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PA103 Crash Anniversary Dec. 21  
User currently offlineRichierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4199 posts, RR: 6
Posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2006 times:

Today, December 21, 2007, is the 19th anniversary of the terrible tragedy of Pan Am 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland.

I usually find myself writing the anniversary post for this crash and a few others... I don't mean to offend anybody, annoy anybody or anything like that. I think that by writing this, I keep the remembrance of that awful day alive and hopefully we will never have to see anything like it happen again.

There are a handful of air disasters that have really influenced me, at least indirectly, and this is one of them.I didn't know anybody on-board the flight but the fact that "it could have been any of us" really came home to me after that crash. I had flown Pan Am Flight 103, a few years before that tragic flight, and anybody can imagine the extra sadness felt by the timing of this unnecessary crash. I almost went to Syracuse University - indeed I was on campus to check the place out not long after so many SU students died on PA 103 - and there was (probably still is) a memorial to those students who did not make it home from a semester abroad. I have also been to Lockerbie, the pall of that disaster still hanging over the town all these years later. Indeed, a whole generation of children and families have lived in Lockerbie since the disaster, many not alive or living elsewhere in 1988. I think about PA103 every time I fly back across the pond from LHR - not in some macabre, scared way, but as if to pay homage to all the loved ones lost on that cold, dark night. The images of burning houses and pieces of aircraft scattered around the town are forever etched in my mind.

RIP to the victims of PA103.


None shall pass!!!!
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User currently offlineAlgoz From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 130 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1995 times:



Quoting Richierich (Thread starter):



Quoting Richierich (Thread starter):
Today, December 21, 2007, is the 19th anniversary of the terrible tragedy of Pan Am 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland.

Thanks for the timely salutation. Sobering to think what has happened in aviation in the last 19years....


User currently onlineSXDFC From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 2226 posts, RR: 19
Reply 2, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1953 times:

RIP to those who died. I offer my condolenses to family as well. Too bad it had to happen around the holidays - isn't that supposed to be a time for peace?


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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1940 times:

Quoting SXDFC (Reply 2):
Too bad it had to happen around the holidays - isn't that supposed to be a time for peace?

Don't you think that is WHY it happened when it did...........???????

Quoting Richierich (Thread starter):
I had flown Pan Am Flight 103, a few years before that tragic flight, and anybody can imagine the extra sadness felt by the timing of this unnecessary crash. I almost went to Syracuse University - indeed I was on campus to check the place out not long after

You went to college when you were 8 years old...?? Your profile has you at 20-25... so you were at most 6yrs old when Pan Am 103 happened in 1988. I also have to say your use of the words 'unnecessary crash' struck me as odd. Pan Am 103 was planned and carried out with a purpose by Terrorists. The use of 'unnecessary' implies an accident, which it was anything but........

[Edited 2007-12-21 12:47:58]


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User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13044 posts, RR: 78
Reply 4, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1910 times:

I saw it depart LHR, didn't think anything of it, I just worked a bit late and was on my way home, saw a PA 747 go, thought nothing of it, until news reports later, from them it's departure time from LHR was eventually mentioned.

At first, terrorism was not confirmed, at work the inevitable questions, if it was not a bomb, what are the implications for other early 747 model operators?
Of course, deep down we all thought it was a bomb, which of course was confirmed soon enough.

Two and a half years before, LHR dodged a terrorist bullet, when an attempt to place a bomb on an El AL 747 failed.
The girlfriend of an Arab man, unwittingly was carrying a concealed device given to her by her 'boyfriend', she was an Irish girl working as the chambermaid in London, when this guy 'met' her.
But this ruse did not get past El Al security.
He was found to be working for the Syrian Intelligence service, he is still locked up in a British prison, he had lived just down the road from my parents.

I guess they learned from that, don't use unwitting carriers, don't even try to get through hand luggage checks, not after this attempt failed, for any airline.

RIP to those who died on PA103, I wish that attempt had been stopped too.


User currently offlineDc10s2hnl From New Zealand, joined Aug 2006, 158 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1772 times:

I remember this vaguely, being a little kid in the late 80s. One of my mom's high school friends was on PA103 and my mom was on the phone with her old friends constantly... the news was on quite a bit the next few days.

Such a shame that some fundamentalist people have the view that life is to be wasted in order to further their agendas...
Libya is now off the US embargo list and Qaddafi now a good trading partner after paying off the PA and UTA families. Just throw money at people and we've got a happy ending!


User currently offlineKSYR From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1582 times:

Thanks for the tribute, I was hoping someone would remember the tradegy.

Quoting Richierich (Thread starter):
and there was (probably still is) a memorial to those students who did not make it home from a semester abroad.

Yes, Syracuse University does a lot to recognize the 35 SU students lost on PA 103. There is a memorial in front of the Hall of Languages, as well as a "Remembrance Week" each year to pay tribute to those lost. Carnations and roses are placed on the memorial each year during this week (I think it was in October this year), blue ribbons were distributed in the quad, there is a "blue and white" (PA colors" day on campus, and there are 35 scholarships given out each year in memory of the Syracuse students who were killed. Additionally, this year large photographs of each victim were placed in buildings throughout campus, and as of Dec. 14 (my last day at SU before coming home for break) those posters are still hanging.

Truly awful event, may the victims RIP.


User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5647 posts, RR: 24
Reply 7, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 1576 times:



Quoting Richierich (Thread starter):
The images of burning houses and pieces of aircraft scattered around the town are forever etched in my mind.

RIP to the victims of PA103.

I will never forget the image of the shattered front 1/4 of the plane, the cockpit and the Clipper name cleanly ripped apart from the rest of the plane....



Next trip: SLC-LAX-JFK-LAX-SLC on AA, gotta say goodbye to my beloved 762!
User currently offlineDenverDanny From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 255 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 1567 times:

I flew into JFK and drove up to Syracuse this past May to look at the Pan Am 103 archives they have up at the university library. I didn't have a whole lot of time to spend in the archives, due partly to the drive taking longer than I thought it would. They have an amazing amount of material there, and it was a very sobering experience to learn more about the disaster. One family of a student victim had put together a few photo and clipping books of their son's life. I will never forget him or the other amazing people who died most unjustly in this disaster. Wish I could go back in time and stop it. Thank you for posting this thread.

RIP Turhan Ergin and all 270


User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 12878 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 1565 times:

While one of the most shocking aircraft related terror acts, much was learned from it to improve safety of passangers and investigation procedures. Throughout the world security procedures as to checked and transferred bags were tightened. It became much more difficult for a bag not be on a flight with the pax it was 'owned' by. Changes were also made as to how and when to notify family members of those persons involved in aircraft accidents and terror acts. The intensity and throughness of the investigation became a model of improvements in such terrible events. Finding a small chip of a circuit board in a debris field was critical in setting blame and responsibility. Although subject to substantual political factors, someone was blamed and convicted for the PA 103 terror bombing and with Libia getting screwed for years for their believe part in it.
It's effects on 100's of families and a major USA college since that horrible act still haunts many to this day. I have also driven through Lockerbie, noting areas subject to photos and film of what happened. I also believe there is a memorial as to PA 103 just west of the town at or near a graveyard.


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