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Alitalia's MXP/FCO 2008 Longhaul Changes Finalized  
User currently offlineNycfly75 From Italy, joined Aug 2005, 759 posts, RR: 9
Posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 9738 times:

In addition to FCO-LAX which is mentioned in another thread the following changes have been finalized:

Thanks to my friends at aviazionecivile.it for the information:

http://www.aviazionecivile.it/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=35450


Cancelled:
LOS
ACC
DKR
DEL
BOM
PVG

FCO Routes Summer 2008:

LAX 5XW 777
JFK 2 DAILY 777/767
MIA DAILY 767
BOS DAILY 767
ORD DAILY 767
EWR DAILY 767
YYZ DAILY 767
EZE DAILY 777
CCS DAILY 767
GRU 6XW 777
DXB 4xw 767
NRT 3XW 777
KIX 4XW 777
THR 5XW 320
DAM 5XW 320
BEY 10XW 320
TLV 2DAILY
ALG 5XW 319
CMN 11XW 321/320
TUN 2 DAILY MD80
TIP 8XW 319
CAI 2 DAILY 321


MXP Routes 2008:

JFK DAILY 777
NRT 3XW 777
GRU 3XW 777
TLV 2 DAILY
ALG 4XW 320
CMN DAILY MD80
TIP 3XW 320
TUN DAILY MD80
CAI DAILY 320


Domestic Routings from MXP: Effective Summer 2008:

GOA MXP 1 DAILY 328
VCE MXP 2 DAILY RJ145
BLQ MXP CANCELLATO
PSA MXP 3 DAILY AT7
FLR MXP 3 DAILY A319
AOI MXP 1 DAILY 328
BZO MXP 1 DAILY 328
TRS MXP 1 DAILY RJ145
NAP MXP 2 DAILY A321/E170
FCO MXP 4 DAILY RJ145/E170
BRI 12XW E170
SUF MXP 6XW MD80
CTA MXP 3 DAILY MD80
PMO MXP 3 DAILY MD80

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User currently offlineBrightCedars From Belgium, joined Nov 2004, 1288 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 9736 times:

So they're moving BEY from MXP to FCO. It wasn't announced in the previous changes.

Glad we'll probably be able to fly the BRU-BEY route yet thru another point!



I want the European Union flag on airliners.net!
User currently offlineAF086 From France, joined Jan 2007, 1059 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 9721 times:

What happened to the GIG flight? Read in this forum that AZ requested slots at FCO for a 3x weekly flight (IIRC AZ 670/1).


Please insert a "smart" joke here.
User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4976 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 9608 times:

Something doesnt make sense on the Alitalia 767 fleet, they are losing 4 airplanes year over year.. but they should have 2 unassigned airlanes

Last year Alitalia had 14 767-300s

1- mxpmia
2- mxpewr
3- mxpyyz
4- mxpord
5- losaccmxp
6- mxpccs
7- mxpbos
8- mxppvg
9- mxpdel
10- mxpbom
11- fcoyyz
12- fcobos
13- mxpdxb
14- backup (operational spare)


In S08, AZ should have 11

1 - fcoyyz
2 - fcobos
3 - fcojfk
4 - fcoewr
5 - fcobos
6 - fcomia
7 - fcoccs
8 - fcodxb
9 - backup (operational spare)
10 - unassigned
11 - unassigned
]


User currently offlineNycfly75 From Italy, joined Aug 2005, 759 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 9527 times:

Whats above seems to be final, there may be a few additions too. GIG/YUL are still very possible.

User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4422 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 9485 times:

I am sure they kept IST from both hubs, correct?

User currently offlineNycfly75 From Italy, joined Aug 2005, 759 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 9462 times:



Quoting TK787 (Reply 5):
I am sure they kept IST from both hubs, correct?

Looks like two daily from FCO and 1 daily from MXP


User currently offlineNycfly75 From Italy, joined Aug 2005, 759 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 9434 times:

Italy-NYC changes:

JFK:

AZ 604 MXP JFK 11.15 13.50 daily 777
AZ 605 JFK MXP 18.40 08.30 daily 777
(New Time)

AZ 608 FCO JFK 09.50 13.10 daily 777
AZ 609 JFK FCO 16.05 06.15 daily 777
(New Time-Equipment Change)

AZ 610 FCO JFK 14.45 18.10 daily 767
AZ 611 JFK FCO 21.05 11.30 daily 767
(Change of Equipment)

EWR:

MXP-EWR-MXP: Eliminated

AZ 642 FCO EWR 11.55 15.30 daily 767
AZ 643 EWR FCO 17.40 08.00 daily 767
(Equipment Change)

[Edited 2007-12-21 16:34:56]

User currently offlineNycfly75 From Italy, joined Aug 2005, 759 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 9318 times:

This is a summary as of now, more additions/changes can occur for Summer 2008 for AZ:
There are many new routes being added from FCO that have been eliminated at MXP. LOS and ACC have in fact not been eliminated. DKR seems to be happening too from FCO, but has not been confirmed yet.

Again, thank you to my friends at aviazionecivile.it for the info.

http://www.aviazionecivile.it/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=35454

New Routes for AZ from FCO that do not exist already:

Fiumicino-Berlino/Tegel
Fiumicino-Dusseldorf
Fiumicino-Zurigo
Fiumicino-Stoccolma/Arlanda
Fiumicino-Belgrado
Fiumicino-Minsk
Fiumicino-Kiev
Fiumicino-Damasco
Fiumicino-Beirut
Fiumicino-Dubai
Fiumicino-Teheran
Fiumicino-Los Angeles
Fiumicino-Chicago
Fiumicino-Miami
Fiumicino-Sao Paulo
Fiumicino-Osaka
Fiumicino-Accra via Lagos
Fiumicino-Dakar (not confirmed yet)

Routes currently at FCO going from seasonal to year round:

Fiumicino-Copenhagen
Fiumicino-Toronto
Fiumicino-Boston

Eliminated Routes:

Malpensa-Genova
Malpensa-Firenze
Malpensa-Bologna
Malpensa-Ancona
Malpensa-Perugia
Malpensa-Bolzano
Malpensa-Madrid
Malpensa-Barcellona
Malpensa-Valencia
Malpensa-Malaga
Malpensa-Lisbona
Malpensa-Lyon
Malpensa-Nizza
Malpensa-Strasburgo
Malpensa-Londra/Heathrow
Malpensa-Copenhagen
Malpensa-Stoccolma/Arlanda
Malpensa-Francoforte
Malpensa-Zagabria
Malpensa-Varsavia
Malpensa-Malta
Malpensa-Atene
Malpensa-Thessaloniki
Malpensa-Dakar
Malpensa-Accra via Lagos
Malpensa-Osaka
Malpensa-Delhi
Malpensa-Mumbai
Malpensa-Damasco
Malpensa-Beirut
Malpensa-Teheran
Malpensa-Dubai
Malpensa-Miami
Malpensa-Chicago
Malpensa-Newark
Malpensa-Boston
Malpensa-Toronto
Malpensa-Caracas
Malpensa-Buenos Aires
Malpensa-Sarajevo
Malpensa-Timisoara
Malpensa-Skopje
Malpensa-Cracovia
Malpensa-Shanghai

[Edited 2007-12-21 18:14:00]

[Edited 2007-12-21 18:35:06]

User currently offlineNycfly75 From Italy, joined Aug 2005, 759 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 9227 times:

Judging from this, it does indeed seem that FCO will become a fortress hub for Alitalia. MXP has been reduced to a small focus/feeder airport in comparison. Linate sees modest increases.

Summer 2008 AZ Milan-Malpensa European Routes:

BIO 12XW RJ145
MRS 1 DAILY RJ145
CDG 2 DAILY
AMS 1 DAILY
BRU 1 DAILY
TXL 12XW RJ145
DUS 13 XW RJ145
STR 12XW RJ145
MUC 2 DAILY RJ145
ZRH 3 DAILY RJ145
GVA 12XW RJ145
VIE 2 DAILY RJ145
PRG 2 DAILY E170/MD80
BUD 2 DAILY E170
BEG 1 DAILY E170
MSQ 2XW 319
LED 1 DAILY 320
KBP 3XW 320
SVO 1 DAILY 320
IST 1 DAILY MD80
OTP 2 DAILY E170/320
SOF 2 DAILY E170

AZ Linate European Routes Summer 2008:

MAD 2 DAILY
BCN 1 DAILY
CDG 4 DAILY
LHR 5 DAILY
AMS 1 DAILY
BRU 2 DAILY
FRA 12XW

http://www.aviazionecivile.it/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=35454

[Edited 2007-12-21 19:21:04]

[Edited 2007-12-21 19:22:09]

User currently offlineCarfield From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1917 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 9068 times:

Do anyone know if they cancel the LHR-MXP flight?

I was booked on one in June 2008 and no longer found the flight on expertflyer...

Carfield


User currently offlineJoKeR From Serbia, joined Nov 2004, 2238 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 8934 times:

Anyone know the new FCO-BEG schedule?

Thanks!



Kafa, čaj, šraf?
User currently offlineNycfly75 From Italy, joined Aug 2005, 759 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 8688 times:



Quoting Carfield (Reply 10):
Do anyone know if they cancel the LHR-MXP flight?

I was booked on one in June 2008 and no longer found the flight on expertflyer...

Carfield


If you read above you will see it got cancelled.


User currently offlineNycfly75 From Italy, joined Aug 2005, 759 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 8681 times:



Quoting JoKeR (Reply 11):
anyone know the new FCO-BEG schedule?

Two daily from FCO, 1 daily from MXP.


User currently offlineNycfly75 From Italy, joined Aug 2005, 759 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 8670 times:

FCO Longhaul Schedule that has been loaded into the system:

http://www.aviazionecivile.it/forum/...pic.asp?TOPIC_ID=35454&whichpage=3

Nord America:

AZ 608 FCO-JFK 09.50/13.10 (daily 777)
AZ 609 JFK-FCO 16.05/06.15 (daily 777)

AZ 610 FCO-JFK 14.45/18.10 (daily 767)
AZ 611 JFK-FCO 21.05/11.30 (daily 767)

AZ 642 FCO-EWR 11.55/15.30 (daily 767)
AZ 643 EWR-FCO 17.40/08.00 (daily 767)

AZ 620 FCO-LAX 09.10/13.10 (5xw 777)
AZ 621 LAX-FCO 15.10/12.10 (5xw 777)

AZ 630 FCO-MIA 09.25/14.35 (daily 767)
AZ 631 MIA-FCO 16.15/08.05 (daily 767)

AZ 650 FCO-YYZ 11.50/15.45 (daily 767)
AZ 651 YYZ-FCO 17.25/08.00 (daily 767)

AZ 614 FCO-BOS 12.05/15.20 (daily 767)
AZ 615 BOS-FCO 18.00/08.00 (daily 767)

AZ 628 FCO-ORD 14.10/17.50 (daily 767)
AZ 629 ORD-FCO 19.30/12.00 (daily 767)


Sud America:

AZ 680 FCO-EZE 21.45/06.30 (daily 777)
AZ 681 EZE-FCO 12.20/06.10 (daily 777)

AZ 674 FCO-GRU 22.00/04.25 (6xw 777)
AZ 675 GRU-FCO 14.15/06.15 (6xw 777)

AZ 686 FCO-CCS 12.00/16.30 (daily 767)
AZ 687 CCS-FCO 18.50/11.30 (daily 767)


Medio ed Estremo Oriente:

AZ 746 FCO-DXB 14.10/21.55 (6xw 767)
AZ 747 DXB-FCO 01.45/06.05 (6xw 767)

AZ 784 FCO-NRT 14.50/10.00 (daily 777)
AZ 785 NRT-FCO 13.20/19.00 (daily 777)

AZ 792 FCO-KIX 12.00/07.00 (4xw 777)
AZ 793 KIX-FCO 10.05/16.00 (4xw 777)


Africa:

AZ 844 FCO-LOS 15.30/20.15 (LOS-ACC 21.15/21.20) (3xw 767)
AZ 845 ACC-FCO 23.50/07.25 (3xw 767)


User currently offlineJoKeR From Serbia, joined Nov 2004, 2238 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 8642 times:



Quoting Nycfly75 (Reply 13):
Two daily from FCO, 1 daily from MXP.

Thanks! Is that with the E70?



Kafa, čaj, šraf?
User currently offlineNycfly75 From Italy, joined Aug 2005, 759 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 8634 times:



Quoting JoKeR (Reply 15):
Thanks! Is that with the E70?

E70 from MXP

MD80 from FCO

1 of the 2 flights from FCO is a code share with JAT.


User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4918 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 7987 times:



Quoting Nycfly75 (Reply 8):
Malpensa-Londra/Heathrow

Are those LHR being used to increase LIN/FCO or being sold to get AZ some much needed cash? A good move by AZ since their LIN service can serve the Milan-London market and for those to whom MXP is closest, there is still BA (plus EZY to LGW)



Visit the Air Humberside Website and Forum
User currently offlineQLS From Switzerland, joined Jan 2007, 17 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 7945 times:



Quoting Nycfly75 (Reply 9):
Summer 2008 AZ Milan-Malpensa European Routes:

BIO 12XW RJ145
MRS 1 DAILY RJ145
CDG 2 DAILY
AMS 1 DAILY
BRU 1 DAILY
TXL 12XW RJ145
DUS 13 XW RJ145
STR 12XW RJ145
MUC 2 DAILY RJ145
ZRH 3 DAILY RJ145
GVA 12XW RJ145
VIE 2 DAILY RJ145
PRG 2 DAILY E170/MD80
BUD 2 DAILY E170
BEG 1 DAILY E170
MSQ 2XW 319
LED 1 DAILY 320
KBP 3XW 320
SVO 1 DAILY 320
IST 1 DAILY MD80
OTP 2 DAILY E170/320
SOF 2 DAILY E170

AZ Linate European Routes Summer 2008:

MAD 2 DAILY
BCN 1 DAILY
CDG 4 DAILY
LHR 5 DAILY
AMS 1 DAILY
BRU 2 DAILY
FRA 12XW

What about European network out of FCO? Are they going to increase FCO-GVA, FCO-VIE, FCO-ATH... etc...?


User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4976 posts, RR: 51
Reply 19, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 7933 times:

Ok, so Alitalia has 10 767 for next summer, but have assignments for only 8.25

1 - ORD
2 - DXB / 6
3 - JFK
4 - BOS
5 - EWR
6 - YYZ
7 - MIA
8 - CCS
9 - LOSACC / 3 (balance of the aircraft does what?)
10 - unassigned

So let's speculate, what will Alitalia do with the remaining aircrraft?


User currently offlineNycfly75 From Italy, joined Aug 2005, 759 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 7824 times:



Quoting FLYYUL (Reply 19):
So let's speculate, what will Alitalia do with the remaining aircrraft?

I think the only thing you want to speculate MArk is if one of those two 767s are being used for FCO-YUL  Smile


User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4976 posts, RR: 51
Reply 21, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 7816 times:

Meh whatever... just tell me where the balance of the aircrafts are heading, and ill shut up  Smile

User currently offlineNycfly75 From Italy, joined Aug 2005, 759 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 7781 times:



Quoting Humberside (Reply 17):
Are those LHR being used to increase LIN/FCO or being sold to get AZ some much needed cash? A good move by AZ since their LIN service can serve the Milan-London market and for those to whom MXP is closest, there is still BA (plus EZY to LGW)

AZ will have 10 flights/day to LHR. 5 flights from FCO and 5 flights from LIN.

Quoting QLS (Reply 18):
What about European network out of FCO? Are they going to increase FCO-GVA, FCO-VIE, FCO-ATH... etc...?

The schedules are uploaded, check on the AZ website.

http://www.alitalia.com/IT_IT/timetables/index.htm

Use 19 June as a date to check.


User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4918 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 7719 times:



Quoting Nycfly75 (Reply 22):
AZ will have 10 flights/day to LHR. 5 flights from FCO and 5 flights from LIN.

How many LHR flights do they currently have?



Visit the Air Humberside Website and Forum
User currently offlineNycfly75 From Italy, joined Aug 2005, 759 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 7616 times:



Quoting Humberside (Reply 23):
How many LHR flights do they currently have?

Currently:

FCO-LHR 5 daily
LIN-LHR- 4 daily
MXP-LHR: 3 daily


From March, 2008:

FCO-LHR- 5 daily
LIN-LHR- 5 daily
MXP-LHR: Nothing



So AZ will be cutting 2 flights daily from Italy to LHR.


25 SYDBCN : LIN-BCN increases from current 1 Daily to 3 daily (2 x 321, 1 x 319) MXP-BCN from current 3 daily 321 to none Just checked Alitalia timetable for May.
26 Post contains links Laxintl : Well they just sold 3 sets of slots at LHR for 92m Euro's. Full story http://www.reuters.com/article/marketsNews/idUKB67692220071224?rpc=44
27 Nycfly75 : It is three, I looked at a day on the schedule that had 4 instead of the regular flights from Linate. The three slots sold were from MXP. 5 slots rema
28 MAH4546 : I wonder who to. What time were the slots at? $92M kind of says that the slots were probably at a prime time, and it just so happens AA just happened
29 Post contains images BAW716 : NycFly75 Thanks for all the work...you saved me a lot of time, because I was going to look at the connecting possibilities at FCO using the existing s
30 MAH4546 : They aren't allowed to, they simply have not updated their schedules to reflect Alitalia's changes.
31 FLYYUL : Alitalia should have 11 767-300 flying next summer. Currently they have assignment for about 8.33 aircrafts. Keep in mind that during the summer, heav
32 SailorOrion : This smells like even more traffic for Italy's nothernmost airport, MUC. The amount of transfer passengers to/from Italy here is already breathtaking,
33 SJOtoLIR : AZ has been operating MXP-DKR with 320. I am not clear about the possibility of such upgrade on 767 equipment, taking into account that other mainlin
34 BuyantUkhaa : Didn't you say earlier on that those would stay, or is it a correction? Great analysis, but I think more changes will follow once AZ has been taken o
35 Anetter123 : I wonder how the MIA-FCO flight will perform? I was under the impression that MXP would keep its MIA flight. Will the 767 be year round or will it cha
36 Joost : I expect many intercontinental airlines to increase their flights to MXP, including BA, LH, IB and of course AF-KL. Now people flying from MXP will o
37 Flyguy1 : Does anyone know when Airone will start their FCO-JFK service? NYCFLY had mentioned this earlier this year, to be starting in 2008.
38 Nycfly75 : Unknown yet, they just requested the slots, but theres nothing confirmed yet. They would be using A330-200's on the route. FCO Slot Request: FCO S08
39 LipeGIG : I expect that a lot ! AZ will fly a winner route to GIG with all other flights going to Sao Paulo. Felipe
40 MAH4546 : Heard from a reliable source while passing through MIA today, but still a rumor nonetheless, that Alitalia might resume MXP-MIA/EZE for winter 2008/20
41 HBDAN : Thanks a lot for the info! I heard ZRH would be transferred from MXP to FCO. What type of aircraft and how many does AZ have now in MXP? And what abo
42 CARST : When will the summer flight plan start? I have booked flights with Alitalia in March and April 2008. 2008/03/18 TXL-MXP-MIA 2008/04/01 & 2008/04/02 MI
43 LIPZ : I guess you are going to be rebooked via FCO on they way back home as MIA-FCO-TXL AZ 631 MIA 0415pm FCO 0805am 767 AZ 420 FCO 1115am TXL 0135pm M80[E
44 Post contains links CARST : Thank you for that information. How will i get to know that? Will someone let me know? I booked at www.fly.de and they should inform me, right?
45 Post contains links LIPZ : If I were you, first I would call Alitalia offices somewhere in Germany and then www.fly.de
46 BAW716 : Yes, when I go to Italy I will use AZ as well...family is always family, even when you've left (actually in my case, I didn't leave...they just close
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