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Iraqi Airways In Boeing Talks  
User currently offlineFlying-Tiger From Germany, joined Aug 1999, 4161 posts, RR: 36
Posted (6 years 9 months 1 day ago) and read 7999 times:



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The airline was in talks to buy up to 10 aircraft from Boeing Co (BA.N: Quote, Profile, Research), Rekani said.

"We want to open the company to the market early next year," Rekani said. "We will reinvest in new equipment," he said.

http://www.reuters.com/article/marke...News/idINL2337297420071223?rpc=611

Guess we are talking about a B737/787 combo here.


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User currently offlineFCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (6 years 9 months 1 day ago) and read 7960 times:

Another rumor some months ago , IA will receive some A320s.
What is the true ?


User currently offlineOHLHD From Finland, joined Dec 2004, 3962 posts, RR: 25
Reply 2, posted (6 years 9 months 23 hours ago) and read 7850 times:

Best is that we bring this topic up once they have ordered some aircraft.  Smile

User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12146 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (6 years 9 months 22 hours ago) and read 7792 times:



Quoting Flying-Tiger (Thread starter):
Guess we are talking about a B737/787 combo here.



Quoting FCKC (Reply 1):
Another rumor some months ago , IA will receive some A320s.
What is the true ?

I think IA can still live with their B-727-200s for a few more years, so there isn't much need right now for a NB short/medimum haul airplane. What IA needs to replace is their long haul WB fleet. Their B-747-200s and SPs are very old and worn out.

I see (if this is true) an order for 5 B-777-200LRs and 5 B-777-300ERs.

Future orders could include B-747-8i/Fs, B-777-200Fs, and B-787-3s/-8s/-9s. I don't think IA can wait for the A-350 models, but I would not rule out an A-330-200/-300 order as an interuim airplane (it seems that is what the A-330 is being sold as, by Airbus, until A-350s or B-787s can be delivered). The NB fleet will not be replaced until we see a follow-on model to the B-737s and A-320s.


User currently offlineReggaebird From Jamaica, joined Nov 1999, 1176 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 9 months 22 hours ago) and read 7795 times:

Politics will dictate that this order goes to Boeing. Airbus being a company dominated by French and German interests, will lose out because the French and Germans did not participate in the "liberation". Don't be surprised to see 737s and new 767s as well as a few 777s for service to the USA and Canada. I would not expect orders for any 787s at this time.

Reggaebird


User currently offlineJonathan-l From France, joined Mar 2002, 504 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 9 months 22 hours ago) and read 7726 times:

Iraqi Airways has an outstanding order for 5 A310-300 back from the early 90s.

User currently offlineAlbird87 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (6 years 9 months 22 hours ago) and read 7689 times:

Just out of interest.... Where does IA fly to at the moment??

Also what is in their fleet?


User currently offlineBmacleod From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 2275 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 9 months 21 hours ago) and read 7566 times:

Quoting Albird87 (Reply 6):
Just out of interest.... Where does IA fly to at the moment?? Also what is in their fleet?

Mostly domestic inside Iraq and the Middle East - Jordan, Syria, UAE.

The lone 767 seems to be for government flights only...

A few 727s and 737s seem to be it at the moment.

[Edited 2007-12-23 06:36:55]


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User currently offlineERAUgrad02 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1227 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 9 months 20 hours ago) and read 7511 times:

Maybe they'll order some 767's. They are cheap and still pretty efficient especially with winglets.


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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12146 posts, RR: 51
Reply 9, posted (6 years 9 months 19 hours ago) and read 7418 times:



Quoting Jonathan-l (Reply 5):
Iraqi Airways has an outstanding order for 5 A310-300 back from the early 90s.

I think we can all consider that order cancelled. Airbus doesn't build the A-310 anymore, and IA is under no obligation to replace that order with any current Airbus airplane. Whatever contract that was, between the then IA, the Iraqi Government, and EADS/Airbus, the IA and that Iraqi Government does not exsist anymore.

Quoting ERAUgrad02 (Reply 8):
Maybe they'll order some 767's. They are cheap and still pretty efficient especially with winglets.

That is true, and they can get fairly good delivery dates on them. The B-767 is about the only airplane offered that you can order today and get within 2 years, or less.


User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 9 months 19 hours ago) and read 7390 times:



Quoting Jonathan-l (Reply 5):
Iraqi Airways has an outstanding order for 5 A310-300 back from the early 90s.

If those deposits are still valid perhaps they could transfer them to A330s. But surely there are safety issues surrounding the possibility of this airline launching long haul flights to the west.


User currently offlineFCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (6 years 9 months 7 hours ago) and read 6762 times:

Bmacleod

They do not have the 767 anymore , as it is with Royal Falcon of Jordan.

This 767 was the presidential aircraft , and is replaced by an A300B4 (YI-APX) donated by Iran (Ex Mahan Air).


User currently offlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2707 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (6 years 9 months 7 hours ago) and read 6757 times:



Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 9):
I think we can all consider that order cancelled. Airbus doesn't build the A-310 anymore, and IA is under no obligation to replace that order with any current Airbus airplane. Whatever contract that was, between the then IA, the Iraqi Government, and EADS/Airbus, the IA and that Iraqi Government does not exsist anymore.

Do you know that for a fact? It looks like Airbus doesn't think so since they still show the order on their spreadsheet as being unfilled.

http://www.airbus.com/odxml/orders_and_deliveries.xls

Quoting EI321 (Reply 10):
If those deposits are still valid perhaps they could transfer them to A330s. But surely there are safety issues surrounding the possibility of this airline launching long haul flights to the west.

I would assume the deposits on those would be honored for future aircraft from Airbus and they are not just planning on pocketing the cash. I am sure Airbus is thinking they could use it as a carrot...


User currently offlineLimaNiner From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 400 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 9 months 6 hours ago) and read 6479 times:

I wonder if this will truly be new (as in new-build) equipment, or if it could be that they're talking about used Boeings?

User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8675 posts, RR: 15
Reply 14, posted (6 years 9 months 6 hours ago) and read 6449 times:



Quoting LimaNiner (Reply 13):
I wonder if this will truly be new (as in new-build) equipment, or if it could be that they're talking about used Boeings?

I think it would be new builds if they can get a good deal on them.

If Iraqi Air orders new planes, I expect a few 738's or 739Er and 767's or 772LR.

MCOflyer



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User currently offlineCsturdiv From Australia, joined Aug 2005, 1471 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (6 years 9 months 6 hours ago) and read 6404 times:



Quoting Bmacleod (Reply 7):
A few 727s and 737s seem to be it at the moment.

Are those their aircraft or are they leased and operated by somebody else? I think they are using metal from Teebah Airlines and Dolphin Air if I am not mistaken.



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User currently offlineFrancoflier From France, joined Oct 2001, 3761 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (6 years 9 months 6 hours ago) and read 6328 times:

Somehow I didn't see IA as a potential new frame buyer. Considering their size and resources, I thought they would orient themselves towards getting secondhand or leased frames first before doing any 'serious' ordering.
But political involvement will probably help them.
In any case, good news, it'll be nice to see Iraqi Airways flying new metal!



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User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12566 posts, RR: 46
Reply 17, posted (6 years 9 months 3 hours ago) and read 5845 times:
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Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 9):
I think we can all consider that order cancelled.

Airbus clearly doesn't.  wink 

Those deposits could easily be transferred to other types. Look at AR's long-dormant A346 order.

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 9):
The B-767 is about the only airplane offered that you can order today and get within 2 years, or less.

At the end of November Boeing had a backlog of 53 767s and is delivering about one a month. How can anyone order and get a new 767 in less than 2 years?  scratchchin 



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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12146 posts, RR: 51
Reply 18, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 5209 times:



Quoting United787 (Reply 12):
Do you know that for a fact? It looks like Airbus doesn't think so since they still show the order on their spreadsheet as being unfilled.

http://www.airbus.com/odxml/orders_a...s.xls

They also show airlines like DL (9 A-310-300s) and Eastern (34 A-300B4s). Eastern Airlines isn't even in business anymore, but Airbus still shows them on this list. DL dumped the A-310s years ago (they never actually ordered these airplane, they were PA birds, the PA order is also on the list). Airbus never takes airlines off this list, and everyone here at a.net knows that.

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 17):
At the end of November Boeing had a backlog of 53 767s and is delivering about one a month. How can anyone order and get a new 767 in less than 2 years?

If Boeing doubled B-767 production (to 2 per month), that would make IA deliveries in 2 years, wouldn't it? It is not difficult for Boeing to double the B-767 production. They are going to have to do better than that when they win the KC-45 tanker compitition (current RFP calls for 12-15 tankers delivered per year).


User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4784 posts, RR: 43
Reply 19, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 5077 times:

What IA needs more than anything are FREIGHTERS...that is where they can make money these days. They should scout the market for used B 767s and AB6s and have them converted to freighters.

As far as the pax side is concerned, until the law & order improves in Iraq on a dramatic scale, IA doesnt need anything larger than a B 738 which can be easily flown to key gateway airports nonstop within the region such as AMM, DXB, JED, DAM and IST.


User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12146 posts, RR: 51
Reply 20, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 5057 times:



Quoting Behramjee (Reply 19):
What IA needs more than anything are FREIGHTERS...that is where they can make money these days. They should scout the market for used B 767s and AB6s and have them converted to freighters.

That is true, But there aren't many B-767s or A-300-600R/Fs available right now.


User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12566 posts, RR: 46
Reply 21, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4897 times:
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Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 18):
It is not difficult for Boeing to double the B-767 production.

It is far from simple for Boeing to just "double 767 production". Many items and components have long lead times and Boeing's suppliers are producing at the current rate - they can't just double overnight. It is a far from trivial task and Boeing will remember what happened the last time they tried to ramp up production quickly.

Airbus is looking to take something like four years to go from 30 to 40 A32x a month (and that includes 4 a month from the Chinese FAL). Controlled increases in production rates are not easy.



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User currently offlineZuluLima From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 320 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4755 times:



Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 3):
Their B-747-200s and SPs are very old and worn out.

They have one 747SP sitting in at Tozeur in Tunisia that has VERY low hours and cycles and is maintained periodically, according to 747sp.com. I've been hoping someone would get it back in service, as it has years of useful life left.

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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12146 posts, RR: 51
Reply 23, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 4587 times:



Quoting ZuluLima (Reply 22):
They have one 747SP sitting in at Tozeur in Tunisia that has VERY low hours and cycles and is maintained periodically, according to 747sp.com. I've been hoping someone would get it back in service, as it has years of useful life left.

c/n22858


New paint scheme please.

Yes, bring this bird back into service, BAD-JFK.

IA really does need a


User currently offlineERAUgrad02 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1227 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4502 times:

What engines did this model and -100/-300 use?


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25 Post contains links FlyingClrs727 : When is the IATA going to change its code for Baghdad International Airport from SDA? According to the Great Cirlcle Mapper website, it's still SDA to
26 United787 : Airbus won't be taking Eastern and PanAm off their list because they actually ordered and received aircraft from Airbus at one time. If you look at t
27 Scbriml : Those are historical orders. Airbus lists them just as Boeing lists all its historical orders (including those for airlines like PanAm and TWA).
28 Post contains images SA7700 : Do they? I can not find SA's historical 777 order.
29 KC135TopBoom : I don't recall IA ever flying the B-747-100 or -300. They flew the B-747-200 and -SP, both models were equipped with P&W JT-9Ds. That is because FedE
30 Vincewy : What's wrong with this livery? It's awesome, would you rather have an all-white livery around fuselage and just a green logo?
31 KC135TopBoom : A smooth desert tan would be nice. There really isn't much green in Iraq.
32 Post contains links Scbriml : As far as I know, SAA never firmed-up their intended 777 order. Which would explain why Boeing doesn't list it. http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/1
33 ZuluLima : Actually I think I would really like it if not for the white on top of the fuselage, the shape it creates is somewhat lopsided to me. The tail is per
34 Post contains images Scbriml : IMHO, there's absolutely nothing wrong with those colours. I think they'd look just as good today as they did back in the '70s!
35 Star12 : Actually, there is quite a lot of green here in Iraq. It is only really the West of the country that is desert. The plains around the Tigris and Euph
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