F.pier From Italy, joined Aug 2000, 1517 posts, RR: 11 Posted (5 years 6 months 8 hours ago) and read 4062 times:
If I were in them I'd sell that seat ticket.
I'd buy it immediately. I've always dreamt to fly in the cockpit, but I've never done it.
I think I'd pay a good ticket to make it.....
EWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5522 posts, RR: 57 Reply 2, posted (5 years 6 months 8 hours ago) and read 4025 times:
Quoting F.pier (Thread starter): If I were in them I'd sell that seat ticket.
I'd buy it immediately. I've always dreamt to fly in the cockpit, but I've never done it.
I think I'd pay a good ticket to make it.....
Other than an a.netters dream come true, not going to happen.
Nickwm From Italy, joined Oct 2007, 19 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (5 years 6 months 7 hours ago) and read 3889 times:
Quoting DeltaGuy (Reply 5): who wants a Ryanair pax in the cockpit anywho?
What?????? Ryanair pasengers are no different from any others as far as I can see (cattle class at any rate) ... the whole point is that the EU are never going allow something like this to happen after 9/11.
Cheers, Nick
Come rendere difficile il facile attraverso l'inutile
Tonystan From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 1191 posts, RR: 2 Reply 7, posted (5 years 6 months 5 hours ago) and read 3696 times:
UM....9/11.......
Passengers allowed sit in flight deck...shortly after take off they attack the pilots!!! Now why on earth would any airline be stupid enough to allow their planes be suspect in similiar future attacks under revised SOP's????
Mhodgson From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2002, 5047 posts, RR: 29 Reply 8, posted (5 years 6 months 4 hours ago) and read 3616 times:
Quoting JRadier (Reply 4): can you back this up? As far as I'm aware it is still possible, but company policy might disallow it or make it at captains discretion
I could be mistaken - I'm thinking of the MyTravel incident where the pilot was fired for allowing a passenger on the flight deck. I thought it was JAA/CAA wide, though maybe it is down to company policy.
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Pilotpip From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3084 posts, RR: 12 Reply 9, posted (5 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3363 times:
Regulations aside, I wouldn't want them up there from a safety standpoint. We have a job to do, and don't need somebody who has no clue of what is going on or worse, thinks they know what's going on up there running their mouth and getting in the way.
MD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 13369 posts, RR: 64 Reply 10, posted (5 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3266 times:
Quoting Pilotpip (Reply 9): Regulations aside, I wouldn't want them up there from a safety standpoint. We have a job to do, and don't need somebody who has no clue of what is going on or worse, thinks they know what's going on up there running their mouth and getting in the way.
Exactly. They guys (and gals) up front have a job to do (fly the aeroplane from A to B). Their job is NOT to entertain passengers.
And what about safety training? LH, for example, restricted jumpseating to flight crew and technical staff only, LH office staff were not allowed to fly in the cockpit or F/A jumpseat. The reason was that if you sit on a F/A jumpseat, you are expected to be able to open the door, blow the slide and help in a possible evacuation. In the flight deck you were supposed to know how to operate the safety equipment (oxygen mask, emergency exit). Flight crew got trained in it, maintenance staff knew how it worked since they had to fix it, but other personnel were not trained for it.
Sevenair From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 1728 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (5 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3219 times:
Quoting Nickwm (Reply 6): What?????? Ryanair pasengers are no different from any others as far as I can see (cattle class at any rate) ... the whole point is that the EU are never going allow something like this to happen after 9/11.
I find this offensive and obscene. And anyway, FR fly more ABC1 ('posh') people than BA - which is often touted as an airline for people with class by many on here.
You rarely hear of FR planes making emergency landings to dump abusive/dodgy/obtrusive pax. Unlike BA - who almost lost an entire 747 because one of its passengers burst in to the cockpit and put the plane in to a dive.
It recieves 1000 air rage reports every year and reported a 400% increase in such incidents. In fact, an REM singer made an ass of himself onboard a BA flight. And they infact introduced a 'yellow card' system for disruptive pax! In fact, most of the incidents I recall stemmed from the J/F cabins.
So it would seem that there is a correlation between your 'class' and the likelyhood of causing a scene. The richer you are - the more likely you are to act like an ass onboard.
I realise I am being highly controvertial by mentioning BA - on a lighter note - watch this video, substitute the word 'Britney' with 'British Airways' - and voila - you have half of the people on this forum.
What I meant was they are no different from your average traveller on any other airline, not your so-called "rich" passengers who make a***s of themselves 'cause they think they have the right to. Also, I don't see how you quoting one example of a so-called "showbiz personality" creating on a flight entitles you to infer any correlation between my "class" and anyone else. I'm talking about Jeo Public who takes a flight to get from A to B for whatever reason and doesn't get on the plane with the intent of creating a scene, accepts whatever service is provided and tries to behave courteously and politely to the cabin crew, like the majority of passengers do, at least in my experience. At any rate, my comment was not intended to cause offence to anyone.
Cheers, Nick
Come rendere difficile il facile attraverso l'inutile
Bramble From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 13, posted (5 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3185 times:
Quoting JRadier (Reply 4): can you back this up? As far as I'm aware it is still possible, but company policy might disallow it or make it at captains discretion
JAAR ops says someting along the lines of " only accredited employees,persons known to the captain and aviation regulation staff may travel in the cockpit"
Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 2): Other than an a.netters dream come true, not going to happen.
Considering the people we have to move from exit rows as unsuitable (they can pre select seats on my airline) think of the nutters we would have to disallow to travel jumpseat. At least staff in the J/S know "only to speak when spoken to".
ChristianLee15 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 14, posted (5 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3135 times:
I actually personally think the next move for them would be charging for emergency exit row seats. Knowing them, they'd probably slap it on as 'Premium Economy' and charge you an extra 15 quid for it.
Icarus75 From France, joined Oct 2003, 769 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (5 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3115 times:
Two weeks ago, flying from MXP to CDG with AF, the flight was delayed (again) by 20mn.
One of the passenger, supposed to take a connection to Clermont-Ferrand, spoke about that to the pursuer.
5 minutes later, he came back and bring the passenger to the cockpit in order for her to be the first one to deplane and catch her connection!
Cschleic From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 1053 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (5 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2681 times:
Although the jumpseat isn't an option, maybe they could sell space in the cargo hold. Probably lots available. Just bring plenty of clothes to keep warm. Since there aren't any windows, they could sell large advertising space on the walls, too. A money maker waiting to happen!
RJdxer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 17, posted (5 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2533 times:
Quoting JRadier (Reply 4): can you back this up? As far as I'm aware it is still possible, but company policy might disallow it or make it at captains discretion
I would find it hard to believe that any airline would not have a policy regarding who is allowed on the flight deck. The captain would have little to say about it unless it was an emergency.
Quoting Pilotpip (Reply 9): We have a job to do, and don't need somebody who has no clue of what is going on or worse, thinks they know what's going on up there running their mouth and getting in the way.
Yeah, you'd never get the paper read if they allowed any Tom, Dick, or Harry up there!
I remember leaving Ambergris Cay in Belieze a few years ago via the Cessana Caravan. I was going to sit up front but the pilot blocked my way. He pointed to the chick with her boobs falling out and said "I need her up here for balance". So when it comes to sitting in the FO's seat in Belieze, it's what's up front that counts!
SandroZRH From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 3385 posts, RR: 51 Reply 18, posted (5 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2519 times:
Quoting RJdxer (Reply 17): I would find it hard to believe that any airline would not have a policy regarding who is allowed on the flight deck. The captain would have little to say about it unless it was an emergency.
Every airline has it's own policy and it's still perfectly possible to to get a jumpseat rider in Europe. Remember, we're not the US, serucity paranoism hasn't quite developed to that level it has over there (yet?), luckily
PGNCS From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 2519 posts, RR: 44 Reply 20, posted (5 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2353 times:
Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 18): Every airline has it's own policy and it's still perfectly possible to to get a jumpseat rider in Europe. Remember, we're not the US, serucity paranoism hasn't quite developed to that level it has over there (yet?), luckily
It isn't paranoia after 19 people destroyed four of our planes and killed thousands of our citizens.
GRZ-AIR From Austria, joined Apr 2001, 573 posts, RR: 4 Reply 21, posted (5 years 5 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2255 times:
Quote: It isn't paranoia after 19 people destroyed four of our planes and killed thousands of our citizens.
Now what exactly did the strict rule in the U.S. of NOT ALLOWING anyone but Flightcrew in the cockpit do to hinder what happened? Nothing..
If there is a co-worker, family member of the flight crew or a person known to the flight crew (friends etc..) on board why should they not be allowed on to the flight deck? All they do is sit put and look.. if one is distracting you can always throw them out.
Sh0rtybr0wn From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 528 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (5 years 5 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2246 times:
Quoting GRZ-AIR (Reply 21): All they do is sit put and look.. if one is distracting you can always throw them out.
Have you ever heard of this major incident : Aeroflot Flight 593
Check it out. There's an air disaster documentary about it. Even if the lucky person was vetted for 9/11 type security reasons, it would be distracting to pilots.
By the time they decide to kick the pax / family member out, the sterile cockpit could have been compromised enough to make a serious mistake.
But I would pay a whole lot of money to ride in that seat.
PGNCS From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 2519 posts, RR: 44 Reply 24, posted (5 years 5 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 2217 times:
Quoting GRZ-AIR (Reply 21): Quote:
It isn't paranoia after 19 people destroyed four of our planes and killed thousands of our citizens.
Now what exactly did the strict rule in the U.S. of NOT ALLOWING anyone but Flightcrew in the cockpit do to hinder what happened? Nothing..
No good can come of it.
It is a non sequitur that because the 19 hijackers weren't jumpseaters, that it is a good idea to allow extraneous people into the cockpit. Non pilots on the jumpseat are a distraction at best and a security risk at worst. Sh0rtybr0wn correctly brings up the case of Aeroflot 593. While that was surely due more to poor decision making on the crew's part than the presence of the jumpseaters per se, their presence obviously was at the root cause of the accident.
I ride the jumpseat a lot, and like JayDub, do not look forward to the experience, especially on a CRJ.
25 JayDub: I'm planning on being on the jumpseat in an EMB-120 Brasilia and a CRJ-900 tomorrow (killing 2 birds with one stone, getting my observation time in a
26 57AZ: Jump seats are a pain, regardless of whether you're on a plane or on a tour coach-yes, some coaches have jump seats that fold up against the back of
27 B6MoneyGuyJFK: I'm an airline employee, and can fly in the cabin crew jumpseat, but I've always wanted to sit on the flight deck. I wrote a very nice letter to the c
28 LHR27C: From what I understand the CAA is able to ban UK airlines from allowing jumpseats to ordinary pax, anywhere in the world, but not overseas airlines i
29 HAWK21M: Out here.As on date.Only Scheduled Crew members can access the Flight Deck between Chocks off to Chocks on. regds MEL
30 Sabenapilot: Something which often gets lost in this kind of international fora where posters from all over the world post their opinion, sometimes correct, often
31 Alessandro: But Ryan operates also outside EU, would it be allowed on those flights?
32 Sabenapilot: The place where the plane flies has nothing to do with it really, what counts is the country of registration of the plane. Once a plane is in flight,
33 RJdxer: I've always thought the same. If they had an empty station in the forward cargo bin of a wide body I'd be perfectly happy to build a bench in a ULD c
34 Voodoo: Maybe if the rules were revised.... 'guests/pax may occupy jumpseats if they strip naked and wear Hannibal Lector transit/confinement masks, handcuffs
35 BAW716: C'mon folks...we gotta get real here. Jumpseats are for crew. Cockpit access, forget it. 9/11 ruined it for everybody. Just pay the few quid that Ryan
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