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Plane Carrying 3 Americans Missing In Panama  
User currently offlinePHLJJS From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 417 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3238 times:

http://cbs3.com/topstories/plane.missing.panama.2.617338.html

Search going on in a heavily wooded area.

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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12285 posts, RR: 18
Reply 1, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3137 times:
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Well so far three family's have had their christmas ruined. Hope everything works out fine and survivers are found

User currently offlineFly2CHC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3100 times:

Not meaning to be insensitive to anyone, but why does it matter what nationality the passengers are? It implies that if the plane was carrying 3 Panamans it would be less important/relevant? If a plane is missing, a plane is missing.

User currently offlineNational757 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 720 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3052 times:



Quoting Fly2CHC (Reply 2):
but why does it matter what nationality the passengers are?

well an American TV station covering a news event about missing Americans..makes sense to me. The nationality of the passengers matter because If the plane was carrying 3 Panamanians, it probably wouldn't have made the American news.



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User currently offlineDYflyer From Norway, joined May 2006, 676 posts, RR: 15
Reply 4, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2868 times:



Quoting Fly2CHC (Reply 2):
Not meaning to be insensitive to anyone, but why does it matter what nationality the passengers are? It implies that if the plane was carrying 3 Panamans it would be less important/relevant? If a plane is missing, a plane is missing.

My first thought too.....

Quoting National757 (Reply 3):
well an American TV station covering a news event about missing Americans..makes sense to me. The nationality of the passengers matter because If the plane was carrying 3 Panamanians, it probably wouldn't have made the American news.

Well, this is a international site, not an American TV station. The way the title is used here implies that the nationality is important. I do realise that he has only used the title from the story, but should have used another title when posting here.



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User currently offlineMDorBust From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2818 times:

Well, congrats on de-railing the thread guys.

BTW: The French also seem to care they were Americans.
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/...ca/LA-GEN-Panama-Missing-Plane.php

Same with Austria
http://www.pr-inside.com/panama-searches-for-missing-plane-r362108.htm

Oh, and India
http://in.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idINIndia-31109320071224

Get over it.


User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13745 posts, RR: 19
Reply 6, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2804 times:



Quoting MDorBust (Reply 5):

One points out that the IHT and PR Inside articles were syndicated from the Associated Press whose writer is based in the Los Angeles, USA area.



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User currently offlineBR076 From Netherlands, joined May 2005, 1086 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2804 times:



Quoting 777ER (Reply 1):
Well so far three family's have had their christmas ruined.

Make that four , or does a pilot not have family



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User currently offlineGOCAPS16 From Japan, joined Jan 2000, 4355 posts, RR: 19
Reply 8, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2778 times:

When it involves a family, (a father and a young daughter) and a daughter's friend, then it becomes big news.


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User currently offlineLegoguy From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 3313 posts, RR: 40
Reply 9, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2754 times:

The pilot also missing was a Panamanian yet the title of the article neglects to mention him due to his nationality.  Yeah sure

That being said my thoughts are with those effected by this tragedy.



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User currently offline2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2741 times:

This is from today La Prensa (in Spanish)
http://mensual.prensa.com/mensual/co...07/12/25/hoy/panorama/1217370.html



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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12285 posts, RR: 18
Reply 11, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2675 times:
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Quoting BR076 (Reply 7):
Quoting 777ER (Reply 1):
Well so far three family's have had their christmas ruined.

Make that four , or does a pilot not have family

Did you even bother to read the article? If you did, then you would have noticed that a father and his teenage daughter are missing, so the last time I checked, that makes one family, then the friend, so that makes two family's, then the pilot, so that makes a grand total os three family's.


User currently offlineBR076 From Netherlands, joined May 2005, 1086 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2660 times:



Quoting 777ER (Reply 11):

Did you even bother to read the article? If you did, then you would have noticed that a father and his teenage daughter are missing, so the last time I checked, that makes one family, then the friend, so that makes two family's, then the pilot, so that makes a grand total os three family's.

Yes you are right, I'm sorry

very tragic



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User currently offline2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2645 times:

Latest news on Panamanian TV said that there was one survivor, a 9 year old girl.


I don't work for COPA Airlines!
User currently offlineNational757 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 720 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2642 times:

From http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5g...oRkg0UQ5ZFiJeS1mhh0AD8TOOOVO3:

Quote:

3 Dead, 1 Survivor in Panama Plane Crash

46 minutes ago

PANAMA CITY, Panama (AP) — The bodies of two Americans and the Panamanian pilot of a plane that crashed over the weekend were found Tuesday in Panama's mountains, officials said. A teenage girl survived.

California businessman Michael Klein, 37, pilot Edwin Lasso and one of two American girls traveling with Klein were found dead, said Roberto Rolando Rodriguez, a spokesman for Panama's air security agency.

A second girl survived the crash, Rodriguez said, but it was not immediately clear whether the survivor was Klein's 13-year-old daughter Talia or her 12-year-old friend Francesca Lewis.




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User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2559 times:

Condolences and prayers to those lost...

From the aviation aspect does anyone know the type or anything?


User currently offline2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2548 times:

It's presumed it was a single engine Cessna.


I don't work for COPA Airlines!
User currently offlineNycfly75 From Italy, joined Aug 2005, 761 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2524 times:



Quoting Fly2CHC (Reply 2):

Not meaning to be insensitive to anyone, but why does it matter what nationality the passengers are? It implies that if the plane was carrying 3 Panamans it would be less important/relevant? If a plane is missing, a plane is missing.



Quoting DYflyer (Reply 4):
Well, this is a international site, not an American TV station. The way the title is used here implies that the nationality is important. I do realise that he has only used the title from the story, but should have used another title when posting here.

Agreed! Regardless of nationality, people lost their lives, may they rest in peace.


User currently offlineAA767LOVER From Hong Kong, joined Aug 2007, 609 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2500 times:

Everyone involved in a tragedy should be cause for concern.
What's wrong with people's mentality? If' a Panamanian's life is lost, it has no value? If an African or Chinese died, it has no value? An American is also a human first more than anything.

Missing, but not yet dead, still there is hope. . . . PRAY.



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User currently offlineRFields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 19, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 2396 times:

I'm very happy that at least one family will not be having a funeral, and prayers for those which will.

But overall - I think you folks are taking a news report way to serious and making blanket statements without foundation. It's not that any life doesn't have value - but about the news 'tear jerker' potential of how the news media works.

According to the US FAA - in the two weeks between Dec 7 and Dec 21 there were at least 11 fatal aircraft crashes in the US - with at least 16 people losing their lives. Only TWO of those crashes were reported on this forum - that I can find.

This story in Panama meets all the 'tear jerker' requirements for a news story to sell in the US - young children, far from home, family worried about missing daughter, etc. The initial story was for US domestic outlets.

Newspapers, TV Stations, Radio Stations and even web sites has "new budgets" each day.

For a newspaper - it's column inches; for TV and radio - it's air time; for web sites - it's the number of stories which hit the top of the page.

For CNN - that is 15 stores, for FoxNews - it's 20 stories. This one is currently #4 on CNN and #3 on Fox.

An editor will only allow a reporter so much time on a story until they get feedback that it is causing a reaction among the target audience of consumers. The web outlets have better immediate feedback because they can track hits on a story. The audience for this story again is a US domestic audience - with Santa Barbara California being the main target audience.

This story doesn't make the main page on Reuters,

Yes, this is an international web site - but you cannot expect members to all place the same weight on a news story. People will identify with a news story when common factors link them to the persons in the story. Basic Journalism 101 - put the reader into the story, make them feel it is personal. So stories about Americans are going to be read by Americans, and reported by Americans.

The topic heading is accurate - not complete - but accurate, especially given the source of the first information.

More importantly - this is an english language web site - so the stories discussed on this site are going to be primarily those reported in english.

Which also means a large percentage of them are going to be about citizens or nationals of the United States.

That's just the math of the demographics of the people on this site.


User currently offlineRichierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4289 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (6 years 11 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2274 times:



Quoting National757 (Reply 14):
Quote:

3 Dead, 1 Survivor in Panama Plane Crash

46 minutes ago

PANAMA CITY, Panama (AP) — The bodies of two Americans and the Panamanian pilot of a plane that crashed over the weekend were found Tuesday in Panama's mountains, officials said. A teenage girl survived.

California businessman Michael Klein, 37, pilot Edwin Lasso and one of two American girls traveling with Klein were found dead, said Roberto Rolando Rodriguez, a spokesman for Panama's air security agency.

A second girl survived the crash, Rodriguez said, but it was not immediately clear whether the survivor was Klein's 13-year-old daughter Talia or her 12-year-old friend Francesca Lewis.

Per Good Morning America, the survivor was the friend, 12-year old "Frankie" Lewis. She has been reunited with her family after her harrowing ordeal. Despite being tangled in wreckage 50 feet above the ground, she was pulled out with barely a scratch but is obviously going to be in a lot of pain dealing with the loss of her best friend, her best friend's father, and the pilot. Good luck to Frankie as she recovers and RIP to the three that died.



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