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How Would Retro-Cabin Interiors Fly?  
User currently offlineJoemugg From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 61 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3600 times:

Here's a topic that came up in another post: what do you think of a retro airline cabin experience? Such as airlines sometimes do with their liveries, and AA has done with manufacturing and selling retro flight bags on their website, etc. Why not push farther and create a Flagship or equivalent experience on certain high rev routes that literally provides a retro-airline experience within prescribed parameters of cost, taste, and feasibility. Maybe it would be subtle, such as in texture, color, what not but it could mimic the interior of say an AA 707 ca. 1965, or DC-10 ca. 1977. With complementary catering and crew uniforms (without getting too elaborate!) Might be something on certain key routes. I'm thinking like what UAL has done with their p.s. svc. Only retro. I'd fly it!

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User currently offlineLY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2728 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3581 times:

this is a good idea, but passengers must be informed before. Personnally, I wouldn't like to fly on an airline with a retro interior; only some enthusiasts would, IMO.


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User currently offlineAnonms From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 623 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3472 times:

I'm sure passengers would be receptive to the decrease in overhead bin space in a retro interior.


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User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9709 posts, RR: 52
Reply 3, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3417 times:

I don't think that retro is a big mass marketable idea for an airline to make work. Retro works when certain consumers appreciate it such as in the automotive industry, but it has to be done tastefully. For example the Ford Mustang is a highly modern car, but it's got some retro cues that remind people of the car that they fell in love with 30 years ago.

In aviation, there are very few people now that remember what it was like flying on 707s and DC 8s. The outlandish colors and uniforms were interesting, but don't really fit the cool, calm, professional look of most legacy airlines. Southwest has a fun and friendly attitude, but it's all about sedate professionalism on airlines that were around in the 1970s like United and American. Most airlines that differ from the common form nowadays don't seem to work. Southwest and tons of airlines offer a low cost atmosphere, but airlines trying to differentiate themselves with interiors and cabin crew uniforms and 5 course meals aren't really likely to do well.



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User currently offlineJoemugg From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 61 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3384 times:

True... though we are also seeing the emergence and popularity of ultra-boutique hotels that for the standard business traveler may seem outlandishly designed at first, and modern/cool second. I guess any retro appointments would certainly have to be subtle and tasteful. I'm thinking of how Lufthansa's Senator Class looks inspired from the 1930s, with the dark blue against the crisp white, curved head rest coverlets. Reminds me of some vintage airline photographs. I realize the days of the Pucci and Halston designed Braniff interiors/uniforms (not to mention the Calder liveries) is over, at least for the time being, as the culture does not support it. But, culture is always changing ... and the contermporary clean/business/masculine color schemes that are in play can no longer be minimalized any further I believe. It's sort of reduced to nil at this point, from a design perspective. Which is why I'm thinking expansion in the other direction. Like Malaysian; don't they have purple seats in J class?

User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31261 posts, RR: 85
Reply 5, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3367 times:
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Even WN has mellowed over the decades - just look at some of their early 1970's commercials.

As a "one-off" bird moving through the system, it might work. AS has a few special external liveries - the "Salmon-Thirty-Salmon", for example - but the interior is current AS standard as are the uniforms. This year, AS did hold a "fashion show" at SEA where they had FAs and flight crew wearing all of the uniforms over the years.


User currently offlineSeaBosDca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5768 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3325 times:

What? NO IFE???!!  eyepopping   faint  We're all gonna die!  knockout 

 duck 

I think it could work to have a bird with retro seat colors and headrests (especially if it also had a retro livery), but it certainly wouldn't work to have old-style overhead shelves. Unfortunately, scheduling realities would preclude most airlines from having retro F/A uniforms to match the retro seat colors. WN might also have other issues with adopting retro uniforms.  Wink


User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21804 posts, RR: 55
Reply 7, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3323 times:

VS's Y seats have some retro styling cues. I don't think people would mind retro styling (some might appreciate it), but the modern amenities should be there.

-Mir



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User currently offlineAvt007 From Canada, joined Jul 2000, 2132 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3311 times:

It's an interesting idea, but it won't sell any extra seats, so it won't fly, if you'll pardon the pun.

User currently offlineKingCavalier From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 1313 posts, RR: 17
Reply 9, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3311 times:

I think you can do a retro style without going all the way. I don't see a need and the expense in eliminating IFE if the airline provides it or making the overhead bins smaller. I think you can have a stylized retro flash back interior that could be tastefully done. Sounds fun. Any suggestions or pics of old interiors you'd like to see reintroduced?


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User currently offlineCtbarnes From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3491 posts, RR: 50
Reply 10, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3263 times:

Interiors of the past had better seat pitch than today, but I doubt that would happen. Pity.

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User currently offlineJoemugg From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 61 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3109 times:

Yes... my idea has always been toward retro cues rather than a true to life renovation. As mentioned, a special "one-of" or "two of" from say LAX-JFK would be admirable and if executed correctly, would receive a lot of positive coverage. It would most likely create a moderate public media event as the airline could weigh the investment against the positive, "one airline that is trying to make a difference [in favor of passenger reconfidence] is American ..." The actual daily flight or two wouldn't require special pax awareness... I mean, it's not a theme show. It's a tasteful, highly reminiescent cabin experience that in a odd way would help foster passenger confidence (intrigue, novelty, reawareness, reconfidence) in the future of domestic air travel.

User currently offlineAnonms From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 623 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3077 times:

Retro cues? The only thing retro I'd want to see is the interior styling (the old 737 widebody-look interior looked awesome, despite its lack of overhead bin space). Retro seat fabrics, though, I could live without. Retro uniforms would be cool, though (Cathay did that for their anniversary, so it's not like it's hard to do.


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User currently offlineJetJeanes From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1431 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3055 times:

Yeah and put the ashtrays back in the seats and let us retro smoke


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User currently offlineJoemugg From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 61 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3036 times:



Quoting JetJeanes (Reply 13):

...

lol. Someone mentioned that. Overall, the reimagining would include all modern regulations and modern conveniences. Also, as far as uniforms go, the requirements as per scheduling should not be all that different. The uniforms would have to match the interiors which I realize creates a possible conflict. There are numerous examples of airlines already employing highly detailed and specific uniform design. Cathay comes to mind, Singapore, etc. Many of the Asian carriers go all out, and they wear them 18 hours a day on long hauls.


User currently offlineCloudboy From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 846 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 2889 times:

Reproduction, no. But I could tolerate a certain amount of retro-chic style. I don't think you could do the same as liveries and bring back the airliners of the 70s - they just don't meet the requirements - both technical as well as comfort and convenience - that todays flyers demand. Now that doesn't mean you couldn't reintroduce some of the more adventurous and bolder style cues and service ideas. But it would esentially have to be cutting edge retro, so to speak.

For that matter, I am getting the impression though that you would come up with something similar to the Virgin product.



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User currently offlineLGA777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1149 posts, RR: 19
Reply 16, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 2863 times:

Delta sort of did this in a way into the 1990's as their then large 727-200 fleet had the same interior as when the aircraft where delivered, many in the md 70's to well into the 90's when the remaining ones got the then standard dark blue normal DL interiors. The original 727 interior, nicknamed the disco cabin or similar had bright orange carpet, bright red and purple seat covers, and fake wood on the bulkheads and lav doors. I remember first seeing one in 1974 at age 14 and thinking how hip it looked, and 20 years thinking how bad and severely dated it looked.

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User currently offlineNG1Fan From Australia, joined Aug 2007, 446 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2748 times:



Quoting SeaBosDca (Reply 6):
Unfortunately, scheduling realities would preclude most airlines from having retro F/A uniforms to match the retro seat colors

CX had retro uniforms when they celebrated their anniversary (60 years). At least one flight attendant per flight wore the old uniform, with all the details, incl handbag, shoes, scarf, hat, etc. Their in-flight magazine detailed each decade's uniform, who designed it and how long it was worn.

It was arefreshing break from the usual - and certainly those staff wearing them had an extra 'spring' in their step.

NG1Fan


User currently offlineZrs70 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 3206 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2710 times:

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User currently offlineWCS From Canada, joined Apr 2007, 255 posts, RR: 16
Reply 19, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2640 times:

Wait a minute …. I was almost certain that most of US legacies tend to fly retro planes with retro cabins Big grin I could attest that my last flight on NW DC9 was retro from the basement to the ceiling Big grin

Just a joke, take it easy,

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User currently offlineGmD80 From Netherlands, joined Dec 2007, 9 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2611 times:

Check the Biman Bangladesh-interior. They have a pretty retro-look cabin on the DC-10 an A310.

http://www.airliners.net/search/phot...truecount=false&engine_version=6.0


User currently offlineJoemugg From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 61 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2442 times:

The Biman photos are great -- dank u. Though if the standard traveller were to board that a/c they would, admittedly, feel a sinking feeling: i.e. this a/c is old, etc. Hence it would have to be a complete experience, yes, more in line with the Virgin idea. Seats could not be scratchy non-flam material rather leather etc. I'm reminded of flying one of the last 727s from MIA-JFK and noticing how cool the retro interior looked, how rectangular etc. Onboard that a/c all the seats were pearl grey and did not extend as high, that is, without headrests etc. What a great aircraft that was. A top seller for Boeing. But three holers are d.e.a.d.

User currently offlineEWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5527 posts, RR: 56
Reply 22, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2423 times:

Retro cabins:

No IFE, pull down screens for the movie, Pepto-like colors, little to no overhead bins (hat/coat racks), muu-muus for uniforms (and the like)....I'd like to see it. See it, that is. Stick with the retro-scheme outside and be up-to-date inside.

Quoting LY777 (Reply 1):
but passengers must be informed before.

Why? Are they informed when the outside is a retro-scheme? If the service and services being offered is/are the same, there is no need to inform.



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User currently offlineAnonms From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 623 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2413 times:

I'd want to be warned. If what I see in pictures is accurate, retro-colored seats would send me into seizures from the bright unsightly shades of whatever color.


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User currently offlineCbartolucci From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 37 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2269 times:

Bolivia's AeroSur offers "nostalgia flights" using a DC-3.
http://www.aerosur.com/

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AeroSur "nostalgia flights"


25 ORDagent : The most important aspect we haven't covered is maintenance. Pieces of carpet, bulkhead and seat covers are all modular in order to facilitate cleanin
26 Joemugg : The best retro idea seems to be the 'accidental retro' cabin experience i.e. Biman, Cubana, TAAG, etc. Otherwise it looks a lot like Virgin America.
27 Dl_mech : Internally, the interior with the orange carpet (some 727's had DC-9 seat covers) was called "Fantasy." Don't forget the orange tray tables.....
28 1337Delta764 : I remember that Delta's domestic 767-300s once had a mix of red and orange seat covers. I remember flying on one of these in 1996. The more familiar b
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