoTheHobo From United States, joined Aug 2006, 1140 posts, RR: 1 Reply 17, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 8502 times:
Quoting AT (Reply 6): I don't understand-- if the 737-900 does not have the extra door, why would the ER variant
The moved the rear pressurized bulkhead back to create more room. With the extra door they can now have 215 seats instead of 189. For an airline like Ryanair, which fills an aircraft to the brim, there was no reason to purchase the 737-900 as it was a bigger aircraft but carrier just as many passengers as the -800.
Quoting OHLHD (Reply 7): So it will have 189 seats? Looks good!!! ÂÂ
No. That was the legal limit for the standard 737-800 and 737-900.
Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 8): This takes capacity in an all economy layout to 212
215 actually, which is 5 less than the A321 can carry IIRC.
Ikramerica From United States, joined May 2005, 18390 posts, RR: 59 Reply 19, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 7886 times:
Quoting ElmoTheHobo (Reply 17): 215 actually, which is 5 less than the A321 can carry IIRC.
And it's a tight 215. Realistically, it's like 199 which is still a nice number, about 20 more than people can realistically squeeze into a 738.
Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
Slovacek747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 21, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 5849 times:
I reckon. She is a beauty. Does anyone know if the ER's have a higher thrust on their engines than the 739A? I believe they do but just wanted to check.
Quoting BR715-A1-30 (Reply 22): So, are the 739ERs going to have an actual door installed, but CO decided to just put a plug-hatch there instead?
No door, just the plug/hatch as seen in the pic. It is standard equipment on the 9ER so as to permit single class seating for 200+ passengers by airlines so inclined to do that sort of thing. CO will seat only 174 so it will have no need for the extra exits as such. They are there but will not be usable.
26 Sxf24: The capacity is still greater than the 800.
27 STT757: 20 First/152 Y. CO wants to increase First Class capacity on Certain Domestic routes, particularly Trans-Cons. CO's 737-900ERs and mid-cabin lav 737-
28 FlyHoss: IIRC, the -900s still have 18 first class seats.
29 Horvik89: Beautiful, just simply beautiful aircraft.... I think the little plug adds something to it, dont know what, but i like the plug, lol...
30 BR715-A1-30: Ok, Then if they are not going to use the extra exit, why not just order the standard 739A?
31 Orion737: yHere in Uk, you can bet your life XL will be fitting more than 189 seats into their 739s!!!
32 777gk: 737-900ER... greater payload, longer range, better performance than the standard 737-900.
33 AirframeAS: Actually, the 739 and 738ER has a flat rear pressurized bulkhead. They are not domed.
34 AustinAirport: OMG HOW IS IT SO DAMN BEAUTIFUL!!!!! Ha
35 EWRCabincrew: I just can't wait to see how it is going to be staffed and how many jumpseats for potential commuters. Our -900s have 5 jumpseats (double jumpseat at
37 IAHcsr: Plus Boeing no longer offers the 900A .. You want a 739?, you get the 'ER'.
38 Drerx7: Besides what 777gk has said - the 739A is no longer in production - I believe that all 739s from this point forward are ERs.
39 Seabosdca: Certainly less trouble than adding it to a 739A... Like everyone else said, Boeing won't make another 739A... plus the ER has notably better field pe
40 AirframeAS: OOPS! Damn typo! I should know better. I mean't the 739ER! My bad!
41 Ikramerica: It's there because not having the plug would leave a really big hole on each side of the plane, making it hard to pressurize the cabin... As stated a
42 Viscount724: Quite a few low-cost carriers, Ryanair for one,squeeze the maximum limit of 189 seats on their 737-800s. Actually there is a 737-800ER of sorts excep
45 FUN2FLY: Any ideas when this bird will be delivered? Any other CO a/c at Renton? With 3 due per mo, figure there should be others mulling around shortly.
46 OHLHD: So you took the chance to promote another great pic taken by you.
47 Sokol: Take and look 2 more pictures of the first flight today. http://microvoltradio.com/images/kpae2290.jpg http://microvoltradio.com/images/kpae2291.jpg I
48 CALMSP: yes, with daily tech stops in SEA and PDX!!!
49 IAHcsr: IIRC 1-08-08 .... Which just happens to be my Nephew's 25th .
50 Mcamargo: can't wait to ride onboard that plane! she is just amazing.
51 AA737-823: I sure HOPE we get them here in ANC. That would be a nice upgrade from the 738's. And we sure need the capacity, I tell you what... every plane out of
52 Planesailing: To a degree it will be replacing 752's. Continental like using them on point to point transaltantic routes, so allowing them to be taken off internal
53 STT757: We have all now seen the outside (and she's gorgeous), I'm anxious to see what CO has installed on the inside.
54 RobK: That is not the correct date. I'm unable to release the exact date, but expect it to leave BFI "mid January". R
55 MasseyBrown: At 189 pax, the 900ER matches the all-economy capacity of the 707 - thus the fuselage of that stubby, ugly bumblebee of a 737-100 has at last grown t
56 Tdscanuck: It's the -900 that can't get to maximum capacity because of the exit limitations. The -900ER's whole purpose for being was to correct that problem. T
57 BR715-A1-30: Me too... I'll be disappointed if I see Blue/Grey Checkered seats... Those have to be the most outdated seats I know of. Every other airline is upgra
58 Drerx7: More than likely the seat pattern is the same - what STT757 is talking about is what type of goodies are in there - avod perhaps...
59 RoseFlyer: First flight to delivery is usually about 2 weeks, but it can vary. This plane will be less than normal since it was painted in Renton instead of BFI
60 RJdxer: I believe you can order the ER without the aux tanks installed which would effectively make it an "A" model from a range stand point. Although the wi
62 UncleBuck: Rev. 37 shows that the j/s @ 32 is replaced w/ a passenger seat, and there is now a double jumpseat @ 2R. No j/s @ the "plug" as it is not an actual
63 FlyingClrs727: Except that the 900ER has a flat bulkhead that allows more room or rows of seats than the 900. I wonder if the flat bulkhead will become an option on
64 EWRCabincrew: Now just refit the 800s and all is well.
65 TP727: Hello everyone, If JJ ever gets one of those, they will have theirs certified for 230! I have never experienced anything, in my long aviation life, s
66 Seabosdca: The 739ER has a higher MTOW than the 739A. The 739A is MTOW, not fuel volume, limited under almost all circumstances. Where the 739A is not MTOW limi
67 Viscount724: According to the following Boeing presentation on the -900ER, the baseline configuration has the deactivated emergency exit plugs with no window. The
68 RJdxer: Except a flat bulkhead has nothing to do with aircraft range. CO is retrofitting winglets to their existing 739's which will improve their efficiency
69 Flyingclrs727: But it does allow adding extra space or rows of seats without having to stretch the fusleage. I would imagine future customers for the BBJ might want
70 Seabosdca: The short field package adds to range in situations (DCA, for a useful instance) where it allows more TOW from a short field. (At most fields, where
71 RJdxer: Again, that does not increase range. It increases the number of airfields the aircraft can usefully serve but the aircraft won't fly any farther on a
72 Seabosdca: The problem is that you can't take off with a full tank from DCA (assuming a full passenger load) because there's not enough runway. The short field
73 RJdxer: Useful range and maximum range are two different calculations. I agree that useful range with the extra thrust will be longer, maximum range, on an E
74 Lemurs: Does anyone even know what that number is though? The problem is that the A model doesn't carry the same fuel as the ER in the standard range charts
75 Tdscanuck: You can infer it from data that is provided. The right hand end of the payload/range curve is the fuel-capacity-limited part of the curve. It's a str
Sponsor Message: 
From United States, joined Oct 1999, 950 posts, 
From Switzerland, joined Nov 2006, 1825 posts, 
From Finland, joined Dec 2004, 3864 posts, 
From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 2938 posts, 
From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 3240 posts, 
From , joined Dec 1969, posts, 
Printer friendly format 
