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User currently offlineSampa737 From Brazil, joined May 2005, 637 posts, RR: 1
Posted (6 years 9 months 14 hours ago) and read 6119 times:

I have 3 questions, just out of curiosity:
1. What is the oldest US domestic route and who owns it? Who is/was the original owner?
2. What is the oldest US intermational route and who owns it?
3. What is the oldest route in the world?

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User currently onlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6771 posts, RR: 17
Reply 1, posted (6 years 9 months 14 hours ago) and read 6112 times:

1. Oldest US domesticate route is Kitty Hawk, NC to Kitty Hawk, NC.. currently an unserved route.. originally flown by Wright Air.. owned by Wilbur and Orville...


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User currently offlineSampa737 From Brazil, joined May 2005, 637 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (6 years 9 months 14 hours ago) and read 6101 times:

I should have clarified my question. I apologize. I meant to ask, what are the "current" oldest routes?

I wondered if there are any routes that say began way back in the day and are still served.

Again, I apologize. Thanks.


User currently onlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6771 posts, RR: 17
Reply 3, posted (6 years 9 months 14 hours ago) and read 6096 times:



Quoting Sampa737 (Reply 2):
Again, I apologize. Thanks.

Don't apologize.. I was just being a sarcastic something.. LOL..

I really don't know...



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User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5674 posts, RR: 24
Reply 4, posted (6 years 9 months 14 hours ago) and read 6072 times:

1. Oldest sustained route has to be Los Angeles-Las Vegas-Salt Lake, started by Western Air Express back in 1926, forerunner to Western Airlines, which was purchased by Delta Airlines in 1986, fully merged by 1987.

2. Oldest sustained US Int'l route has to be from Miami, due to thats where Pan Am started their flying, to Havana and other spots.



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User currently offlineHAL From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 2561 posts, RR: 53
Reply 5, posted (6 years 9 months 14 hours ago) and read 6052 times:

Quoting Sampa737 (Thread starter):
What is the oldest US domestic route and who owns it? Who is/was the original owner?

In the USA nobody 'owns' a route. Since deregulation any US airline can fly anywhere it wants in the US. As for which route was the first passenger flight, it was from St. Petersburg to Tampa with a seaplane in 1914;

http://home.earthlink.net/~ralphcooper/pimagm9.htm

Beyond that, look for the early airmail routes. The first was from Washington D.C to New York with a stop in Philadelphia in 1918.

http://www.centennialofflight.gov/essay/Government_Role/1918/POL2.htm

I don't know if or when they started carrying passengers along with the mail on those, but if they were the first, we've got a large handful of airlines flying between those cities right now

HAL

[Edited 2007-12-24 16:42:31]


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User currently offlineCOSPN From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Oct 2001, 1619 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 9 months 13 hours ago) and read 6008 times:

Guam- Manila Started Oct 21, 1936 on Pan Am and still served today by PAL and CO Thats Over 70 years !!!  Smile Im sure not many routes can top that

User currently offlineSampa737 From Brazil, joined May 2005, 637 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (6 years 9 months 13 hours ago) and read 5984 times:

I thought you were being sarcastic but to be honest, sometimes in here folks get uptight. I didn't sense you being uptight but many of us in here are novices. I really wanted to smart back at you to be funny. But having just been chewed out for another post a person hated, I didn't want to chance it!

Thanks for the replies so far.


User currently offlineNWAESC From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 3389 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (6 years 9 months 13 hours ago) and read 5984 times:

MSP-RST flown by Northwest has got to be up there...It was originally part of their first mail route in 1929.


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User currently offlineCOSPN From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Oct 2001, 1619 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 9 months 13 hours ago) and read 5938 times:

I think he means Revenue PAX routes....

User currently offlineIsitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 23
Reply 10, posted (6 years 9 months 13 hours ago) and read 5938 times:

Two ways to look at this....airport to airport OR city to city.
safe



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User currently offlineScalebuilder From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (6 years 9 months 13 hours ago) and read 5907 times:



Quoting Sampa737 (Reply 7):
I really wanted to smart back at you to be funny. But having just been chewed out for another post a person hated, I didn't want to chance it!

I am with you. Sometimes I just don't want to go on this forum about heated topics because the negative responses will more than outdo taking an interest in the first place. Sad but true.

I would not be discouraged. Not by any means. Believe in your opinion!

Happy Holidays!!

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User currently onlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6771 posts, RR: 17
Reply 12, posted (6 years 9 months 13 hours ago) and read 5869 times:



Quoting Sampa737 (Reply 7):
I thought you were being sarcastic but to be honest

No worries.. as you are on here.. you learn who will be .. uhmm.. THOSE.. and who will take everything in stride.. but, for real, the first domesticate flight was the first flight for which the claim to fame falls on North Carolina! It was only 120 ft.. but the only passenger on the flight did enjoy it alot!

But I understood what you were saying.. although there have been lots of responses.. it would be HARD to determine unless someone knew what the absolutely first pax aircraft was.. and it could have been a bi-plane that carried a single pax from New York to Long Island.. or something similar to that.. I am assuming that it would almost have to be on the east coast as that's where most aviation was originating..



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User currently offlineSampa737 From Brazil, joined May 2005, 637 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (6 years 9 months 13 hours ago) and read 5863 times:

Doesn't Delta still run their first route and isn't it ATL-Shreveport? And is it profitable?

User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25332 posts, RR: 22
Reply 14, posted (6 years 9 months 12 hours ago) and read 5825 times:



Quoting Sampa737 (Reply 13):
Doesn't Delta still run their first route and isn't it ATL-Shreveport?

KL still operates their first international route (Amsterdam-London) that began 87 years ago in 1920, although I don't think it was a regular scheduled service until 1921.


User currently offlineCessnalady From Mexico, joined May 2004, 310 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (6 years 9 months 12 hours ago) and read 5806 times:



Quoting Sampa737 (Thread starter):
3. What is the oldest route in the world?

MX has been flying MEX-TAM since July 12, 1921. It is considered the oldest continuously-served route in the American continent.

Marie


User currently offlineCessnalady From Mexico, joined May 2004, 310 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (6 years 9 months 12 hours ago) and read 5777 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 14):
KL still operates their first international route (Amsterdam-London) that began 87 years ago in 1920, although I don't think it was a regular scheduled service until 1921.

As per KLM's website, << September 1929 : Launch of regular Amsterdam-Batavia service, which, before the outbreak of World War II, was to be the longest regular air link in the world. >>

KL's website suggests the first flight (Amsterdam-london) took place on May 17, 1920, resuming thereafter on April 4, 1921, but not having a regular service until September, 1929, when the Amsterdam-Batavia link was established. http://www.klm.com/travel/corporate_en/facts_figures/history/index.htm

Marie

[Edited 2007-12-24 18:25:23]

User currently offlineQANTAS077 From Australia, joined Jan 2004, 5855 posts, RR: 39
Reply 17, posted (6 years 9 months 12 hours ago) and read 5763 times:

QF Nov 22, 1922...Longreach to Cloncurry.

though most don't know this, the first scheduled air service in Australia was actually operated by West Australian Airways on 2 Nov, 1922 on the Geraldton-Perth route, a route that still currently operates. It was later taken over by Adelaide Airways which then became ANA and later that was taken over by Ansett.



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25332 posts, RR: 22
Reply 18, posted (6 years 9 months 12 hours ago) and read 5752 times:



Quoting Cessnalady (Reply 17):
KL's website suggests the first flight (Amsterdam-london) took place on May 17, 1920, resuming thereafter on April 4, 1921, but not having a regular service until September, 1929, when the Amsterdam-Batavia link was established. http://www.klm.com/travel/corporate_...x.htm

Sorry, I don't quite understand your point. The KL timeline in their website refers to 1929 as the date for regular AMS-Batavia (Jakarta) service but it has no reference to 1929 as far as AMS-LON is concerned. They seem to imply that it started in 1921 as a scheduled service. Various other sites mention that KL was operating this route and several others in 1921.


User currently onlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6771 posts, RR: 17
Reply 19, posted (6 years 9 months 12 hours ago) and read 5745 times:

3. according to this sight, MIA-Bimini is the oldest route flown in 1917 by Chalks as the oldest carrier.. not sure if MIA-Bimini is still flown but if that's the case, it might be the oldest route..

Added information.. according to the same website.. Chalks is the 2nd oldest carreir following the St. Petersburg - Tampa Airboat Line that flew PIE-TPA with it's first pax being the mayor of TPA for $400...

So the oldest US route would be TPA-PIE.. the oldest US route still in service would be ??? and the oldest US airline still in service would be Northwest, I think... who also holds the first international route to canada...

[Edited 2007-12-24 18:42:25]


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User currently offlineCessnaLady From Mexico, joined May 2004, 310 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (6 years 9 months 12 hours ago) and read 5728 times:



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 19):
seem to imply that it started in 1921 as a scheduled service.

It is quite unclear. What they do say is their first regular service started in 1929. A contrario sensu it could be interpreted all flights before the regularly-scheduled Amsterdam-Batavia service were non-regular. That's why I quoted the website's reference to << September 1929 : Launch of regular Amsterdam-Batavia service, which, before the outbreak of World War II, was to be the longest regular air link in the world. >>.

Nowhere in the website it says their flights in 1921 were regularly scheduled. The first reference to regularly-scheduled flights appears until 1929. Maybe a better-informed KL fan or nut can chime in here and help us out...

Marie


User currently offlineLemurs From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1439 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (6 years 9 months 11 hours ago) and read 5710 times:

Interesting variation on that question: What's the current longest route served by an airline with the same route number throughout? There have to be some single-digit flights that have been operating for some airlines 40-50+ years now, no?


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User currently offlineQANTAS077 From Australia, joined Jan 2004, 5855 posts, RR: 39
Reply 22, posted (6 years 9 months 11 hours ago) and read 5675 times:



Quoting Lemurs (Reply 22):
What's the current longest route served by an airline with the same route number throughout?

would have to be the Kangaroo route, that's been going for over 60 years now. pretty sure its always been QF1 with Qantas.



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25332 posts, RR: 22
Reply 23, posted (6 years 9 months 10 hours ago) and read 5621 times:

Quoting CessnaLady (Reply 21):
Nowhere in the website it says their flights in 1921 were regularly scheduled. The first reference to regularly-scheduled flights appears until 1929. Maybe a better-informed KL fan or nut can chime in here and help us out...

I think the Batavia item is simply stating that they started regular service there in 1929. It's not intended to mean that this was their first scheduled service. They had many scheduled routes in Europe well before 1929.. However, the Batavia service was their first intercontinental route.

Here's another interesting Dutch aviation history site with a more detailed timeline.
http://www.dutch-aviation.nl/index3/index3-0.html

Quoting Lemurs (Reply 22):
Interesting variation on that question: What's the current longest route served by an airline with the same route number throughout?

AA has used AA1 JFK-LAX since 1953 when they introduced the DC-7 and became the first carrier with nonstop US coast-to-coast service in both directions. They kept the same AA1 number when the B707 replaced the DC-7 in January 1959, making AA the first US domestic jet operator (apart from National Airlines that wet-leased a Pan Am 707 a month or so earlier and operated JFK-MIA although it was in PA livery and used PA crews.)

AA1 today is a 767-200 but it still departs at about the same time as the DC-7 in 1953. Ironically, the 707 in 1959 was faster than today's 767. Block time now is about 40 minutes longer although some of that is due to increased ground time due to airport congestion etc.

[Edited 2007-12-24 20:23:42]

User currently offlineHaan From South Africa, joined Aug 2004, 289 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (6 years 9 months 10 hours ago) and read 5612 times:

Please correct me if im wrong, but one of the oldest long haul routes in the world is LHR-JNB (Via Cairo, Entebbe and and)

25 Bninmsy : Delta does fly ATL-SHV nonstop; however the route did not include Atlanta it was Fort Worth-Dallas-Shreveport-Monroe (Delta's HQ at the time)-Jackson
26 WesternA318 : CO's first route was Pueblo - El Paso, which is not flown anymore although ELP is still served by CO. Its first major route was LAX-DEN-MCI-ORD, along
27 HAL : Hawaiian airlines has been serving HNL - Maui since it's first day of operation, November 11, 1929. There may be other routes at other airlines that s
28 Sampa737 : Are you serious? You just burst my bubble. Delta originally began in Dallas? Okay, you've opened my eyes. But to be honest, that would make sense sinc
29 Viscount724 : I think KLM is the oldest airline still flying under its original name. Actually, NW was originally Northwest Airways. They changed to Northwest Airl
30 SkyexRamper : Northwest Airways, the original name to NWA, opened it's first route flying mail from Minneapolis and Chicago in 1916.
31 ImperialEagle : Never let it be said that I wanted to join-in on the usual "hair-splitting" contests held on this website, but are you sure you didn't mean 1926? I t
32 Viscount724 : Pan Am's service started in 1927 but they only carried mail until 1928 when passenger service began.
33 Post contains links Bofredrik : "The year 1919 means the big launch of commercial aviation. The world's first daily flight connection opens on February 5th, 1919, between Berlin and
34 SXDFC : OA has been serving JFK-ATH and ATH-JFK for about 42 years now! that certainly is a long time!
35 OA260 : Yeah but OA started in 1957 so its nothing like the legacy of Pan Am and others.
36 WesternA318 : Before then, TWA served ATH with Constellations and DC-4's (we had a few in the fleet as the Connies came online) from IDL, FCO, LHR, CDG, and CAI.
37 Jasp25 : Philippine Airlines: July 1946 A chartered DC-4 ferries 40 American servicemen from Manila to Oakland, California, making Philippine Airlines the firs
38 Post contains links ThePalauan : Don't forget this flight wasn't operating during WWII. Pan Am's flight from Wake Island never made it to GUM on Dec. 8, 1941 and if memory serves me
39 ImperialEagle : Wasn't the pilot Tony Jannus? I think so. There is an aviation achievement award given to someone every year in his honor.
40 Slider : 1926 actually. But first pax route was STP (MSP) to Chicago via LSE-MSN-MKE in 1927. Technically, NW still serves MSP-LSE, so that may be one of the
41 WesternA318 : Ahh yes, indeed! A ggod story of the formation and the construction of the airports on many of the islands can also be found in "Maverick: The Story
42 Adriaticus : Interesting to see some people were surfing KL's website and missed this: > Worth noting, the world's second-oldest airline, Avianca, originally star
43 ImperialEagle : Was referring to U.S. airline, one of the three questions in the first thread.
44 Timz : AA2 is probably the winner in this category, maybe along with AA4. When AA first started 707s it was morning flight 2 eastward from LAX, so flight 1
45 Post contains images Gr8Circle : Yes, it is KLM...the Guiness Book of Records says so....
46 Timz : It seems they started flying to the present airport on Maui in 1951. A few years ago when I asked what airline had been scheduling an airport-pair fo
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