1 Flying-Tiger: That should be the Mesa Joint-Venture carrier.
2 ENU: Wow, that's a nice order to start with. I think they already had 35 orders. The aircraft looks better now its painted!
3 Vasu: Definitely... in fact I think it looks really nice!
4 ENU: Indeed: http://www.tradingmarkets.com/.site/news/Stock%20News/935980/ More pictures would be welcome! Some more background information: http://www.fl
7 Ikramerica: Only 1 full sized door, the rest are mini-doors. I guess that saves weight and structure?
8 BlueSky1976: The paint scheme looks like a Hawaiian Airlines classic on steroids (only in navy blue)
9 D950: Looks like they kept some of the tooling from the trunkliner program.
10 PC12Fan: Does that mean there's is lead in it? But very sharp IMO. I'd love to hear the economics on this bird with the CF34's on it.
11 OO-VEG: No pictures on A.net yet... It looks pretty neat, hope they will start production on some stretched models. I think for regional planes it will do pre
12 TristarSteve: well is that a real rollout of a real plane?, or a Boeing rollout?
13 Skyexramper: Ladies and Gentleman, Boys and Girls I am proud to present to you the CRJ-700 on steroids!
14 WarRI1: Somehow, I do not think that this is a game, this is a real serious competition with far reaching economic and political goals in mind, I do not unde
15 Kstatepilot: Wow, I work for YV and haven't heard anything about this!! Looks great anyway.
16 Rheinbote: The rear door looks more or less inaccessible, pretty close to the wing trailing edge. Whatever... New aircraft keep the industry alive, so may the A
17 AmtrakGuy: Hmmm...Mesa and Shenzhen is a partner in this new airlines. I wonder if Mesa will watch and see if this plane really reliable and save fuels -- Mesa m
18 Mandala499: Ahaaa... now I know why NW hasn't retired its DC9s... they were waiting for this! *runs* Mandala499
19 Scbriml: There is such a thing as taking life too seriously!
20 DavidkunzVIE: Of course it's beautiful. Everything from LGB is beautiful.
21 Rocbufden: Looks nice enough until it's recalled due to high lead content
22 USADreamliner: Just add winglets to the 717 and...voila!
23 Iflyac: Maybe they should master the production of childrens toys first.
24 R2rho: Is it me or is does that wing look very thin? Wonder what aspect ratio it has...
25 Iwok: And the difference between this and the Mad Dogs is??????? iwok
27 KLMD11L: I bet it shares much more than just the look with the MD-90s! It would be interesting to know the percentage of the Western components of this bird!
28 Francoflier: Noticed that as well. It makes me wonder whether a longer, heavier version of it is feasible at all with that wing, a la MD 80, or whether it'll call
29 National757: They can have this one. Let's see China try to reverse engineer a 747 or A380..by the time they figure out how..Boeing and Airbus will have moved on
30 A480: If they manage to produce a reliable aircraft with competitive performance, then Embraer is in trouble....
31 A480: And since they are now learning a lot about the A320, Airbus and Boeing might also be in trouble at some point in the not so distant future. With 1.3B
32 MCOflyer: Well, lets see how the performance is. If it performs to the standards the manufacturer claims, then we have a winner. If not, then Embraer and Bombar
33 Mcamargo: I'd like to see NW invest in a few of these... while I understand the DC-9 is aging, it is rather comfortable to me (the 2x3 layout in Y)... I wonder
34 JoeCanuck: They'll sell a ton of these in China. With a land area the size of the USA, a population of 1.4 billion people, a growing middle class and the opening
35 BlueSky1976: Most notably: an all-new wing, and engines.
36 PC12Fan: Anybody notice the freighter version on the website? http://www.acac.com.cn/site_en/product03.asp Very interesting IMO. I have to admit that initially
37 Mandala499: 1. New windshield 2. New cockpit (CRJ anyone?) 3. New engines (CRJ and Ejets anyone?) 4. Let's not change door R1, but scrap the overwings and put MD
38 ENU: I think they are developed by GE, but the CF34-10A is about 80% common with the -10E engine already powering Embraer 190/195 large regional jets. See
39 Rikkus67: Mandala... Wasn't the wing developed and designed by Antonov? The wing to fuselage fairing also looks a bit different (beefier)....and would Antonov h
40 RIXrat: My industry is shipping. While Chinese-built shipping containers have almost driven any other manufacturer out of business, they build to specs, but c
41 JoeCanuck: The problem isn't chinese manufacturing as everyone else's willingness to turn a blind eye to the God of cheap stuff. Few customers are willing to lo
42 Flybyguy: It's widely known that the Chinese steal western technology and military secrets. I have no doubt this plane is the product of years of overzealous s
43 Alessandro: [Rixrat reply 40] My industry is shipping. While Chinese-built shipping containers have almost driven any other manufacturer out of business, they bui
44 TVNWZ: I don't think they stole a thing. McD/D all but gave them the tooling for the MD80. They made a few of the so-called TrunkLiners there. They have bou
45 Alessandro: TVNWZ, yes, sold by McD, I don´t think they need to steal anything, Antonov surely got payed for their contributions.
46 WarRI1: I could not agree with you more, as our fellow forum member from China said" we have a plan in mind" I myself have no doubt about the plan. This appl
47 WarRI1: I am afraid that they master the items that they want to master and on their own terms without much regard to the norms of the rest of this global ec
48 WarRI1: I do try to keep that in mind, but when the well being of my children and grandchildren comes to mind, I do tend to get serious about this so called
49 JoeCanuck: You should be just as concerned about the companies who order the products. They are as culpable as the manufacturers. Mattel and others just want th
50 WarRI1: I am, and I could not agree with you more about the companies, it is the same all over, at the cost of repeating myself, I have visited your country
51 777gk: It's a figure of speech. 'Game' has become synonymous with 'competition', and calling the aircraft manufacturing business competitive is a gross unde
52 FlyASAGuy2005: With those wings, it looks like a CRJ on steroids IMO. Hope it does well...
53 Lumberton: For sure it will do well; in China....
54 EvilForce: Competition makes the world go around. Good for China! I purchase in excess of $ 15 million worth of goods and services from China. Why? No, not only
55 WarRI1: Well, how good is that for you? I have listened to this for too amy years, I wonder how we existed for all these years in the overpaid US, how good o
56 EvilForce: Why anyone thinks that just because certain jobs were considered "living wage" jobs 20 years ago, and are entitled to them still today is beyond me. U
57 EvilForce: Sorry I didn't answer this question. It's good for me and my clients because we make a much higher mark-up, with better service. Our higher mark-ups
58 WarRI1: Oh, I am sure it is good for you, and somehow I think it is better for you than the others. This answer is so hollow, it almost rings, why do people
59 EvilForce: "Exploitation"? How exactly is that "exploiting" anyone? Last time I checked no one was holding anyone hostage for anything. The tradesmen in China ma
60 WarRI1: I use the airliner as a symbol of the type of absurd global trading that we are practicing, this is not only about China, this is about the tearing d
61 EvilForce: So can you explain to me how this aircraft is a symbol of a bad trade policy? What specifically do you find objectionable about it? Using your logic o
62 R2rho: McDonnell Douglas showed them how to build MD-90's, and they have released the ARJ21. Airbus is teaching them how to build A320's...
63 WarRI1: MY,my, our fellow forum member from China has advised us of that also, one can see a similar way of thinking here. I guess unbeknownst to me and many
64 WarRI1: Somehow if we look real deep, we will see the common thread here, that we are giving away our abilities and technology in the aircraft industry to pe
65 EvilForce: You haven't addressed a single question I asked you War. I asked what specifically you found objectionable about this jet project in China? How will i
66 Alessandro: That´s Rixrat´s writing not mine. Anyway, the Chinas are the worlds factory today, only chinese transport products I knowingly has experienced is t
67 WarRI1: I said before that the aircraft is an example, used to address the issues. I like the figures about the engineers being graduated from India and Chin
68 JoeCanuck: I'm wondering who's fault it is...the Chinese or people who are willing to set up shop in China?
69 RIXrat: It is all about who can get the cheapest products from anywhere. I remember as a kid that the Japanese were turning out toys and such. Then, later, w
70 Alessandro: Well, I think China and India in aviation got the right mix of infrastructure and inexpensive labor hard to undercut them. Cheap labor for manufacturi
71 WarRI1: I cannot blame the Chinese people, they have to survive and eat, I put it squarely on the eager beavers for cheap labor who do not give a hoot for an
72 WarRI1: I think you have hit the nail on the head, the question is, just where they can set up for the cheap labor and wring the most money out of it? I agre
73 EvilForce: Empty rhetoric. The same rhetoric was used against the Japanese with regards to the auto industry. How patriotic was it of the Big Three auto compani
74 WarRI1: I said it and I will say it again, read above. I will say this, do not bring the unions into it, you are showing colors which are better left hidden,
75 Alessandro: Well, there´s robot tax in Belgium, for industrial robots, high labor cost means people looking to reduce the hours of employees involved in the mak
76 Geekydude: WarRI1, my friend, it seems that after all the long discussions we had, I have not convinced you the slightest bit that your view is simply populist a
77 Geekydude: I agree with the first part of your statement. But I have to disagree on your wording of "slave laborers". In most cases, there are no guards holding
78 EvilForce: Expecting a 45 year old type designed aircraft to be manufactured and in a high wage country is ludicri Yup. As I stated in my opening post, not only
79 WarRI1: I hope you enjoyed the break. I am doing just that with my Grandchildren, fortunately, I had a successful career and can afford to to do what you adv
80 WarRI1: Here is some more info on the article (Yeh Long-Ling Learn from China) This article is from Oakland California by Yeh Ling-Ling Executive Director of
81 EvilForce: The link to that article is: http://www.projo.com/opinion/contrib..._12-29-07_328BSHG_v14.2a6f14b.html It's nothing but populist rhetoric filled with
82 WarRI1: Populist rhetoric,fill with logical falsehoods. Man this is hard. I think that if one added up the sums involved with these programs, such as welfare
83 B2443: Right on. One word: Profit. For manufacturing jobs going to China, it's simply capitalism at work. If they didn't go to China, they would have gone t
84 Sh0rtybr0wn: Boeing should have made that plane. Complete missed opportunity. If it was Aluminum skinned Boeing could have built a new factory and had them rolling
85 R2rho: Well, we have to ask ourselves: are we digging our own grave here, or since it is "inevitable" that China will take over one day, is it better to mak
86 WarRI1: I do not think it is inevitable and I certainly do not think it is wise for our security in the US and Europe, we have distinctly different political
87 BR715-A1-30: By Jan 1, They will only have 74 DC-9s.
88 Acjflyer: I must say the ARJ looks beautiful. I hope they can now live up to the hype they created when speaking of their economic benefits. And with that being
89 Lightsaber: Hey, we can turn this into a NW DC-9 thread! The plane is listed for $4 million more per aircraft than the E175, its closest competitor. So we have a
90 Geekydude: Thanks for the link to the article, WarRi1 and EvilForce. While the author presents a few real legitimate concerns, his singling out immigration as a
91 B2443: This thread is getting more political... hmm...I beg to differ. China's poverty did not start with Mao. China started to decline in Qing dynasty (~184
92 Geekydude: True. I should have mentioned the China's population more than doubled from the end of WWII to 1979; and during this period the livelihood of the ave
93 WarRI1: I have prviously stated that I hold no ill will towards the people of China, it is the government who is suspect as is always the case. I use the air
94 ZTagged: That windshield looks a hella lot like the 737s.. Impressive just how much effort they put into designing this on their own, huh?
95 WarRI1: I think that the moderators will let us know when we have crossed the line, what! politics and economics does not go with aviation/, of course it doe
96 B2443: Why would China be a threat to the US/West? I am sensing a general hostility here towards China. Just because it has a different political system so
97 WarRI1: I suggest the reading of the (Taiwan Relations Act) (The three communiques) (Wikapedia) and get out of it what you will. Hostility towards China?, on
98 Acjflyer: Wow let's get back to aviation and get off of political views. Post elsewhere if you want to get all into world economics and policies.
99 WarRI1: This is all part of the aviation thread, no one has to read anything they do not want to read, the forum moderator is watching, so they will make the
100 EvilForce: *sigh* Why is it that my fellow Americans often times cannot grasp how hypocritical the United States is with regards to it's cheap platitudes toward
101 WarRI1: Let us see now, what other political system besides the Democratic one is there that allows us the freedom to do what we are doing here?, the open an
102 CJAContinental: I think the problem is both. I agree to some extent that it's the customers fault for not turning a blind eye to cheaply manufactured products, howev
Sponsor Message: 
From Hong Kong, joined Jul 2005, 2346 posts, 
Printer friendly format 
