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35 Years After Jetliner Crash, Hero Gets His Due  
User currently offlineAAFLT1871 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2333 posts, RR: 10
Posted (6 years 12 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 5787 times:

What a Great Story

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22394676/


Where did everybody go?
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User currently offline747400sp From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3757 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (6 years 12 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 5764 times:

You would think they mention that the A/C was a L1011.

User currently offlineEghansen From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (6 years 12 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 5690 times:



Quoting 747400sp (Reply 1):
You would think they mention that the A/C was a L1011.

That was actually a very interesting crash. (Sorry if I am being unfeeling, but it was 35 years ago.) I saw a special on this particular crash on PBS. It appears that the pilots (three including flight engineer) became so involved in the issue of a malfunctioning landing gear indicator light that nobody seemed to notice that the plane was sinking too fast and headed for the ground.


User currently offlineSOBHI51 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jun 2003, 3554 posts, RR: 17
Reply 3, posted (6 years 12 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 5531 times:
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Wow it only took them 35 years.


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User currently offlineSEPilot From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 7141 posts, RR: 46
Reply 4, posted (6 years 12 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5274 times:



Quoting Eghansen (Reply 2):
It appears that the pilots (three including flight engineer) became so involved in the issue of a malfunctioning landing gear indicator light that nobody seemed to notice that the plane was sinking too fast and headed for the ground.

This was caused by one of them inadvertently nudging the control column, disengaging the autopilot. There was an alarm, but it was a very soft chime that nobody noticed. One of the changes that came out of this crash was that the alarm when the autopilot is disengaged was made much more noticeable.



The problem with making things foolproof is that fools are so doggone ingenious...Dan Keebler
User currently offlineHOOB747 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 449 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 12 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5053 times:

Another change in procedure was the tactic where one pilot would fly the plane and the other would be free to troubleshoot the problem.


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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 26005 posts, RR: 22
Reply 6, posted (6 years 12 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4919 times:



Quoting HOOB747 (Reply 5):
Another change in procedure was the tactic where one pilot would fly the plane and the other would be free to troubleshoot the problem.

The similar UA DC-8-61 crash at PDX in 1978, fortunately with only 10 fatalities of 189 aboard, was also instrumental in encouraging carriers to implement CRM (cockpit resource management) procedures. The UA DC-8 ran out of fuel while the crew was holding to investigate a landing gear warning light problem.
http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19781228-1


User currently offlineHOOB747 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 449 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 12 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4878 times:

Right, the CRM has probably saved more lives than any aircraft safety feature. Impossible to quantify, but changing the culture in the cockpit has increased safety innumerably.


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User currently offlineEghansen From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (6 years 12 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4757 times:



Quoting SEPilot (Reply 4):
This was caused by one of them inadvertently nudging the control column, disengaging the autopilot. There was an alarm, but it was a very soft chime that nobody noticed. One of the changes that came out of this crash was that the alarm when the autopilot is disengaged was made much more noticeable.

They also said in the PBS show that because of the nature of this crash (controlled flight into the ground), airlines had made changes in their pilot training. Even if the alarm was not very loud, somebody in the cockpit should have had noticed the altimeter readings, especially as the aircraft was on approach to Miami Airport.


User currently offlineSEPilot From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 7141 posts, RR: 46
Reply 9, posted (6 years 12 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4729 times:



Quoting HOOB747 (Reply 7):
Right, the CRM has probably saved more lives than any aircraft safety feature. Impossible to quantify, but changing the culture in the cockpit has increased safety innumerably.

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Read Robert Gandt's "Skygods" to really get a picture of what cockpit life was like before CRM.



The problem with making things foolproof is that fools are so doggone ingenious...Dan Keebler
User currently offlineUAL bagsmasher From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 2148 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (6 years 12 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4638 times:

Does anyone have a link or other information about this PBS show dealing with Eastern 401?

User currently offlineSEPilot From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 7141 posts, RR: 46
Reply 11, posted (6 years 12 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4471 times:



Quoting UAL bagsmasher (Reply 10):
Does anyone have a link or other information about this PBS show dealing with Eastern 401?

There was a book written about it years ago; it was titled "The Ghost of Flight 401"; I have forgotten the author. I don't know anything about the PBS show; check their website; you may be able to buy a copy.



The problem with making things foolproof is that fools are so doggone ingenious...Dan Keebler
User currently offlineAC772 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (6 years 12 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4240 times:

What an amazing story!
I actually read the whole thing!
Good job on saving many!
AC772  champagne 


User currently offlineDeltaAVL From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1893 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (6 years 12 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3994 times:

Very touching story; thanks for sharing, AAFLT1871.

Quoting 747400sp (Reply 1):
You would think they mention that the A/C was a L1011.

Why would they? The general society of 2007 has no clue as to which commercial aircraft is which, nor do they care. You may come across the rare man or woman who knows that the 747 has a hump in it, but L1011? Pshh. Nobody's even heard of it.



"We break, We bend, With hand in hand, When hope is gone, Just hang on." -Guster
User currently offlineEghansen From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (6 years 12 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3063 times:

Here is the information about the PBS program. I don't know if it is available on video anywhere:

WHY AIRPLANES CRASH
The Nova Series, Public Broadcast System 55:30 1986
Is airline travel as safe as it can be? An in-depth look at crew performance during recent airline
accidents.

"Why Planes Crash"; written, directed, and produced by Veronica L. Young, Nova, (Boston: WGBH Educational Foundation, 1987).


User currently offline474218 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6340 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (6 years 12 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2872 times:



Quoting Eghansen (Reply 8):
especially as the aircraft was on approach to Miami Airport.

They were actually circling over the Everglades, while the tried to determine if the nose gear was down and locked.


User currently offlineAndesSMF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (6 years 12 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2699 times:

I am completely shocked that his substantial contribution were never officially acknowleged. Several people drowned in inches deep water because they could not free themselves, but he saved several.

Cheers to him.


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