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NWA DC9, How Long?  
User currently offlineDerek H From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (13 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1284 times:

Hi, this has probably been talked about before, but i coudln't find the topic. I was just wondering how much longer NWA plans on keeping their DC9's. That is about the only NW aircraft we get here. And they fly from FSD to MSP (25 min flight). I love this plane. And if they are going out soon, what would you think NW would replace them with on this route? NW flies this route to MSP about 15-20 times a day. Do you think they would replace it with a bigger plane, cutting the number of flights down?

Well, I hope you can tell me when these planes are supose to be leaving, what you think they will replace the route with.

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User currently offlineDsmav8r From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 579 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (13 years 8 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 1126 times:

The DC-9's are supposedly being slowly replaced by the RJ85's. So, I would expect NW to use the RJ's on the close, smaller markets like FSD, CID, DSM, RST, LSE, etc. It wouldn't be very economical to use the A319/A320 on these routes. However, the A319/A320 will replace the D95's and 727's in larger cities like MCI and OMA, since these markets can fill the 'buses.



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User currently offlineA32 From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 163 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (13 years 8 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 1101 times:

They will all be gone by 2006. The replacement will keep us guessing till then.

regards


User currently offlineThomacf From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 542 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (13 years 8 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 1098 times:

Why don't they just go with the 717? Why aren't all the airlines that had or have DC-9's switching over to it?

User currently offlineZsx81 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 301 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (13 years 8 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 1091 times:

I think RJs are a pretty good replacement for 9s. NWA just started operating DC9 from AZO to DTW in addition to Saab 340s and BAe 146 avrojet very nice airplanes but they actually fly under Mesabas colors, about 100 mile trip, 25 min flight. I ll be hitching a ride on one soon.
ali


User currently offlineSJC>SFO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (13 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1051 times:

Quick question about the avros or RJ 85/100 i am all confused on this one. Is the Avro series the next generation of the BAe146? Is it the exact same plane as the BAe146??? If so, why the name difference. I've seen it called both. Northwest calls theirs Avros, while over in Europe Air France's regional affiliate (Jersey European?) operates their Lyon-LHR route (which i flew on bout 8 months ago) with a BAe-146. could somebody clarify?

User currently offlineDsmav8r From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 579 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (13 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1035 times:

You will hear the RJ85 called many different things... In the ATC field, many of us use "BAC-jet" when referring to them. In actuality, the RJ85 is a different/updated version of the -146.

Aric Thalman
Omaha, NE



To most people, the sky is the limit. To those who love aviation, the sky is home
User currently offlineNwa747-400 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1337 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (13 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1024 times:

The DC9-10 (about 10 aircraft) are the only ones being replaced by the RJ85.

The -30,40, 50 replacement is yet to be announced, but I assume the -40 and -50 will be the A319.

The -30 is going to be the A318 or 717 most likely. With NW's openly enthusiatic push for fleet commonality it will probably be the A318 even though it is a little less economic to run than the 717.


User currently offlineMaiznblu_757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5112 posts, RR: 50
Reply 8, posted (13 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1014 times:

NWs DC9s will not be replaced by ARJs. Wont happen. I feel the A319 A320 will be the replacements for all the 9s.

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User currently offlineDsmav8r From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 579 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (13 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1011 times:

**NWs DC9s will not be replaced by ARJs. Wont happen. I feel the A319 A320 will be the replacements for all the 9s.**

It would be great if they would, but why would NWA do that? Replacing the -9's with the A319/A320 on short-haul, smaller-markets would be a waste of $$$.

Save the A319/A320 for long-range "thin" markets like: GEG, BOI, ABQ, COS, and for short-haul, higher capacity markets like MCI, OMA, MSN, and GRR.



To most people, the sky is the limit. To those who love aviation, the sky is home
User currently offlineFavre From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 595 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (13 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 1002 times:

there will be NO MORE RJ-85'S delivered to mesaba...therefore how can they replace any dc-9s...they have replaced dc-9s on some markets, but thats it...a-318 is highly unlikely due to the location of the engine to the jetbridge--just wont work..look for maybe crj900/717-100??? who knows at this point it wont happen for awhile...


BAE 146 ARJ CV-580 YS-11 SH360 DASH8 SAAB340 EMB 120-135-145-175 DC9/10/30/40/50 MD80/90 DC10 717 727 737 747 757 767 77
User currently offlineJetService From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4798 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (13 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 989 times:

Maybe by the time the 9's are gone, the bigger Fairchild RJs will fit into the equation.


"Shaddap you!"
User currently offlineNwa747-400 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1337 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (13 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 982 times:

The A318 would be fine with jetbridges.....

Right I know there are no more Rj85s to be delivered....they have been replacing the DC9-10s is what I meant.

The remaining -10s will probably be replaced with a -30 size plane (A318/717).


User currently offlineTEDSKI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (13 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 969 times:

What ever happened to their MD-80s? Why did they get rid of them? Those aircraft would have been useful on the DTW to ALB route instead of the old DC-9-30s.

User currently offlineFAVRE From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 595 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (13 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 943 times:

NWA747-400---A318 WILL NOT WORK W/JETWAY -- THE ENGINES ARE TO FWD----LOOK AT THE SPECS--ITS BEEN STATED FOR QUITE AWHILE...HOPE THAT HELPS--


BAE 146 ARJ CV-580 YS-11 SH360 DASH8 SAAB340 EMB 120-135-145-175 DC9/10/30/40/50 MD80/90 DC10 717 727 737 747 757 767 77
User currently offlineIflewrepublic From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 537 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (13 years 8 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 928 times:

We withdrew the MD-80's from the fleet sometime around October of 1999 as there were not that many of them. If memory serves me correctly, there were only about 10 to 15 MD-80's in our fleet. I'm going out on a limb here, but I do believe they were replaced by the Airbus A320.

Iflewrepublic



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User currently offlineNWA Man From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1828 posts, RR: 12
Reply 16, posted (13 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 915 times:

Very close Iflewrepublic...they were replaced by NW's first batch of A319s.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

N-Dub



Create your own luck.
User currently offlineXFSUgimpLB41X From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 4204 posts, RR: 37
Reply 17, posted (13 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 910 times:

Im putting my money on 318s or 319s. I personally have never heard of A318 jetway problems. I some how doubt the 717 will be a replacement. Northwest and its pilots are quite fond of the 320 series for the most part.


Chicks dig winglets.
User currently offlineNwa747-400 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1337 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (13 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 901 times:

Thank you.

User currently offlineDerek H From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (13 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 881 times:

Yes, thank you all for your responses.

User currently offlineXFSUgimpLB41X From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 4204 posts, RR: 37
Reply 20, posted (13 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 882 times:

Now that i think about it..the Avro RJ's (those 4 engined mini- C-5 looking planes) have an even shorter front section than the 318...and those things are parked all over the jetways at MEM...which are standard jetways. Not to mention all hte CRJs are parked at jetways too. There is no reason why a 318 could not use a jetway.


Chicks dig winglets.
User currently offlineNwa747-400 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1337 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (13 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 875 times:

Exactly

User currently offlineFavre From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 595 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (13 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 870 times:

rj85 engines are further back than the proposed 318---the 319 is really close and the design ive seen in msp shows clearly that the jetway would be over the top of the cowl...and also no forward cargo bin on 318....the jetways on a crj has nothing to do with a 318..apples to oranges..


BAE 146 ARJ CV-580 YS-11 SH360 DASH8 SAAB340 EMB 120-135-145-175 DC9/10/30/40/50 MD80/90 DC10 717 727 737 747 757 767 77
User currently offlineNwa747-400 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1337 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (13 years 8 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 863 times:

If the Rjs can workwith the jetways, then the A318s will have no problem.

Thanks.


User currently offlineTEDSKI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (13 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 844 times:

If Northwest goes for the A318, what engine will they go for? The CFM56 like Air France did, or the P&W 6000?

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