RoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 10562 posts, RR: 52
Reply 4, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 44173 times:
Queenstown New Zealand has a difficult approach. It hasn't been that long that 737s and A320s have been flying there. It used to only be props.
Quoting Loalq (Reply 3): Amazing you noted that! I have flown many time to LCY and never felt like it was that uncommon...
As a passenger you might not notice, but pilots will. The glide slope at LCY is 5.5 degrees. Normal airports are 3 degrees. So you are coming in at almost twice the vertical speed. It makes it more difficult especially if a go around has to happen.
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LTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 14134 posts, RR: 47
Reply 6, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 44190 times:
Add TGU to the list. Not only is it full of obstacles, it's a visual approach full of obstacles, where you fly basically close to the ground when making the final turn and land on a short runway, almost Kai Tak style.
AlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 13
Reply 7, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 43993 times:
The two most "heart thumping" approaches that I have flown have been while flying into CUZ (Cusco, Peru) and DOM (Melvin Hall, Dominica.) Both involve coming down through some hills and some very steep turns.
Cloudyapple From Hong Kong, joined Jul 2005, 2458 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 43837 times:
Quoting BP1 (Reply 1): The angle of descent at London City Airport! That certainly is my vote. Along with Aspen, Eagle and Telluride, Colorado and the mountains.
Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 4): As a passenger you might not notice, but pilots will. The glide slope at LCY is 5.5 degrees. Normal airports are 3 degrees. So you are coming in at almost twice the vertical speed. It makes it more difficult especially if a go around has to happen.
True but everything that goes on at LC has been properly considered and risk assessed. All aircraft that use LC are specially certified to make that 5.5deg descent. Only small and capable aircraft are allowed therefore descending at double the normal rate wouldn't be an argument. Pilots who come in to LC are well trained about the approach. If the approach was any dangerous, CAA/SRG wouldn't have approved it. I would consider it a more difficult approach but certainly not dangerous.
is there any list about the top 20 of most dangerous airports (approaches)??
There are no dangerous apps, since every approach chart is being studied carefully by every pilot...... dangerous is flying into countries that have no securities standards such as Colombia.....AA crashed cuz pilots typed the rong NDB, this was the main couse, but what kind of countries have no radar ?
Eghansen From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 43419 times:
I believe that Congonhas is considered a very bad approach (though I admit I have not flown there). It has very short runways, is surrounded by dense populations and high rises on all sides. That is why they had a terrific accident there a few months ago.
MATURRO727 From Colombia, joined Apr 2004, 312 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 43133 times:
Quoting PU752 (Reply 14): There are no dangerous apps, since every approach chart is being studied carefully by every pilot...... dangerous is flying into countries that have no securities standards such as Colombia.....AA crashed cuz pilots typed the rong NDB, this was the main couse, but what kind of countries have no radar ?
thats not completely true, AA's accident in CLO had lots of key factors, and yes, by that time we didn't have the most advanced technology. Many factors played a role that night and one of the biggest mistakes were because the crew punched the R.(Romeo) NDB 274 which is an external marker from both runways at BOG, and that was purely human error because when they felt that they were kind of confused, and that definately something was wrong(a night approach with high mountains)what they should have done was to climb to an object clearance altitude. And lets not forget that pilots that are unfamiliar with the airport/approach procedures must check twice in order that everything is working just fine. for example when the capt. at that AA flight punched the R key at his FMC, the display showed a list of NDB's that had the same letter but obviously not the same frequency in the ADF system, what the Capt should have done was to corroborate that the info in his charts matched correctly with the info shown in his FMC to know exactly which one was the correct.
Now i'm not sure if by that time CLO airport had a NDB named with the R letter(now days it doesn't), if so the crew defenetly had to do what is mencioned avbove, if not they were very very confused by that time. Anyway R.I.P for all who die that night.
Now getting back into the topic, i know that MZL or SKMZ (Manizales) is one of the most challenging approches in the world, low visibility, sourrounded by mountains and only VFR, that one defenetly need's to be on that list. And maybe EOH is also very difficult.
HNLtrades118 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 44 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 42364 times:
I agree with KTM. Though I've never flown out there, it sounds crazy, descending like a maniac into the valley. I would also chalk up the circling approach at ADQ.
In regards to DUT, I think the runway length (3,900 feet) has more to do with the "danger" factor than the approach itself. Before AS discontinued their ANC-DUT flights, they routinely put the 737-200 on that runway. Crazy stuff.
That aside, these approaches make the channel visual at HNL look like a piece of cake!
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LHRjc From Netherlands, joined Apr 2006, 1964 posts, RR: 18
Reply 22, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 41988 times:
KEYW in a PA28 when there's a 30kt gusting crosswind, a flock of Turkey Vultures circling on final, and being told to expedite approach as there's a CRJ behind you... Trust me, that felt pretty dangerous
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