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LH Leaves MNL  
User currently offlineHugo From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 395 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 9 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 7820 times:

As a LH Senator based in MNL, I am sad to hear that LH will be stop Philippine operations in 2008 after more than 25 years. I realize that MNL is not a high yield city but I am wondering why they just do not downgauge the daily 346 service instead of just pulling out altogether. LH technik has a base here so it makes it even more puzzling...I wonder if politics played a role in this decision, given the dispute between Fraport and the Arroyo administration.

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User currently offlineOHLHD From Finland, joined Dec 2004, 3962 posts, RR: 25
Reply 1, posted (6 years 9 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 7818 times:

I just checked the Amadeus and was given that:

1 LH 788 D FRA 1 MNLI1 2225 1940+1 1 26OCT08 28MAR09 346 14:15

The routing is FRA-CAN-MNL

Can you provide some information where you heard that since the schedule shows the flight until Mar09.  Smile


User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32782 posts, RR: 72
Reply 2, posted (6 years 9 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 7682 times:

The schedules will be changed soon. Manila is being discontinued, leaving KLM as the only European airline at MNL.


a.
User currently offlineDALCE From Netherlands, joined Feb 2007, 1689 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (6 years 9 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 7359 times:

This is new to me aswell, and I'm actually surprised!
A pity that MNL will be discontinued. Perhaps all the seats are needed on the more yielding FRA-CAN stretch, and isn't there enough demand to operated a FRA-MNL-FRA route with 343 equipment. LH is still short of longhaul aircraft.



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User currently onlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17066 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (6 years 9 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 7356 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 2):
Manila is being discontinued, leaving KLM as the only European airline at MNL.

Wow, talk about sole right.!!! This is really not good.



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User currently offlineBrisseDK From Denmark, joined Nov 2007, 383 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 9 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 7310 times:

Do you guys know when this will happen? I''m booked on LH788 FRA-CAN-MNL 26th January and return LH789 MNL-CAN-FRA 10th February. Thanks!

Regards,
BJ



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User currently offlineCloudyapple From Hong Kong, joined Jul 2005, 2454 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (6 years 9 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 7239 times:



Quoting B747forever (Reply 4):
Wow, talk about sole right.!!! This is really not good.

It's not the only carrier that fly to Manila. There are plenty of others offering 1 stop service. Look outside Europe. Cathay, Thai, Singapore, Korean, JAL, Emirates all fly from multiple points in Europe via their respective hubs to Manila. It's not as if your only choice is KLM.

The most direct and quickest flights will be of course Cathay Pacific.



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User currently onlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17066 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (6 years 9 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 7183 times:



Quoting Cloudyapple (Reply 6):
It's not the only carrier that fly to Manila. There are plenty of others offering 1 stop service

I know, but it is the only European carrier.



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User currently offlineAirAmericaC46 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 590 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (6 years 9 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 7148 times:

Sad to hear European carriers are dwindling in MNL. I remember the glory days when BA, AF, SN, SK, SR, AZ and SU all used to fly to MNL. IIRC there was even a daily AF CDG-BKK-MNL flight. Cargowise, I think Cargolux still flies to MNL----anybody knows the schedule? routing?

User currently offlineSandroZRH From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 3428 posts, RR: 50
Reply 9, posted (6 years 9 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 6874 times:



Quoting Cloudyapple (Reply 6):
The most direct and quickest flights will be of course Cathay Pacific.

Except that their presence in Europe is rather limited, making them less ideal for many Europeans.


User currently offlineTrintocan From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2000, 3238 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (6 years 9 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 6760 times:

It is sad to hear LH leave MNL but it seems as though the unstoppable rise of EK, QR, EY and the others of the Middle East may be the real issue. By pooling connections through their respective hubs they are able to offer the destination at lower fares and perhaps greater frequencies than the legacy airlines can. Never mind, I think that KL will continue to be strong on the route. To think that they are able to link MNL to 14 UK destinations via AMS and remembering the large Filipino community in the UK, one can see that success can continue to be theirs.

TrinToCan.



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User currently offlineKa From Switzerland, joined Apr 2000, 661 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (6 years 9 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 6072 times:

There might be a chance that LX will continue its ZRH-HKG flight to MNL (as in the SR-days) and thus creating a LH/LX-mini-hub in HKG similar to what they did in GRU when LH transfered their SCL flight to LX.

KA.



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User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5925 posts, RR: 40
Reply 12, posted (6 years 9 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 5993 times:



Quoting Ka (Reply 11):
There might be a chance that LX will continue its ZRH-HKG flight to MNL (as in the SR-days) and thus creating a LH/LX-mini-hub in HKG similar to what they did in GRU when LH transfered their SCL flight to LX.

would they have full rights on the HKG-MNL-HKG leg?



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User currently offlineEBGflyer From Denmark, joined Sep 2006, 1007 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 9 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 5901 times:

Anyone knows when this will happen?

I'm booked on a flight CPH-FRA-MNL on April 20, 2008.



Future flights: CPH-BKK-MNL; MNL-GUM-TKK-PNI-KSA-KWA-MAJ-HNL-LAX
User currently offlineHugo From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 395 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 9 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4750 times:

LH will cease MNL operations by the end of March 2008. A real pity. They could have done a 3x weekly 343 at least instead of leaving the market to be dominated by the Middle East carriers.

User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5925 posts, RR: 40
Reply 15, posted (6 years 9 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4734 times:



Quoting Hugo (Thread starter):
As a LH Senator based in MNL,

who will get your business, Sky ???



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User currently offlinePlanemanofnz From New Zealand, joined Sep 2005, 1676 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 9 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 4706 times:
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This is very good news for KLM. I wonder if Phillipine Airlines will go back to Europe soon?

User currently offlineBP1 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 593 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (6 years 9 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 4689 times:

I would take Singapore Airlines through Singapore as the service and crew are so much better than what you have experienced on LH (personal opinion). The lounges in Singapore are fantastic. Now if you like the A-340, you can always use Thai and if you are in Business Class, make sure you get the complimentary massage in the Lounge at the new airport in BKK.

You can keep earning Star Alliance miles on TG and SQ and they are both very good carriers.

Regards,
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User currently offlinePlanemanofnz From New Zealand, joined Sep 2005, 1676 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 9 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 4680 times:
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Maybe NZ can fill the Star gap like they have done on LHR-HKG. Rumour has been going around that NZ want to re enter the German market, and if they want to fly via somewhere that LH has a gap around, MNL could be the answer. Virtually all AKL-LHR traffic is local, so any passegers wanting to go between any place in Europe and any place in the Pacific could use this service.

New Zealand and the Phillipines have recently signed an air agreement, so this might just work out.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25332 posts, RR: 22
Reply 19, posted (6 years 9 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4645 times:

Quoting Avianca (Reply 16):
Quoting Hugo (Thread starter):
As a LH Senator based in MNL,

who will get your business, Sky ???

TG and SQ are Star Alliance and both have good one-stop connections MNL-Europe. Since LH's current service is also one-stop, connecting routings are almost as convenient.

Quoting Cloudyapple (Reply 6):
It's not the only carrier that fly to Manila. There are plenty of others offering 1 stop service. Look outside Europe. Cathay, Thai, Singapore, Korean, JAL, Emirates all fly from multiple points in Europe via their respective hubs to Manila. It's not as if your only choice is KLM.

And Etihad, Kuwait, Saudi Arabian, Gulf Air, China Airlines, EVA Air, Malaysian, Royal Brunei, China Southern, Asiana.

The large number of carriers with online connecting service MNL-Europe, and resulting low yields due to the competition, is no doubt a major reason why LH is suspending service.

LH also doesn't have 5th freedom local traffic rights on the CAN-MNL sector so they're always flying empty seats on that 689 nm sector.

[Edited 2007-12-22 19:38:56]

User currently offlineHugo From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 395 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 9 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4603 times:

Thanks for responses and advice. While LH certainly does not have the service levels of carriers like SQ, I have just grown accustomed to their schedule and no-nonsense efficiency. That said, I think I can get very used to flying SQ.

User currently offlineLurveBus From Philippines, joined Mar 2007, 286 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (6 years 9 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4340 times:



Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 19):
Maybe NZ can fill the Star gap like they have done on LHR-HKG. Rumour has been going around that NZ want to re enter the German market, and if they want to fly via somewhere that LH has a gap around, MNL could be the answer. Virtually all AKL-LHR traffic is local, so any passegers wanting to go between any place in Europe and any place in the Pacific could use this service.

New Zealand and the Phillipines have recently signed an air agreement, so this might just work out.

3pw with NZ carriers being granted 5th freedom to China from CRK, and not MNL might be a little too restrictive for that kind of routing.

Quoting EBGflyer (Reply 13):
I'm booked on a flight CPH-FRA-MNL on April 20, 2008.

I'd call LH and ask about that. Looks like you might be affected.



I wonder, though, I thought one of the reasons why LH flew to MNL was to have a supposedly moneymaking excuse to send their A346's to the LH Technik there. I guess no more A-checks in MNL, then.


User currently offlineAbrelosojos From Venezuela, joined May 2005, 5098 posts, RR: 55
Reply 22, posted (6 years 9 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4156 times:



Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 19):
Maybe NZ can fill the Star gap like they have done on LHR-HKG. Rumour has been going around that NZ want to re enter the German market, and if they want to fly via somewhere that LH has a gap around, MNL could be the answer. Virtually all AKL-LHR traffic is local, so any passegers wanting to go between any place in Europe and any place in the Pacific could use this service.

New Zealand and the Phillipines have recently signed an air agreement, so this might just work out.

= I do not think that makes much business sense. MNL is super low yield and there is not much of a demand to justify a daily frequency on either AKL-MNL or MNL-FRA. Of course, there might be on AKL-FRA ... and given NZ's usual aim, I would think this flight would have to be daily for business pax.

This is sad news. I remember taking LH when their flight was routed via BKK several times as a young economist with the ADB in Manila. The entire J cabin was filled with diplo crowd.

Cheers,
A.



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User currently offlineJfidler From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 360 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3827 times:

Sad news indeed. I flew this flight twice this year. It was the shortest routing to MNL from TLL on a Star Alliance carrier. I guess now I'll have to go with SQ or TG. Last time I priced out the flight on SQ from FRA, it came to double the price of the LH flight.

User currently offlineEBGflyer From Denmark, joined Sep 2006, 1007 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3396 times:

Same problem for me. BKK is always very expensive during high season and SQ will always be. One way to come around this is to fly LH either to Guangzhou, Hong Kong or even Kuala Lumpur and take the last leg with Cebu Pacific or one of the other lowfare-airlines. That way you should be able to do it for less than 1000 EUR.


Future flights: CPH-BKK-MNL; MNL-GUM-TKK-PNI-KSA-KWA-MAJ-HNL-LAX
25 ZRH : I don't think so. As Fraport is not LH but another company. Or perhaps continuing the BKK flight instead to SIN to MNL because SQ will soon fly twice
26 Post contains images SKA380 : EBGflyer: I travel 2 times a year to MNL, and this sure is sad news.. But instead of LH to HKG or BKK check out Finnair from CPH - HEL - HKG and then
27 EBGflyer : I wouldn't be surprised if it's cheap. However, Finnair is not part of *A, so no thanks! The cheapest CPH-HKG fares are usually with LH anyway!
28 6thfreedom : If there was not enough to traffic to justify a non-stop FRA-MNL service by LH, I doubt that NZ would make it work, even at reduced frequencies... Th
29 HT : This was also my idea, especially as the BKK - SIN tag-on was put into question recently when SQ announced to go double daily on SIN to ZRH. That fac
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