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User currently offlineGlobaldreams From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 43 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 12 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 14093 times:

What is the longest A319 route in the world? I know that the A319 has a longer range vs the A320. At what point do airlines experience weight restrictions?

Thanks all. I did a search and did not find this topic discussed before (A319). I apologize in advance if it has.

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User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (6 years 12 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 14063 times:

Certainly one of the most vivid images that comes to my mind is the 319 seasonal flight from Newfoundland-UK - Saint John's, yes?

YYT-LHR - 2012 nm.

Transcontinental U.S. routes, such as SAN-BOS, if flown by a 319, would come in at over 2200 nautical miles. I am unfortunately not familiar with any other international 319 routes.



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User currently offlineYULYMX From Canada, joined May 2006, 977 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (6 years 12 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 14043 times:

YUL-MEX
YYZ-BOG?
yul-YVR
yul-bgi


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31433 posts, RR: 85
Reply 3, posted (6 years 12 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 14010 times:
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Are we talking base A319 or the A319CJ? PrivatAir flies the latter across the Atlantic between NA and the EU.

[Edited 2007-12-28 13:18:21]

User currently offlineYULYMX From Canada, joined May 2006, 977 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (6 years 12 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 13994 times:

base A319

ORD-SJU
ORD-sxm?


User currently offlineUnitedTristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (6 years 12 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 13984 times:

ORD to DUS on LH 3676 nm

-m



[Edited 2007-12-28 13:20:00]

User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17827 posts, RR: 46
Reply 6, posted (6 years 12 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 13981 times:

This month it is AF flying CDG-PNR at almost 3750 miles.


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User currently offlineUnitedTristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (6 years 12 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 13951 times:



Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 6):
This month it is AF flying CDG-PNR at almost 3750 miles.

or 3257 nm

-m

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User currently offlineYULYMX From Canada, joined May 2006, 977 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (6 years 12 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 13933 times:

YYZ-Piarco 2575 miles

User currently offlinePanAm330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2693 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (6 years 12 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 13934 times:

What's the longest route on a standard (read: non-corporate jet or premium layout such as PrivatAir) A319? Does UA operate SFO-BOS with one, or is that all-757?

User currently offlineYULYMX From Canada, joined May 2006, 977 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (6 years 12 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 13870 times:

YUL-SFO 2206 nm

longest AC319

YYZ-BOG is 2350 nm


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17827 posts, RR: 46
Reply 11, posted (6 years 12 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 13834 times:



Quoting UnitedTristar (Reply 5):
ORD to DUS on LH 3676 nm

Doh...that's correct. I was wondering where that was but LH doesn't call it a 319 in OAG.

Quoting PanAm330 (Reply 9):
What's the longest route on a standard (read: non-corporate jet or premium layout such as PrivatAir) A319? Does UA operate SFO-BOS with one, or is that all-757?

Should be S7 operating FRAOVB at 2616nm.



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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17827 posts, RR: 46
Reply 12, posted (6 years 12 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 13823 times:



Quoting PanAm330 (Reply 9):
Does UA operate SFO-BOS with one, or is that all-757?

Interestingly, it looks like UA has two daily Easbound 320s but all flights Westbound are 752s.



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User currently offlineYULYMX From Canada, joined May 2006, 977 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (6 years 12 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 13789 times:



Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 12):

A320 west bound would have difficulties to reach sfo


User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6428 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (6 years 12 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 13692 times:



Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 12):


Quoting PanAm330 (Reply 9):
Does UA operate SFO-BOS with one, or is that all-757?

Interestingly, it looks like UA has two daily Easbound 320s but all flights Westbound are 752s.

UA does do 319 transcons...I was a pax on a DEN-PDX flight about 18 months ago. When we got into PDX, I noticed that the gate signage (still the old-fashioned kind) was being changed to reflect the outbound flight, non-stop to IAD. They announced boarding for the outbound flight while we were on our way to baggage claim.



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User currently offlineSAS330GOT From Sweden, joined May 2004, 252 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (6 years 12 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 13616 times:

Quatar is doing regular service from Stockholm ARN to DOH nonstop with a A319ER. It's a 7 hour flight. Something like 2500nm. IIRC LH in co-op with privatair did FRA-ORD which must qualify as one of the longest regular flights with close to 3800nm and if I'm not mistaking it was operated by both a 737BBJ and A319ER.

Just my  twocents 


User currently onlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17148 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (6 years 12 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 13584 times:



Quoting SAS330GOT (Reply 15):
Quatar is doing regular service from Stockholm ARN to DOH nonstop with a A319ER. It's a 7 hour flight. Something like 2500nm

Thought about that also. Isnt that the longest route for Qatars A319s??



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User currently offlineUnitedTristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (6 years 12 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 13573 times:

Quoting PanAm330 (Reply 9):
What's the longest route on a standard (read: non-corporate jet or premium layout such as PrivatAir) A319? Does UA operate SFO-BOS with one, or is that all-757?

I think that EWR to LAX is more then likely the longest for UA at 2133 nm.

Humm...wait...looks like EWR to SFO is longer at 2229 nm

-m



[Edited 2007-12-28 14:34:09]

User currently offlineSAS330GOT From Sweden, joined May 2004, 252 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (6 years 12 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 13556 times:



Quoting B747forever (Reply 16):
Thought about that also. Isnt that the longest route for Qatars A319s??

Apart from private charter I would think so, not 100% sure though.


User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8663 posts, RR: 10
Reply 19, posted (6 years 12 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 13515 times:



Quoting PanAm330 (Reply 9):
What's the longest route on a standard (read: non-corporate jet or premium layout such as PrivatAir) A319?

It has already been answered: 3257nm. This is a standard 2 class, international layout aircraft.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 6):
This month it is AF flying CDG-PNR at almost 3750 miles.



User currently offlineMSYPI7185 From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 711 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 12 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 13473 times:



Quoting Globaldreams (Thread starter):
At what point do airlines experience weight restrictions?

Assuming a clean airplane - no MEL or CDL's that affect performance and weather is not a factor.

Take-Off
It largely depends on R/W length. If the R/W is say 10,000 - 11,000 feet long then you will more than likely reach the aircrafts MZFW and/or MTOW, before R/W limits are exceeded. High Alt/Temp airports could cause a restriction, but then again if the R/W is long enough you will be fine.

Landing
The runway length at your destination will also factor into whether or not there is a restriction. If, for example, the long R/W say 10,000 long is closed, and a shorter R/W is to be used for landing then the aircraft can possibly exceed its MLW causing a restriction on the flight.

Also some airframes are IGW versions which have higher load limits and you would/could literally run out of room for pax and cargo before you ever get to the max. weights. This is also possible with non- IGW versions.

Engine type can play a role, but it usually is not very significant.

The long and the short of it is:
It depends on the departure/destination airports involved and R/W length, assuming all R/W's are in service. The type/version airframe involved.

FYI: Non airline personnel info
MZFW - Maximum Zero Fuel Weight
MTOW - Maximum Takeoff Weight
MLW - Maximum Landing Weight
IGW - Increased Gross Weight

Sorry if this is too long, There is just not an easy answer as many factors are involved.

Take care


User currently offlineBofredrik From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (6 years 12 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 13458 times:

The Qatar Doha-Stockholm flight is 2481 nautical miles on A319LR.

User currently offline2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (6 years 12 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 13402 times:

How about NK's FLL-LIM ?


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User currently offlineBmacleod From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 2384 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 12 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 13393 times:



Quoting YULYMX (Reply 2):
YYZ-BOG?

That's really stretching it for the A319. Far as I know YYZ-KIN should the limits of the A319...

Just noticed AC has dropped YYZ-BOG - Seasonal service?

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 1):
Certainly one of the most vivid images that comes to my mind is the 319 seasonal flight from Newfoundland-UK - Saint John's, yes?

YYT-LHR - 2012 nm.

AC has pulled out permanently from YYT-LHR citing "lack of customer demand."



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User currently offlineYULYMX From Canada, joined May 2006, 977 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (6 years 12 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 13271 times:



Quoting Bmacleod (Reply 23):
AC has pulled out permanently from YYT-LHR citing "lack of customer demand."

services is summer only


25 Impacto : IB flies MAD-LOS (2384 nautical miles) with an A319 AF flies CDG-RUI (2936 nautical miles) with an A319LR YYZ-BOG is a 767-200. YYZ-CCS on the other h
26 Magyar : I have just flown on a US airways 757 from Kahului (HI) to Phoenix with < 40 pax on board!!! When asking they said the 'buses' cannot use the R/W at K
27 YULYMX : A330 ? fully loaded
28 Venezuela747 : Impacto beat me to it.... YYZ-BOG was upgraded to a 767 a while back...and YYZ-CCS clock in at about 2400 nm with a 319
29 Magyar : I suppose you suggesting that they were talking about A330 and not A319. I have seen a Delta (or AA) B767 landing at Kahului. So there are R/W that a
30 YULYMX : OGG can handle a 777 for landing but need togo to KOA gefore ORD a B764 can handle OGG from SLC and LAX, but not from ATL AA send a 763 from DFW
31 ZBBYLW : The 319 might not be able to make it due to ETOPS issues. I know AC used to fly YVR-YHZ showing 2399 nm
32 HAL : When I flew for America West we were doing some transcon flights in the 319, the longest being BOS-SFO at 2350nm. I flew that one once westbound, and
33 OB1504 : 2,283 nm. Probably in the top 10 or 15 for routes operated by standard, non-LR A319s.
34 Post contains links Bmacleod : It was a A319 in 2005. I checked the schedule... Sorry. They won't be returning next year... http://www.cbc.ca/canada/newfoundlan...r/story/2007/08/3
35 Pihero : That's the answer. And it's a scheduled flight. Of course, it's an A319ER, one of the six AF operates on the "Dedicate" network. Next longest is CDG-
36 GlobalDreams : Does anyone know which config AF uses? I noticed they have about 4 different seating configs including a 2 class 79 seat config.
37 JoeCattoli : 2086 nm actually 4558 nm actually... What airport did you mean?? Ciao Joe
38 BNEFlyer : I'm guessing Impacto meant RUN. This route is operated by a high density 77W from ORY by AF as well. Is the CDG flight a Dedicate flight?
39 TristarSteve : The QR A319LR are fitted with one ACT (Additional centre tank) although the airframe is plumbed for 6 tanks. The tank is regularly used on the DOH-AR
40 Pihero : Actually, it's RUH aka Riyadh, Saudi Arabia.
41 Gilesdavies : I did not know there was an A319LR/ER version available for normal airlines to purchase, I was aware of the A319CRJ... What airlines operate the A319L
42 B747forever : That is fantastic. Lets hope for a A330. Would love to see a QR A330 at ARN.
43 Post contains links Pihero : Here is the basic configuration : A319 seating config All the 320 family have the possibility of - as TristarSteve mentions - being equipped with ACT
44 FlySSC : Air France operates a fleet of 46 A319, configured in 3 different versions : 142 Y seats for the domestic network 138 C/Y seats for the European netw
45 Gilesdavies : Does that mean AF has all of their A319 fleet with the extra fuel tanks, so the fleet can be changed around? -----------------------------------------
46 Carledwards : I thought they were taken GB's aircraft for the time being? I cant imagine an easyjet 321 though!
47 Airbazar : Yes, it is available to any airline that wants it. It's just a standard A319 with auxiliary fuel tanks. In fact there have been suggestions here on a
48 Fokkerf28 : We fly PHX-ANC A319 2546NM usually goes out with with max fuel of 42,200 pounds of fuel. Always a balance issue as it is tail heavy. There is only so
49 GatoVolador : What about the Madrid (MAD) - Malabo (SSG) route, that IB flies with an A319? It's a 6 hours flight, two meals are served, and 4253 km (2296 nautical
50 KL911 : CY is using the A319 on AMS-LCA somedays during the week. Since the path they fly is normally AMS-BEG-ATH-LCA ( Because they can't use Turish airspace
51 FlySSC : No. Only 6 of them, used for the Long haul "Dedicate service" have the extra fuel tanks and so, are A319ER or A319LR They are : F-GRXG, XH, XI, XJ, X
52 Post contains links and images FlySSC : The longest nonstop flight ever operated by an A320's family airplane was : on October 9th 2004, an Airbus A319CJ flew nonstop from TLS (Toulouse-Fran
53 Seabosdca : I've read that B6 removed extra tanks from its A320 fleet as it found them counterproductive. With full passenger loads, not enough fuel could be loa
54 Impacto : King Khalid International Airport of Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. Thank you for the correction Pihero. I am aware that IB serves Malabo, but wasn't sure whi
55 Aces727 : Mexicana uses the A319 from Mexico City to Bogota and Caracas.
56 Doug_Or : at 2224 and 1962 these are some of the shortest routes mentioned.
57 Egmcman : Private air for LH fro FRA to New York. They also operate on behalf of Airbus. Do Daimler operate a coprorate shuttle to the United States still?
58 GCT64 : I think so, the last DCS100 (STR-PTK) and DCS101 (PTK-STR) recorded on Flightaware is on 21 Dec - which would make sense for a Christmas business shu
59 JoeCattoli : 2217 nm.. Ciao Joe
60 Post contains images Flynavy : Skybus, TLS-VCV.
61 Rdwelch : DEN-SJO is around 2400 (Statute?) Miles I believe. Not the longest, but in the top ten I'm sure. Gus.
62 USAirALB : i could have sworn that in early 2000s LH flew PDX-FRA on a A319. It seems impossible but i remember.
63 Viscount724 : AC has several A319 nonstop routes longer than YYT-LHR (which is now cancelled permanently). Examples: YUL-SFO 2206 nm YUL-LAX 2149 nm YHZ-YYC 2028 n
64 Gigneil : Its an A319LR, actually. Its not quite standard. Its an A319LR, with a max range of 4500nm depending on its tank config. PHX-HNL is no problem. It is
65 Gigneil : Its an A319LR, actually. Its not quite standard. Its an A319LR, with a max range of 4500nm depending on its tank config. PHX-HNL is no problem. It is
66 Post contains images Seabosdca : Thanks for the clarifications. Most helpful.
67 TristarSteve : Sorry but you seem to know more than me, but I work on the QR A319LR. It is fitted with one tank in the front of the rear freight hold. The aircraft
68 Post contains links and images Pihero : I wish you'd check your facts before you post. See link below. Rubbish and patently false. See link below How do you call an A319 with an ACT ?See li
69 TristarSteve : Thank you, I was getting worried I had heard it all wrong.
70 Post contains images Pihero : That coming from you, I can't believe, Steve ! You are too good a professional for that Happy New Year !
71 Argentina : Hi all, I prepared a list ordered from shortest to longest distance an A319 can fly, according to all you mentioned above, because Im interested in co
72 TristarSteve : Thanks and the same to you. But I won't be celebrating much tonight I start at 0500 tommorrow morning. Anyway what is an A319LR? Is it just a A319 wi
73 A342 : I guess you took off at MTOW? What MTOW did that particular aircraft have?
74 FlySSC : Air Canada is also flying an A319 on YUL-MEX (2305 mi) and MEX is quite high in Altitude.
75 Airbazar : It is reduced but it's still a standard 2-class international long-haul seating configuration. The lie-flat J seats are bigger therefore less seats i
76 LH506 : MX used to fly MEX-UIO-GYE-MEX don't know if that makes it to the list.
77 AM744 : Mexicana flies MEX-YVR 2128nm
78 Viscount724 : Thanks for the list. Just a suggestion -- use nautical miles rather than statute miles in future for easier comparison since nm is the more common op
79 Pihero : That's correct, plus the choice of the higher GW certification. The ACTs could also be a retrofit and some maintenance firms can do it.
80 A342 : Correct me if I'm wrong, but from what I know, ANY A319 version can have the 75.5 tonne MTOW, not just the LR and ACJ.
81 Pihero : Yep ! It's a choice ! A choice to be made with each airline / operator route requirements. For instance, AF has in their fleet the full range of cert
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