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Deccan. Kingfisher Shortcut To International Ops?  
User currently offlineArt From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 3382 posts, RR: 1
Posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2244 times:

"Deccan has struggled this year, and sold a 26% stake to Mr Mallya's UB group in June, which was raised to 46% in October.

"The merger will bring about synergies across the board and lower the cost of operating both airlines," Deccan founder GR Gopinath said.

Next August will mark five years of Deccan operating, which means that under Indian law, it can then fly lucrative overseas routes.

Kingfisher will also gain this privilege as part of the merger."

Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7153407.stm

These are two very different types of airline, aren't they - Deccan being described as an LCC. Does Kingfisher really want Deccan or is the attraction that Deccan will soon have the right to operate internationally?

Am I right in thinking that Kingfisher has some widebodies arriving in 2008? If I am, what else could they be used for except international flights? Kingfisher has no option but to take a controlling interest in Deccan, surely?

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User currently offlineLHRBlueSkies From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2007, 493 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2210 times:

the rules preventing an airline from operating international flights for 5 years is nothing but restrictive and ridiculous.

I hope Kingfisher get to use their 380's etc on longhaul products, and not just domestic buses...

and yes, buying Deccan was a way around the 5 year rule..



flying is the safest form of transport - until humans get involved!
User currently offlineTak From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 161 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2189 times:

Supposedly Kingfisher will fly to JFK as well starting in August of 2008. Heard it from my Cousin who is a stewerdess for Kingfisher and also just saw this link:

http://sify.com/finance/fullstory.php?id=14569326

http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/gener...es%20On%20JFK%20For%20NY%20Flights

Should be interesting. I wonder what planes they will fly to JFK, I think they will start to get some A340-500s starting in 2008 but perhaps someone else knows the schedules for delivery better,

CIao


User currently offlineArt From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 3382 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2031 times:

According to ATWonline news 21st Dec 2007, Kingfisher and Deccan have agreed that Kinfisher will take a majority shareholding in Deccan:

"Kingfisher Airlines and Deccan Aviation boards have decided to merge the companies, according to widespread press reports from India, paving the way for Kingfisher to gain clearance to operate internationally next year..."


User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2968 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1982 times:



Quoting Tak (Reply 2):
Supposedly Kingfisher will fly to JFK as well starting in August of 2008. Heard it from my Cousin who is a stewerdess for Kingfisher and also just saw this link:

International Opns commence June 1st with a BOM-LHR service, August 1 a BLR-LHR service and by September or October a BLR-JFK non-stop and a eventually a BLR-SFO nmon-stop when the remainder of the A345's arrive.



A300B2/B4/6R, A313, A319/320/321, A333, A343, A388, 737-2/3/4/7/8/9, 747-3/4, 772/2E/2L/3, E170/190, F70, CR2/7, 146-3,
User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 48
Reply 5, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1860 times:



Quoting Cricket (Reply 4):
International Opns commence June 1st with a BOM-LHR service, August 1 a BLR-LHR service and by September or October a BLR-JFK non-stop and a eventually a BLR-SFO nmon-stop when the remainder of the A345's arrive

I have my doubts about BLR-LHR being a viable route.


User currently offlineBlrBird From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 579 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1848 times:



Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 5):
I have my doubts about BLR-LHR being a viable route.

Actually there is good amount of O/D but not sure whether it can support 2 (BA & IT) flights a day.



from star dust....
User currently offlineBlrBird From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 579 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1839 times:

Here is the Deccan application with US DOT for Foreign Air Carrier Exemption....
http://www.regulations.gov/fdmspubli...n=DocketDetail&d=DOT-OST-2007-0036

some interesting quotes from the application...

Quote:

To the extent necessary, Deccan also asks that its authority include the right to operate using the
trade name "Kingfisher Airlines" and the same two-letter "IT" code currently used by Kingfisher
Airlines Ltd. ("Kingfisher Airlines"). Deccan requests that any exemption granted by the
Department pursuant to this application remain in effect for a period of at least two years.
...........................

Deccan would like the Department to understand that it is filing this application because
the Government of India has yet to announce whether it will amend its current aviation policy
requiring Indian carriers, including Deccan and Kingfisher Airlines, to have operated for five
years domestically before becoming eligible for international authority, Deccan will meet this
requirement in August 2008, Kingfisher Airlines would not meet the requirement until an
additional period of time after that, assuming the Government of India's current aviation policy
remains unchanged
............................

For its planned international longhaul operations to, inter alia,
the United States, Kingfisher Airlines would dry lease several of its A340-500 and other long
range aircraft to Deccan.3 Those aircraft will be configured for three classes of service and will
offer a number of state-of-the-art amenities including live television, award-winning meals and
the latest ACARS communications and monitoring technology.




from star dust....
User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 48
Reply 8, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1824 times:



Quoting BlrBird (Reply 6):
Actually there is good amount of O/D but not sure whether it can support 2 (BA & IT) flights a day.

Two flights a day translate to about 250,000 seats annually. IT better look into some codeshares from LHR to NA.


User currently offlineAlangirvan From New Zealand, joined Nov 2000, 2106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1753 times:

Kingfisher has expressed some interest in Australian services. If the BLR-LHR services operate as part of
LHR-BLR-MEL-SYD, perhaps with some of the A340-600s which Etihad have cancelled, IT would be a very competitive airline between Australia and UK.


User currently offlineAlangirvan From New Zealand, joined Nov 2000, 2106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1751 times:

Kingfisher has expressed some interest in Australian services. If the BLR-LHR services operate as part
of LHR-BLR-MEL-SYD, perhaps with some of the A340-600s which Etihad have cancelled, IT would be a very competitive airline between Australia and UK.


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