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British Airways Fleet, Orders And Retirements  
User currently offlineTristarSteve From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 3976 posts, RR: 34
Posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 11484 times:

I was getting confused about which aircraft were arriving and departing the BA fleet in the next few years, so I found out. Thought you may be interested.

Present orders
A320 18 deliveries from Mar 08 until Mar 2010
B777-200ER 4 deliveries from Jan to Apr 2009
B787 24 deliveries from Aug 2010
A380 12 deliveries from Apr 2012.

A320 UUT is in service, next del is UUU Mar08 /UUV Apr08 /UUW Jun08 /UUX Jul08 /UUY Sep08 all A320.
B777 deliveries are YMMR Jan09 /MMS Mar09 /MMT Mar09 /MMU Apr09.

The B757 fleet will reduce to 8 aircraft during 08 as aircraft are seconded to Lauren. They will keep their UK registrations. Replaced by the A320.
The A320/CFM fleet will remain at 5 aircraft until Nov 09 then withdrawn during the winter. Replaced by new A320.
The B737 fleet at LGW will reduce slowly as A319 are transferred from LHR, but 21 (19 734 and 2 735) will still be in service in Mar 2010. There will then be 13 A319 at LGW.
From now until Mar 2010 the total fleet will only rise by 2 hulls to a total of 236 aircraft 118 shorthaul and 118 longhaul.

The first delivery of the Large Twin aircraft (B787-10, A350 or B777X) is slated for 2015. It will be ordered at the end of 2008.

The Longhaul B767 will start to be retired in 2013 as B787 are delivered.
The shorthaul B757 and B767 are scheduled in service until around 2016.
The last B737 should leave the fleet in 2014, being replaced by A32x, yet to be ordered.(but BA holds options)

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User currently offlineSimairlinenet From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 911 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 11443 times:

Steve,

Thanks for the update! Two questions in particular:
1) When will the 737-300 be retired? You only mention the -400 and -500 as in service come 2010.
2) When will the last A320-100 be retired?


User currently offlineTristarSteve From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 3976 posts, RR: 34
Reply 2, posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 11431 times:



Quoting Simairlinenet (Reply 1):
1) When will the 737-300 be retired? You only mention the -400 and -500 as in service come 2010.
2) When will the last A320-100 be retired?

The B733 will leave during winter 08, but the last one will finally go in Oct 09.
The last A320-100 will go next month.


User currently offlineAF022 From France, joined Dec 2003, 2147 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 10934 times:

What is BA's plans with the B744? They have a lot of them, and many of them are getting to be long in the tooth.

User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12322 posts, RR: 25
Reply 4, posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 10844 times:



Quoting AF022 (Reply 3):
What is BA's plans with the B744? They have a lot of them, and many of them are getting to be long in the tooth.

According to this, the 57 B744s were delivered between 1989 and 1998, so they are between 9 and 18 years old. I think they'll be around for a fair amount of time. Adding A380s with 100 seats more and 787s with 100 seats less doesn't impact the 744 fleet much.



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User currently offlineVincewy From Taiwan, joined Oct 2005, 767 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 10825 times:

I'm curious what BA will do when they need to gradually retire all the 744s like what SQ's doing now. I've looked at BA's timetable, they could potentially need 60-70 VLAs if routes like PVG, PEK, and other Indian cities besides BOM and DEL continue to grow and they can no longer get more slots at LHR (it's a matter of when).

User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12407 posts, RR: 37
Reply 6, posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 10749 times:

Thanks very much, TristarSteve. There is a site called Jethro's UK/Ireland fleet listings,which is very handy. (Sorry,can't post a link here,as I'm at a remote computer - at Dublin Airport!)

I'm particularly interested to hear about the BA A319s moving down to LGW; I live in JER and we have 735s very regularly, so it will be nice to see the 319s. Do you know when the first 319s will be coming down to LGW?


User currently offlineSpeedbirdEGJJ From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 429 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 10579 times:

Hi Kaitak

We will recieve the 319's into here from the end of March 09. (start of the S09 timetable).

Steve:

Im curious as to the 2 x 500's staying, I was led to believe the leases on the 3/500's were all expiring shortly hence the need to plan for the 319's??

Rgrds
Ryan


User currently offlineLHR27C From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 1279 posts, RR: 16
Reply 8, posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks ago) and read 10457 times:

Thanks for the update Steve. Do you know what the progress is on fitting NCW to the 777s? Assuming they have now got the certification through?


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User currently offlineTristarSteve From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 3976 posts, RR: 34
Reply 9, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 9929 times:



Quoting AF022 (Reply 3):
What is BA's plans with the B744? They have a lot of them, and many of them are getting to be long in the tooth

The first few will be retired in 2013 and they will leave at about 5 every year, the last one going in 2022.
The first 10 or so will be replaced by A380, after that by the Large Twin which will be ordered end 2008.

Quoting SpeedbirdEGJJ (Reply 7):
We will recieve the 319's into here from the end of March 09. (start of the S09 timetable).

The plan is that 2 A319 will operate out of LGW in Summer 2008. But they will be LHR based aircraft rotated through EDI as before. the first LGW based A319 will arrive in Sep 2008 and slowly build up to fleet of 12 for Summer 2009. The total LGW fleet will be the same, each A319 delivery will retire a B733/735.

Quoting LHR27C (Reply 8):
Do you know what the progress is on fitting NCW to the 777s?

No , but it will start in Jan 2008.


User currently offlineLHRjc From Netherlands, joined Apr 2006, 1964 posts, RR: 20
Reply 10, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 9736 times:



Quoting TristarSteve (Reply 9):
the first LGW based A319 will arrive in Sep 2008 and slowly build up to fleet of 12 for Summer 2009

So will these A319's initially be operated by LHR Airbus pilots or are the LGW 737 pilots starting to be re type-rated soon?



"Our 319's are very reliable. They get fixed very quickly."
User currently offline757767lover From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 340 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 9696 times:



Quoting Kaitak (Reply 6):
Thanks very much, TristarSteve. There is a site called Jethro's UK/Ireland fleet listings,which is very handy. (Sorry,can't post a link here,as I'm at a remote computer - at Dublin

http://www.jethros.dwsitech.com/

Hope that helps Steve great bit of info good work

Simon


User currently offlineHotelmode From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2007, 460 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 9569 times:

Quoting LHRjc (Reply 10):
So will these A319's initially be operated by LHR Airbus pilots or are the LGW 737 pilots starting to be re type-rated soon?


They'll be flown by whichever pilots bid to fly them. Most of the FO's will be new joiners and the Captains will be mostly FO's upgrading from other fleets. Very few from the 737 though as it would tie them to another 4 years at Gatwick.

[Edited 2007-12-28 04:14:29]

User currently offlineSpeedbirdEGJJ From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 429 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 9435 times:



Quoting TristarSteve (Reply 9):

Quoting SpeedbirdEGJJ (Reply 7):
We will recieve the 319's into here from the end of March 09. (start of the S09 timetable).

The plan is that 2 A319 will operate out of LGW in Summer 2008. But they will be LHR based aircraft rotated through EDI as before. the first LGW based A319 will arrive in Sep 2008 and slowly build up to fleet of 12 for Summer 2009. The total LGW fleet will be the same, each A319 delivery will retire a B733/735.

Sorry Steve I was responding to Kaitak - 'Here' meaning Jersey.

Krgrds
Ryan


User currently offlineAviationAddict From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 604 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 9364 times:
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Sorry for my ignorance, I don't know a lot about European carriers but, I know that BA has a few other companies flying for them under the mainline colors; will these fleet plans affect these carriers at all? For example, I know Miami Air has been doing some work for BA, will the new fleet force BA to stop using these other companies?

User currently offlineTimRees From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2001, 354 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 8702 times:



Quoting AviationAddict (Reply 14):
I know that BA has a few other companies flying for them under the mainline colors; will these fleet plans affect these carriers at all?

In the UK there were two major franchise carriers operating in BA mainline livery - British Mediterranean (BMED) and GB Airways. BMED was sold to BMI and has been operating as that since the winter 07 timetable started (all aircraft now repainted into a hybrid BMI/BA livery). GB Airways has recently been sold to Easyjet and will cease to operate as a BA franchise carrier from the summer 08 schedule. BA is planning to introduce flights using its own metal on some of the ex-GB services eg. LHR-AGP and many of the LGW- north africa services. I think the plan is for EZY to incorporate the ex GB aircraft -A320s and A321s which they currently do not operate, into their fleet.
Other franchise airlines are not London based.


User currently offlineSketty222 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 1776 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 8675 times:



Quoting AviationAddict (Reply 14):
I know Miami Air has been doing some work for BA

???

What have they been doing?



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User currently offlineAviationAddict From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 604 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 8675 times:
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Quoting TimRees (Reply 15):

Thanks for the information!


User currently offlineGCT64 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2007, 1364 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 8474 times:



Quoting TristarSteve (Thread starter):
The A320/CFM fleet will remain at 5 aircraft until Nov 09

Strictly speaking, it is still 6 aircraft with G-BUSE (the last A320-100) due to have its last service on 1 Jan 08.



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User currently offlineLHRjc From Netherlands, joined Apr 2006, 1964 posts, RR: 20
Reply 19, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 8361 times:

Quoting AviationAddict (Reply 14):
For example, I know Miami Air has been doing some work for BA



Quoting Sketty222 (Reply 16):
What have they been doing?

Is this reference to G-OXLA which is an XL 738 leased from Miami Air to XL to BA, or GB, or whatever the story is   ?

Edit: typo... again  

[Edited 2007-12-28 06:44:28]

[Edited 2007-12-28 06:46:16]


"Our 319's are very reliable. They get fixed very quickly."
User currently offlineSketty222 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 1776 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 8123 times:



Quoting LHRjc (Reply 19):
Is this reference to G-OXLA which is an XL 738 leased from Miami Air to XL to BA, or GB, or whatever the story is ?

Cheers, I thought it might have had something to do with the XL aircraft



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User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7380 posts, RR: 17
Reply 21, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 7427 times:



Quoting AviationAddict (Reply 14):
I know Miami Air has been doing some work for BA, will the new fleet force BA to stop using these other companies?

As others have pointed out BA franchise operator GB Airways has been using a Miami Air 737 over the summer period up to the end of October. This aircraft flew in basic Miami Air livery with a crudely painted British Airways Union Flag tail and upper forward fuselage 'Speedmarque' neither of which had any shading on this aircraft. Because the dark blue area on the underside of the fuselage that is part of the Miami Air livery is larger than that of the BA livery there was insufficient room for the 'BRITISH AIRWAYS' titles to be painted in their normal position on the lower forward fuselage on this aircraft. So they were painted on the upper forward fuselage:

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British Airways themselves have been wet leasing a number of 752s and 321s from Titan Airways, Astraeus and Monarch Airlines during the last month.

Two 752s were leased from Titan (G-ZAPU and 'PX), the first from 28 November and the second from 1 December, although one was replaced by a 733 (G-ZAPZ) on 8 December.

An Astraeus 752 (G-STRZ) was leased for three days from 30 November until 2 December.

Several Monarch A321s were used through the month. Because Monarch themselves operate the 321 out of LGW the aircraft used were interchanged frequently. Those used at one time or another on BA flights during December were G-OZBF, 'BG, 'BH, 'BN and 'BO with the vast majority of those flights operated by 'BG, 'BH and 'BN. Most usually two were in use on any one day. Occasionally a particular aircraft flew both MON and BA rotations on the same day.

Regular destinations for the leased in aircraft included ALG, AMS, KEF, KRK, MAD, MAN and VCE for the 752s and BCN, GLA, KRK, PSA, and SKG for the 321s.

All of the above aircraft (excepting 'LA) flew in their main operator's colours without additional titles.

Does anyone know why such a heavy lease-in programme was required at this time?


User currently offlineHotelmode From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2007, 460 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 7308 times:



Quoting VV701 (Reply 21):
Does anyone know why such a heavy lease-in programme was required at this time?

Gatwick ran out of cabin crew due to higher turnover than expected and more critically BAA's inability to process ID applications in a timely manner.


User currently offlineLHRjc From Netherlands, joined Apr 2006, 1964 posts, RR: 20
Reply 23, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 7130 times:

What about yak42's?


"Our 319's are very reliable. They get fixed very quickly."
User currently offlineAmerican 767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3735 posts, RR: 12
Reply 24, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 6845 times:
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And what about Comair in South Africa? Will they also replace their 737-300/400's with A320 equipment? About a year ago I flew on their 737-300/400 Series between JNB and CPT both ways and they both seemed to be young. I think that Comair will still keep the 737's for a while, maybe not the 200 Series but surely the 300 and 400 Series.

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25 BALHRWWCC : Comair are currently looking at replacing all it's current fleet with 737NG from 2012 This was due to severe cabin crew shortage at the LGW base for
26 RIX : - great news. "Private jet with strangers" upper deck Club World is going to be around for another 15 years. Hope to get upstairs there several more
27 Post contains links BALHRWWCC : According to the business section of the London Time BA are reconsidering the whole Project Lauren thing after Maxjet filed for bankruptcy http://bus
28 BALHRWWCC : The first deliveries of all 787-8 and the first few 787-9 will be used to grow the network and help to introduce new routes. Probably to markets such
29 TristarSteve : Hopefully Boeing or Airbus will be offering a new shorthaul aircraft to replace the 757/767 in 2016. BA can't order A320x indefinitely!
30 SNATH : I flew her two days ago (Dec 28), FRA to LHR!!! A flight to remember, I suppose... Tony
31 BALHRWWCC : Yes you would think so but the 737 and A32x are selling so well will boeing and airbus want to take a gamble. The A380 and 787 where a much needed Lo
32 Pfletch1228 : Your source for this? They have only had the 9 x 733 and 3 x 734 on fleet for a couple of years, with the first delivery ex BA of ship 25305 in Janua
33 Post contains links BALHRWWCC : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comair_%28South_Africa%29 Section 3 Fleet Very Probable and now there franchise is extended they have the security to in
34 Pfletch1228 : @BALHRWWCC : OK, I see where you got the info from. In this case, Wikipedia is not so much as wrong : more outdated. Comair have already taken the MD8
35 BALHRWWCC : The MD a/c where operated a kulula and have nothing to do with the BA franchise. The franchise a/c are 737-200/300/400
36 ERAUgrad02 : I'm still holding my fingers crossed on a 747-8i order. BA can't order all A380's to replace 747-400s. I guess it's more a question of WHEN and not IF
37 SXDFC : How about an EMB 170/175 or 190/195 in the BA Fleet? Couldn't they be useful? If so what routes you think they would be used on? How much longer are t
38 TristarSteve : You'll have them crossed a long time. The bulk of the B744s will be replaced by a large twin to be ordered in a years time. BA has ordered 12 A380 an
39 BALHRWWCC : Don't agree BA where less than impressed with the 747-8i the remaining a/c replacement will probably be a A380 , 772 and possibly 773. The only way B
40 SXDFC : I have also noticed that the 772A's and some 772ERs have the GE-90s so I guess that would have no effect of in BA were to choose the 773ER right? are
41 PM : Yes. It would certainly help but the GE90s that BA already have are not the same as the GE90-115s on the -300ER. BA's first 24 -200ERs had GE then th
42 Scbriml : Wow, I thought I was optimistic! IMHO, for BA, the 748i is less a case of IF or WHEN, more NEVER. I can easily see them ordering more than 19 in the
43 RIX : Their press-release clearly said, the rest of 747s will be replaced by next big twins order (as stated several times in this thread too). Getting mor
44 Sketty222 : These aircraft may work for BA City Flyer but as mentioned above, they are trying to get an all airbus shorthaul fleet for LHR-LGW .
45 GCT64 : I have G-BUSE flying HAM-LHR-TXL-LHR-LIN-LHR on 29 Dec 07 but can't find any reference to any flights since. Was G-BUSE's last (and BA's last A320-10
46 GCT64 : Now seen confirmation elsewhere that LIN-LHR on 29 Dec was indeed G-BUSE's (A320-100's) last revenue service with BA. Just the ferry flight to GYR to
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