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Huge Delays On Jetblue This Evening  
User currently offlineJustPlanes From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 887 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 12 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5669 times:

Was expecting some people off Jetblue from JFK and flights are 3-4-5 hours delayed... Checked other destinations and also notice big delays... is this just Jetblue or is there something going on at JFK tonight?

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User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (6 years 12 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5664 times:

Go look at a weather map, current for 9:57pm, Eastern time.

Heavy rains and windy conditions in the East. Heavy snows and high winds in the Midwest.

Anymore questions, or would a picture of that map help?



Here's the latest from the FAA:

EWR: "Due to WEATHER / WIND, there is a Traffic Management Program in effect for traffic arriving Newark International Airport, Newark, NJ (EWR). This is causing some arriving flights to be delayed an average of 4 hours and 32 minutes. To see if you may be affected, select your departure airport and check "Delays by Destination""

LGA: "Due to WEATHER / WIND, there is a Traffic Management Program in effect for traffic arriving La Guardia Airport, New York, NY (LGA). This is causing some arriving flights to be delayed an average of 3 hours and 16 minutes. To see if you may be affected, select your departure airport and check "Delays by Destination"."

My link to the FAA site just crapped out, but delays are also major at JFK, PHL and ORD.

[Edited 2007-12-23 19:06:45]

User currently onlineAlias1024 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2808 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (6 years 12 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5637 times:

Well, according to my I-Phone the weather has passed New York  Wink


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User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (6 years 12 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5613 times:

Quoting Alias1024 (Reply 2):
Well, according to my I-Phone the weather has passed New York

Just because the weather clears doesn't suddenly mean there will be no more delays. It's like with a major auto accident-the traffic doesn't immediately go back to normal the second the accident clears off the road.  

And, sorry, but I'll trust the FAA with the and weather status over your I-Phone.

[Edited 2007-12-23 19:08:25]

User currently offlineDLOnur From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 290 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (6 years 12 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5590 times:



Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 3):

Just because the weather clears doesn't suddenly mean there will be no more delays. It's like with a major auto accident-the traffic doesn't immediately go back to normal the second the accident clears off the road.

And, sorry, but I'll trust the FAA with the and weather status over your I-Phone.

[Edited 2007-12-23 19:08:25]

I think he was joking....



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User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (6 years 12 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5568 times:

Link is back up for me.

JFK: "Due to WEATHER / WIND, there is a Traffic Management Program in effect for traffic arriving John F Kennedy International Airport, New York, NY (JFK). This is causing some arriving flights to be delayed an average of 4 hours and 5 minutes. To see if you may be affected, select your departure airport and check "Delays by Destination"

ORD: "Due to WEATHER / WIND, there is a Traffic Management Program in effect for traffic arriving Chicago OHare International Airport, Chicago, IL (ORD). This is causing some arriving flights to be delayed an average of 3 hours and 45 minutes. To see if you may be affected, select your departure airport and check "Delays by Destination".

PHL: "Due to WEATHER / LOW CEILINGS, there is a Traffic Management Program in effect for traffic arriving Philadelphia International Airport, Philadelphia, PA (PHL). This is causing some arriving flights to be delayed an average of 2 hours and 42 minutes. To see if you may be affected, select your departure airport and check "Delays by Destination"."


One of my dearest friends in the world works in System Ops for JetBlue, and she also reports severe windshear at HPN currently. They're having a rough night there, as is CO's ops at EWR, AA and DL's at JFK, as well, I am sure.


User currently offlineJustPlanes From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 887 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 12 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5568 times:

Yes, many flights have around 60mins delay... but a lot of Jetblue flights are 3-4 hours delayed...

User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (6 years 12 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5568 times:



Quoting DLOnur (Reply 4):
think he was joking....

I think you're right, now that I look again, but that's the answer I get so often at work, or "well, my wife lives 30 minutes from the airport, and it's FINE there!"

You get tired of dumb sometime, sorry. Alias1024.  Smile


User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (6 years 12 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5545 times:



Quoting JustPlanes (Reply 6):
but a lot of Jetblue flights are 3-4 hours delayed...

Again, JFK is currently AVERAGING delays of just over 4 hours, which explains it.


User currently offlinePHLwok From United States of America, joined May 2007, 527 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 12 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5470 times:

One thing I've always wondered about these delays - at the moment, part of the JFK ATC delay listed on the FAA OIS site says:

MAXIMUM DELAY: 1274
AVERAGE DELAY: 245.4
IMPACTING CONDITION: WEATHER / WIND
COMMENTS: GROUND STOP CANCELED RELEASE ON NEW EDCT'S, JFK LAND 4R
DEPT 4L AAR-30

Now, I believe that average delay number, but 1,274 minutes for the maximum? That's over 21 hours. You sometimes see these kind of extreme numbers during particularly bad delays. Is the FAA really issuing that kind of an Expect Departure Clearance Time (EDCT) to an airline?


User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (6 years 12 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5461 times:



Quoting PHLwok (Reply 9):
MAXIMUM DELAY: 1274

That has to be a typo. It's gotta be. That would be insane.


User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (6 years 12 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 5381 times:



Quoting PHLwok (Reply 9):
Is the FAA really issuing that kind of an Expect Departure Clearance Time (EDCT) to an airline?

 shhh  They'll hear you...


User currently offlineTravatl From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2174 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (6 years 12 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 5358 times:



Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 7):
"well, my wife lives 30 minutes from the airport, and it's FINE there!"

And to this, I always respond with the same retort: "Well, unless your wife has a 10,000 foot driveway, that really doesn't do us any good."


User currently offlineUN_B732 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 4289 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (6 years 12 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 5341 times:

I feel pretty sorry for the folks stuck up at BTV right now.

jetBlue 147 was scheduled to leave BTV for JFK at 6:45pm, ETD right now is 1:30am. Of course, at BTV on Sunday night, nothing is open except the $2 Coke machines.. lol.

-A



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User currently offlinePHLwok From United States of America, joined May 2007, 527 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 12 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 5316 times:



Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 10):
That has to be a typo. It's gotta be. That would be insane.

You would think, but as of this writing, here are the max delays by airport showing on http://www.fly.faa.gov/ois/ (click the appropriate link under "ADVZY" to view them):

EWR 1451
ORD 1265
PHL 463
LGA 769
JFK 455 (it's come way down since my last post)

As I said above, it's not that uncommon to see these wildly high maximum numbers. I'll just assume it's part of an imperfect FAA system. The average delays listed, though probably conservatively high, do at least seem closer to reality.


User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21864 posts, RR: 55
Reply 15, posted (6 years 12 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 5260 times:

Crappy weather in NYC today. I'm pretty sure hail was coming down for about a five minute period half an hour or so ago.

Shouldn't be at all surprised that things get backed up, and since the airports are so stuffed it only makes things worse. I'm glad I'm connecting in CLE instead of EWR next week - crap weather doesn't automatically send things to hell in a handbasket.

Quoting Travatl (Reply 12):
And to this, I always respond with the same retort: "Well, unless your wife has a 10,000 foot driveway, that really doesn't do us any good."

Good one.  thumbsup 

-Mir



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User currently offlineMirrodie From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 7444 posts, RR: 62
Reply 16, posted (6 years 12 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 5238 times:
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Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 7):
You get tired of dumb sometime, sorry.

Falcon, it was def. a joke, based on this dumb but true iphone commercial.




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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21864 posts, RR: 55
Reply 17, posted (6 years 12 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 5199 times:



Quoting PHLwok (Reply 14):
The average delays listed, though probably conservatively high, do at least seem closer to reality.

On the OIS site you can get exact delay assignments for flights by specific time period, and all of them are a little under the average, which would make sense. The least delay you can take into JFK right now is 259 minutes, for flights arriving between 0045 and 0059 local.

-Mir



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User currently offlineFlightopsguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 348 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 12 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 5150 times:



Quoting PHLwok (Reply 9):
Now, I believe that average delay number, but 1,274 minutes for the maximum? That's over 21 hours. You sometimes see these kind of extreme numbers during particularly bad delays. Is the FAA really issuing that kind of an Expect Departure Clearance Time (EDCT) to an airline?

The max delay is a cancelled flight that was subbed by an airline to improve the delays of it's other flights. This is a fault of the FAA software to show such as a true max delayed operating flight. For info on how airlines swap and sub flights, see the learning center link on the FAA website: www.fly.faa.gov. Subbing is done in the FSM (Flight Schedule Monitor) part of etms.



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User currently offlinePHLwok From United States of America, joined May 2007, 527 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 12 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 5046 times:



Quoting Flightopsguy (Reply 18):
The max delay is a cancelled flight that was subbed by an airline to improve the delays of it's other flights. This is a fault of the FAA software to show such as a true max delayed operating flight. For info on how airlines swap and sub flights, see the learning center link on the FAA website: www.fly.faa.gov. Subbing is done in the FSM (Flight Schedule Monitor) part of etms.

Thanks for the explanation, this makes sense. In the case of the 1274 max delay, I take it that this would have been a flight that was nearly 3 hours delayed (1440 min/day - 1274 = 166 min delay) that the airline just canceled then? It's just a shame that the FAA reports this publicly in this manner - they'd almost be better off hiding that data field.


User currently offlineJetBlueJackets From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 175 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 12 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 4977 times:

all airlines going to NYC today were screwed....no weather now does not mean no delays. All thoose a/c circling don;t magically land when the weather clears. Strong winds was the major player today limiting arrivals to a single runway.

BRING ON THE JFK CAPS!!


User currently offlineSmcmac32msn From United States of America, joined May 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (6 years 12 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 4966 times:

Same with Chicago.... as of 11pm CST, SkyWest d/b/a United Express 6034 was still on the ground at MSN trying to go to ORD. It has a 4:16pm departure time out of MSN.


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User currently offlineBizJet From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 275 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 12 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4702 times:

Last night was one of the latest nights at JFK I've seen in a while. I wonder if JetBlue and other carriers were more reluctant to cancel flights than usual because of all the heavy holiday loads — better to get people to their destinations in the early hours of the morning than not at all.

It looks like the latest B6 JFK departure from Sunday's schedule was 785 to SDQ (sked 11:55p; actual 4:22a). Even excluding the usual slate of overnight Latin America flights, which all seem to have left around 4am instead of midnight, there was a good number of domestic flights that took off after 3 a.m.: RIC, BUF, SYR, AUS, RDU, ORD, PBI, FLL, ROC.

Not a good travel day...


User currently offlineAv8tor From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 143 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 12 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4580 times:

Quoting JustPlanes (Reply 6):
Yes, many flights have around 60mins delay... but a lot of Jetblue flights are 3-4 hours delayed...

The FAA was reporting 4 hour delays. I think it caused problems for all airlines, not just JetBlue. Let's stick to the facts.

[Edited 2007-12-24 09:00:35]

User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21864 posts, RR: 55
Reply 24, posted (6 years 12 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4544 times:



Quoting JetBlueJackets (Reply 20):
Strong winds was the major player today limiting arrivals to a single runway.

JFK routinely runs with arrivals on a single runway.

Quoting JetBlueJackets (Reply 20):
BRING ON THE JFK CAPS!!

JFK's AAR was 30 last night. Caps aren't going to help one bit when that happens.

-Mir



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25 JetBlueJackets : It would mean less aircraft are released, and subject to airborn holding. When you see extensive holding, a program follows shortly after. Less holdi
26 JetBlueAUS : Looks like things are leveling out a little bit today.
27 KITH : Having sat in SYR for 4 hours on Sunday (12/23), for our flight to JFK I know this all too well. In SYR there were two very delayed in bound E190's fr
28 B6MoneyGuyJFK : And thats the real question. You can pre-cancel a number of flights, but with the loads so heavy for the holiday, how do you re-accomodate everyone t
29 ATCtower : It has to be a number of factors. When I was leaving FLL this morning at 0630E jetblue was already delaying all outbound flights.
30 Ultrapig : Okay experts here is a dumb question. If there are four hour delays at JFK are international arrivals treated differently than domestic arrivals? For
31 WesternA318 : Out her ein the West, SLC is getting hammered by another snowstorm...as I imagine PIH, BOI and other airports to the north are as well.
32 Alias1024 : Remarkably, earlier today the only airport on the FAA's OIS website showing delays was Idaho Falls. 1/4 mile visibility in heavy snow. SLC has the de
33 WorldTraveler : ultrapig, the FAA doesn't have the power to delay the departure of flights from other countries across the oceans, so, yes, it is possible that intern
34 JetBlueJackets : Most international flights are already about half-way through their trip when the GDPs get issued. They are in part to blame since you can't tell the
35 Mir : Yes. International flights, with the exception of ones from a few airports in Canada, aren't affected by GDPs. There can be a GDP in effect for JFK b
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