Sampa737 From Brazil, joined May 2005, 637 posts, RR: 1 Posted (5 years 12 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 5923 times:
I have 3 questions, just out of curiosity:
1. What is the oldest US domestic route and who owns it? Who is/was the original owner?
2. What is the oldest US intermational route and who owns it?
3. What is the oldest route in the world?
WesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5526 posts, RR: 24 Reply 4, posted (5 years 12 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 5876 times:
1. Oldest sustained route has to be Los Angeles-Las Vegas-Salt Lake, started by Western Air Express back in 1926, forerunner to Western Airlines, which was purchased by Delta Airlines in 1986, fully merged by 1987.
2. Oldest sustained US Int'l route has to be from Miami, due to thats where Pan Am started their flying, to Havana and other spots.
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HAL From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 2502 posts, RR: 53 Reply 5, posted (5 years 12 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 5856 times:
Quoting Sampa737 (Thread starter): What is the oldest US domestic route and who owns it? Who is/was the original owner?
In the USA nobody 'owns' a route. Since deregulation any US airline can fly anywhere it wants in the US. As for which route was the first passenger flight, it was from St. Petersburg to Tampa with a seaplane in 1914;
Sampa737 From Brazil, joined May 2005, 637 posts, RR: 1 Reply 7, posted (5 years 12 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 5788 times:
I thought you were being sarcastic but to be honest, sometimes in here folks get uptight. I didn't sense you being uptight but many of us in here are novices. I really wanted to smart back at you to be funny. But having just been chewed out for another post a person hated, I didn't want to chance it!
ERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6697 posts, RR: 18 Reply 12, posted (5 years 12 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 5673 times:
Quoting Sampa737 (Reply 7): I thought you were being sarcastic but to be honest
No worries.. as you are on here.. you learn who will be .. uhmm.. THOSE.. and who will take everything in stride.. but, for real, the first domesticate flight was the first flight for which the claim to fame falls on North Carolina! It was only 120 ft.. but the only passenger on the flight did enjoy it alot!
But I understood what you were saying.. although there have been lots of responses.. it would be HARD to determine unless someone knew what the absolutely first pax aircraft was.. and it could have been a bi-plane that carried a single pax from New York to Long Island.. or something similar to that.. I am assuming that it would almost have to be on the east coast as that's where most aviation was originating..
Cessnalady From Mexico, joined May 2004, 310 posts, RR: 4 Reply 16, posted (5 years 12 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5581 times:
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 14): KL still operates their first international route (Amsterdam-London) that began 87 years ago in 1920, although I don't think it was a regular scheduled service until 1921.
As per KLM's website, << September 1929 : Launch of regular Amsterdam-Batavia service, which, before the outbreak of World War II, was to be the longest regular air link in the world. >>
QANTAS077 From Australia, joined Jan 2004, 5799 posts, RR: 42 Reply 17, posted (5 years 12 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5567 times:
QF Nov 22, 1922...Longreach to Cloncurry.
though most don't know this, the first scheduled air service in Australia was actually operated by West Australian Airways on 2 Nov, 1922 on the Geraldton-Perth route, a route that still currently operates. It was later taken over by Adelaide Airways which then became ANA and later that was taken over by Ansett.
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Sorry, I don't quite understand your point. The KL timeline in their website refers to 1929 as the date for regular AMS-Batavia (Jakarta) service but it has no reference to 1929 as far as AMS-LON is concerned. They seem to imply that it started in 1921 as a scheduled service. Various other sites mention that KL was operating this route and several others in 1921.
ERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6697 posts, RR: 18 Reply 19, posted (5 years 12 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5549 times:
3. according to this sight, MIA-Bimini is the oldest route flown in 1917 by Chalks as the oldest carrier.. not sure if MIA-Bimini is still flown but if that's the case, it might be the oldest route..
Added information.. according to the same website.. Chalks is the 2nd oldest carreir following the St. Petersburg - Tampa Airboat Line that flew PIE-TPA with it's first pax being the mayor of TPA for $400...
So the oldest US route would be TPA-PIE.. the oldest US route still in service would be ??? and the oldest US airline still in service would be Northwest, I think... who also holds the first international route to canada...
It is quite unclear. What they do say is their first regular service started in 1929. A contrario sensu it could be interpreted all flights before the regularly-scheduled Amsterdam-Batavia service were non-regular. That's why I quoted the website's reference to << September 1929 : Launch of regular Amsterdam-Batavia service, which, before the outbreak of World War II, was to be the longest regular air link in the world. >>.
Nowhere in the website it says their flights in 1921 were regularly scheduled. The first reference to regularly-scheduled flights appears until 1929. Maybe a better-informed KL fan or nut can chime in here and help us out...
Lemurs From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1439 posts, RR: 4 Reply 21, posted (5 years 12 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5514 times:
Interesting variation on that question: What's the current longest route served by an airline with the same route number throughout? There have to be some single-digit flights that have been operating for some airlines 40-50+ years now, no?
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Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 23251 posts, RR: 23 Reply 23, posted (5 years 12 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 5425 times:
Quoting CessnaLady (Reply 21): Nowhere in the website it says their flights in 1921 were regularly scheduled. The first reference to regularly-scheduled flights appears until 1929. Maybe a better-informed KL fan or nut can chime in here and help us out...
I think the Batavia item is simply stating that they started regular service there in 1929. It's not intended to mean that this was their first scheduled service. They had many scheduled routes in Europe well before 1929.. However, the Batavia service was their first intercontinental route.
Quoting Lemurs (Reply 22): Interesting variation on that question: What's the current longest route served by an airline with the same route number throughout?
AA has used AA1 JFK-LAX since 1953 when they introduced the DC-7 and became the first carrier with nonstop US coast-to-coast service in both directions. They kept the same AA1 number when the B707 replaced the DC-7 in January 1959, making AA the first US domestic jet operator (apart from National Airlines that wet-leased a Pan Am 707 a month or so earlier and operated JFK-MIA although it was in PA livery and used PA crews.)
AA1 today is a 767-200 but it still departs at about the same time as the DC-7 in 1953. Ironically, the 707 in 1959 was faster than today's 767. Block time now is about 40 minutes longer although some of that is due to increased ground time due to airport congestion etc.