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Skybus Cancels Many Flights  
User currently offlineASFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2005, 1182 posts, RR: 3
Posted (6 years 10 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 11484 times:

Forgive me if this has been posted elsewhere - I couldn't find it. It seems that Skybus' plan for low fares and lousy service isn't doing too well. I think people at least expect that they will have a back up plan when things go wrong and it appears they have none at all. Their philosophy is "you get what you pay for", the only problem with that is that, often times, Skybus' fares are not the lowest at all. For the same price you can often get a ticket on an airline that will at least work towards reaccomodating you if they can't.

http://blogs.usatoday.com/sky/2007/12/skybus-1.html

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User currently offlineJetBlueAUS From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 1145 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (6 years 10 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 11472 times:

Its a shame, really. I think Skybus won't be with us for much longer. An airline who does not accomodate passengers and isn't all that important anyways, should not be in business. Quote from article:

Quote:
"People need to be aware of Skybus' conditions (of carriage)," Tenenbaum tells the Dispatch. "If Skybus did things the same way the major airlines do, they wouldn't be able to offer low fares."

Have you seen their last minute fares? Some I have seen have been ridiculous!



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User currently offlineNational757 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 720 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (6 years 10 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 11464 times:

From reply 7 in a previous thread:
Skybus A319 Heading To BFM At FL100 (by A340Spotter Dec 25 2007 in Civil Aviation)

Quoting DALjr (Reply 7):

I do know there was an aircraft damage on 12/25 on the aircraft scheduled to fly to BUR, though I dont know if this is the same aircraft. From what I heard the rear door settled on the airstairs and caused some damage to the door. The flight was cancelled and the pax were forced to make other accomodations on other airlines. After talking to some pax that were supposed to be on that flight, they said they were upset that Skybus made no other accomodations for them and that they had to pay a hefty sum to buy a ticket day of departure on other carriers.




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User currently offlineApodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 4287 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (6 years 10 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 11281 times:

Does Ryanair over in Europe have agreements with other airlines to reaccomodate pax in case of events like this? The reason I ask is because RyanAir is the airline that SkyBus seems modeled after. The problem with that is that people in the US are used to doing things a different way, and this is going to cause them PR nightmares, and it will also scare away repeat customers. Cheap airfares might be attractive, but in the end, these pax ended up paying higher fares.

User currently offlineJoost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3171 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (6 years 10 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 11263 times:



Quoting Apodino (Reply 3):
Does Ryanair over in Europe have agreements with other airlines to reaccomodate pax in case of events like this?

No.


User currently offlineFlynavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (6 years 10 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 11199 times:

Like it or not, the demise of this airline is in the best interest of the entire US airline industry. On top that, their inept management and moronic business plan will - in the end - do them in.

User currently offlineUN_B732 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 4289 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (6 years 10 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 11144 times:

SX seems to be the cool airline to rip on on A.net at the moment.


Do jetBlue, Skybus, Allegiant, or Frontier have interline agreements? Was jetBlue's fleet perfect when they were starting out?
Hopefully as Skybus builds out they will get more redundancy in their fleet from mech. problems.


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User currently offlineFlynavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (6 years 10 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 11101 times:



Quoting UN_B732 (Reply 6):

Yeah, just what the US airline industry needs - an airline selling $10 tickets with $100 per barrel oil.  sarcastic 

Their business plan is moronic.


User currently offlineLumberton From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 4708 posts, RR: 20
Reply 8, posted (6 years 10 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 10982 times:



Quoting Flynavy (Reply 7):
Yeah, just what the US airline industry needs - an airline selling $10 tickets with $100 per barrel oil. sarcastic

Thats not the astonishing part of this story.

What I find confounding is that there are banks that lend them money to do this and investors who part with their own cash!



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User currently offlineFlynavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (6 years 10 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 10952 times:



Quoting Lumberton (Reply 8):
What I find confounding is that there are banks that lend them money to do this and investors who part with their own cash!

As do I. But, as recent events have shown, banks will lend money to just about anyone these days.


User currently offlineJetblueguy22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 2808 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (6 years 10 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 10933 times:
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Quoting UN_B732 (Reply 6):
Was jetBlue's fleet perfect when they were starting out?

Absoultely not. But they got their act together soon. I had never heard too much about skybus and went on their website it it makes no sense. All they pretty much fly to is secondary airports. And they don't allow you to connect you have to make it multi-stops. I don't know about you but that is just plain old stupid.
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User currently offlineKnope2001 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2948 posts, RR: 30
Reply 11, posted (6 years 10 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 10812 times:

Frontier interlines, and so does Air Tran and Midwest, but JetBlue, Southwest and Allegiant do not. I also believe Spirit and USA 3000 are not interliners, but I think Sun Country is. (Not positive about thsoe last three).

Yes, Skybus is hampered by a very small fleet and limited network. Early on when JetBlue faced problems and had a more limited network, it was more difficult to readily get passengers where they were going without interlining. But it's worse for Skybus customers because they are essentially without support. Skybus has no customer service phone number and almost no airport support for customers. It's the kiosk and the website, and that's about it.

Back in the early days of JetBlue, if you were flying BUF-JFK-MCO and your JFK-MCO trip was cancelled, they would warn you about this in Buffalo already. An agent there would see when the next JFK-MCO flight available was and give you options. They may have offered you the alternative of taking a connection to Tampa instead If MCO didn't look promising anymore today. If they couldn't get you to MCO until tomorrow, they would change your BUF-JFK ticket to tomorrow as well and you could go back home until then.

Compare that to what some Skybus customers experienced. If you were booked Portsmouth-Columbus-Burbank and your Columbus-Burbank trip was cancelled, you probably didn't know that when you boarded in Portsmouth. If you did, it didn't matter because if you chose not to take your PSM-CMH trip today, your ticket became worthless. So you had to fly PSM-CMH today and then you're on your own in Columbus to figure out when next you could find an open Skybus flight CMH-BUR in the next days. There's no agent empowered to do anything for you in PSM or CMH and no phone number to call for help. The kiosk is hard-wired to allow you to do (a) in this circumstance or (b) or (c) in this other circumstance, and that's it. End of story.

Certainly Skybus discourages connections for a reason, and customers really do have themselves to blame in great part for taking a chance. However the "buyer beware" approach to customer expectations has thresholds and limits in the real world, and Skybus seems to be testing them. If I miss my Skybus flight through my own tardiness, I'll be unhappy with Skybus that their policy says I have to buy a new ticket if I want to travel, but the underlying cause was my own tardiness. If I miss a Skybus flight because Skybus themselves cancelled my earlier flight, the underlying cause was Skybus' mistake but I will still have to pay for a new ticket myself. That seems beyond the bounds of what most would consider "reasonable" even in a buyer-beware world.

Even for customers who did not try to build their own connection and just flew nonstop point-to-point, the lack of customer service with any sort of authority or power is stunning. I feel bad for the Skybus employees who have to face customers with their hands tied, their only real options being to walk them over to the airport kiosk or give them websites to go to at home or an internet cafe. Witnessed this very thing at the airport the other day.


User currently offlineHiflyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2176 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (6 years 10 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 10670 times:



Quoting Knope2001 (Reply 11):
I also believe Spirit and USA 3000 are not interliners

Correct. It had gotten so bad with Spirit that we had seen in the past a Spirit Exec go to a legacy carrier with a gold amex card and purchase tickets for multiple stranded Spirit pax. However, possibly due to financial constraints?, we have not seen that lately......just Spirit pax wandering terminals looking for alternate transportation.

Re Skybus I believe the only interaction any customer has with actual employees of Skybus is the flight crew....everything else is vendored out.


User currently offlineVoodoo From Niue, joined Mar 2001, 2092 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 10 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 10669 times:

re: comparisoon to Ryanair...Ryanair does have a 'we strongly suggest travel insurance' note on their website and of course sells it via the site as well.


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User currently offlineSh0rtybr0wn From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 528 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 10 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 10559 times:

I hope they last until summer, I was planning on flying from BOS (New Hampshire) to Florida this spring. I should get travel insurance, I guess, even though it will cost as much as the airfare.

So who will get their planes if they go bankrupt? Spirit? Frontier ? US?


User currently offlineFlynavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (6 years 10 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 10451 times:



Quoting Sh0rtybr0wn (Reply 14):

I would make other travel arrangements at this point. I doubt they'll be around that long. And for what? Just to say you flew on Skybus? Take Grayhound. You'll get better customer service there.


User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12119 posts, RR: 49
Reply 16, posted (6 years 10 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 10421 times:
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Quoting Sh0rtybr0wn (Reply 14):
So who will get their planes if they go bankrupt? Spirit? Frontier ? US?

The leasing company will get them back and go from there.



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User currently offlineOsiris30 From Barbados, joined Sep 2006, 3192 posts, RR: 25
Reply 17, posted (6 years 10 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 10371 times:



Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 16):
The leasing company will get them back and go from there.

Didn't they place an order for something like 50 320s?



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User currently offlineSA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3431 posts, RR: 26
Reply 18, posted (6 years 10 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 10208 times:
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Quoting Osiris30 (Reply 17):
Didn't they place an order for something like 50 320s?

65x A319's, from what I can see. Please correct me if I'm wrong.



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User currently offlineApodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 4287 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (6 years 10 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 10208 times:



Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 16):
Quoting Sh0rtybr0wn (Reply 14):
So who will get their planes if they go bankrupt? Spirit? Frontier ? US?

The leasing company will get them back and go from there.



Quoting Osiris30 (Reply 17):
Didn't they place an order for something like 50 320s?

Well, Virgin America is certainly looking to grow, and I think some 320's that were originally theirs are in service with Skybus now. Or they could help US accelerate the 737 retirement or NW the DC-9's.


User currently offlineFlynavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (6 years 10 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 10185 times:



Quoting Apodino (Reply 19):
Well, Virgin America is certainly looking to grow, and I think some 320's that were originally theirs are in service with Skybus now. Or they could help US accelerate the 737 retirement or NW the DC-9's.

A319s, not A320s.


User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6161 posts, RR: 24
Reply 21, posted (6 years 10 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 10183 times:



Quoting Voodoo (Reply 13):

As well as Ryan's much larger fleet and many more shorter flights allowing a/c to be easily moved to accommodate passengers. SX long trans-con flight basically take these planes out of service when it comes to being re-routed.

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User currently offline787EWR From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 204 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 10 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 10094 times:



Quoting Apodino (Reply 19):
Well, Virgin America is certainly looking to grow, and I think some 320's that were originally theirs are in service with Skybus now. Or they could help US accelerate the 737 retirement or NW the DC-9's.

I just read that Virgin America lost 32 Million since they started operations. While this may be initially acceptable, it might mean some changes for that operations.

Quoting AS739X (Reply 21):
As well as Ryan's much larger fleet and many more shorter flights allowing a/c to be easily moved to accommodate passengers. SX long trans-con flight basically take these planes out of service when it comes to being re-routed.

Exactly why Ryanair is able to cope with techs and weather issues. However, I believe that Ryanair, along with many other airlines are having pilot staffing problems..


User currently offlineOsiris30 From Barbados, joined Sep 2006, 3192 posts, RR: 25
Reply 23, posted (6 years 10 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 10067 times:



Quoting SA7700 (Reply 18):
65x A319's, from what I can see. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Ahh that's it.. I knew it was some stupidly large number from the 320 family. Why any startup would order that many planes (or anyone sell that many slots to a startup) is beyond me.



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User currently offlineAirTranTUS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (6 years 10 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 9498 times:

How do the likes of FR handle these things. Obviously having a larger fleet and diversified destinations helps a lot. When weather cancels flights or there are mechanical problems, do they try to rebook on other flights (of their own)? Ryanair does have phone numbers where they can be contacted though, something Skybus needs to figure out. The FR calls do cost you per minute though, but at least there is someone to call instead of going to a kiosk. The one passenger in the article said she had to go to a kiosk to rebook herself. Can the agents not do it at the gate? Not good Skybus.  no 

http://www.ryanair.com/site/EN/faqs....T&div=call_ctr&culture=GB&pos=HEAD


25 September11 : I think Skybus is operating on normal schedule now.
26 Jetfan : Well, only my personal experience, but FR doesn't perform any better in case of cnx. Given FR has much less frequency on a lot of their routes than e
27 BA747400 : Heres the thing: If you book on SX, you understand that these things can happen, and you know what the results are going to be. Likewise, if you book
28 Alias1024 : As an aviation enthusiast you know this, but I'm willing to bet that the vast majority of the flying public does not. It probably has never occurred
29 Juventus : That's my opinion. I've gotten flamed a couple of times for saying that, but I don't care. We don't need Skybus at all.
30 AirOne : Hi, Airlines are basically a commoditity, people only focus on price when purchasing it. People keep saying that Skybus is the worst experience, and t
31 GCT64 : Almost certainly correct. That was the same situation in Europe/UK when Easyjet, Ryanair etc. etc, started and the press was filled with horror stori
32 Sh0rtybr0wn : Yes, of course. Thats good enough for an aviation fan. Plus riding in the new 319s, plus getting out of icy New England for a weekend for about $75.
33 AS739X : Heard the same, I know a pilot looking to possibly go to Ryanair. That when you know US carrier pilots are unhappy. ASSFO
34 Wjcandee : There are plenty of circumstances in which the majors cancel your flight and don't have the ability to get you out on their own metal for a couple of
35 VictorKilo : I think there is a market for a limited services airline in the USA. But with relatively low fares already being provided by many other carriers in t
36 OPNLguy : Excellent point. The cost of the subservice probably would have been cheaper than the bad press they got...
37 Nkops : I have done that in the past... but rarely and only if no other options. The difference is, we (NK) have mult flights to back pax up on (at least at
38 Jetblueguy22 : That is what the government has to set up for all airlines. B6 has done it but the government has to make a universal law stating what airlines big a
39 Post contains images BravoGolf : What are you? Some kind of radical!!!
40 Post contains links Alangirvan : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Commission_Regulation_261/2004 Over in Europe they have been there, done that. Regulation 261/2004 is what an a
41 Jetbluejackets : surely you don't mean if it is a weather cancelation. Most "real" airlines do this in the event of a cancelation they are responsible for (mechanical
42 Jetdeltamsy : The policy works quite well for Southwest. They've ALWAYS had this policy. Now that they're huge, of course, it impacts them less than it does a smal
43 Acheron : Tell that to Ryanair(which is the business model Skybus is using) and their quite decent income.
44 Flynavy : Ryanair has been around for many, many years. That being said, I don't give a flip what Ryanair does. I don't give a flip about the UK airline indust
45 LAXintl : I dont care either way about the carrier, just curious as to why you seem so set against them? They do provide a service for which there appears to b
46 Flynavy : Did you even read the thread? Perhaps you can tell me where they plan to fly 65+ A319s from CMH and GSO, because I can't connect the dots anywhere on
47 LAXintl : We might disagree or doubt the viability of their business plan, but that we can actually do in regards to lots of different airlines, however people
48 Flynavy : This country is also based on freedom of speech. You didn't answer my question though. We would you fly 65 A319s from CMH and GSO with $100 per barre
49 Flynavy : Where* would you fly them (sorry for the spelling error)...
50 LAXintl : Like I said we might have doubts about their business plan, but let them try what they want. They are quite well financed from what I have read, and i
51 Post contains images Jacobin777 : ..you are certainly entitled to your opinion...but SX does have a right to exist..whether you like it or not... Where they tend to fly their whatever
52 Steeler83 : It's a good thing I don't have anything invested in these lending companies!! This airline folds, it could be disasterous -- for these folks, but I g
53 Flynavy : I never said they didn't have a right to exist - or cease to exist, for that matter.
54 AirTranTUS : Surely you don't think they will not create more focus cities? If they are emulating FR, then there will be a vatiety of focus cities across the coun
55 Jacobin777 : ...you certainly seem to not want them to exist....maybe they'll be relegated to being only a "niche" player in the industry...which they basically a
56 Steeler83 : Providing they last long enough to create more focus cities... Although, aren't they adding one down in GSO?
57 Cubsrule : This is a great point. It's frankly surprising how much unused charter lift there is in this country the vast majority of the time. Especially if SX
58 JetBlueJackets : I wonder how many employees at Skybus' Airports know how many feet are in a mile....
59 MSYPI7185 : I am not sure how much of this is actual sarcasm. I hope all of it is. I do not blame the agents. They can do only what they are allowed to do. I obv
60 SkyguyB727 : I think the Skybus spokesman's choice of words in the USA Today article is interesting. Here's the quote: Tenenbaum tells the Dispatch. "If Skybus did
61 JetBlueJackets : partially.... I work at CMH and everyday I see what goes on at SX...On good days, the check in lines are out the door resulting in hour long waits b/
62 MSYPI7185 : UA at ORD is a poor example. Lately that has been weather related. With many flights delayed with all airlines, a doubt there were many if any seats
63 PlanesNTrains : Agreed. Or just greed. So blame the banks, not the airline. Which is why I'd never fly them if given the chance, unless purely for pleasure and trave
64 Flynavy : At least we're on the same page. No one's told me where they're going (or not going) to fly 65 A319s from GSO or CMH yet though.
65 PlanesNTrains : Maybe because most of us don't care. -Dave
66 UN_B732 : And maybe because they plan on having more than two focus cities. -A
67 LV : Yeah, one time when I was flying Frontier my flight was canceled and they rebooked me on DL
68 LV : I wanted to add, I wonder if SkyBus is regretting allowing all the RSW media a lot of access when the came to PGD. All the TV stations here ran storie
69 Post contains links Clickhappy : I am surprised this hasn't been mentioned, from the original article: Overall, the carrier canceled 18 flights during the past two days, affecting as
70 Post contains images Jacobin777 : ..what's this? ..since you answered part of my reply 51 on reply 53 I guess you like to do selective reading.. .... No one knows the exact cities, bu
71 727LOVER : it doesn't say 1000, it says AS MANY as 1,000....so it could be 2,000 anyway, its the MEDIA...the same media that wrote that US left an old lady sitt
72 JetBlueJackets : that generally means the same as "up to" 1000 PAX..."as many" is used to reference a peak. the artice does not say "more than" or "at least" indicati
73 Post contains images ZTagged : Correct. Which means either they're pulling facts out of their asses Or Skybus has had extremely low load factors. Hmm.. My money's on the first.
74 Post contains links Clickhappy : Looks like the original quote was from Skybus: The low-fare carrier based in Columbus canceled 18 flights over the last two days while the aircraft we
75 Quagmire123 : " target=_blank>http://blogs.usatoday.com/sky/2007/1....html It was more than the media let on...those flights were pretty much all full. I'd say tha
76 CMHFlyGuy : Having worked in the newspaper industry for several years, in theory (at least) the news reporting operations should be completely separate from the
77 Post contains images Nkops : Correct.. Wx or ATC cancellations (see LGA), you re-book on your own airline when you can... issues in the airlines control you should re-book pax to
78 EI321 : Sorry if I sound blunt, but your talking about the same $100/barrel oil thats being pumped into the aircraft in the Southwest/Ryanair/Easyjet/AirAsia
79 Tornado82 : Because CMH is the 2nd nearest airport or any significance to AOH. If you're going to drive over an hour to DAY, or an hour and a half to CMH, that ~
80 CMHFlyGuy : But that operates under the assumption that everyone in Limaland flies either CMH or DAY. DAY is very popular, but so is FWA and TOL (even DTW when y
81 Luv2fly : The Dispatch is a newspaper first and investor second.
82 Tornado82 : The sum of all those towns/counties up that way isn't much though. If you can afford to fly the bend-me-over fares in places like FWA and TOL... you
83 ZTagged : Y'know, I could see SX in PIT. Or AGC, for that matter..
84 CMHFlyGuy : First - love the "FL and F9 look like Singapore or something compared to SX" comment, because I do agree with that 100%. I am no SX fan. I'll fly SWA
85 Tornado82 : It won't be AGC. ACAA runs both of them, and the county wouldn't allow it at AGC.. and are well within their power to forbid that. Where would these
86 Lumberton : Well, it's only a four drive between PIT and Columbus. Before I put up with the aggravation and the chance of being stranded, I'd drive.
87 Post contains images Tornado82 : Is your parking brake on, or are you stuck in 3rd gear? CMH is on the east side of Columbus. I could make it from Uniontown (SE of PIT by > 1 hr) to
88 ZTagged : There 'ya go! Park them around Century III, and shuttle 'em in! See? We're visionaries. Eh, I dunno. It might be nice to see their funkadelic Airbii
89 Osiris30 : I've avoided weighing in on the Skybus cancellation issue until this point because, frankly, I wasn't sure what I thought of it.. but now.. well: 1) I
90 44k : I work @ CMH too and I have seen how swamped that poor lady's candy store is by SX pax.... Also, the SX line goes right ahead of our AA check-in coun
91 JetBlueJackets : EVEN THEIR PR PEOPLE ARE MORONS!! But then again, you throw out a higher number it just looks like you made even more people's lives hell, making you
92 Post contains images AirframeAS : I think that's F9's order. Oh, most of us do care. What happens if SX tanks to death, who picks up the tab? Answer: The American Taxpayer. And why sh
93 Osiris30 : It was actually 65 319s as someone else pointed out above.
94 Wjcandee : Hello? Hello? Non-stop service! Very decent (albeit paid) food. Friendly folks. New planes, regular size. Not a bad situation if they're going where
95 Mariner : Hmmmm? Frontier has a total of 10 x A320's on order. mariner
96 BillReid : Agreed! Ok. Its Me trying to get to Mom for Christmas, and its only $10? Bullcrap. Mom is so upset that SX has cancelled I buy a $650 DL "A" inventor
97 Cubsrule : None of mine was. I can't count the number of times I've had airline agents make calls to other carriers to reaccommodate me, sometimes before the fl
98 FreequentFlier : While this is all well and good (and undoubtably true), getting people to drive 2 hours to fly you for $10 - $80 isn't going to make you profitable.
99 Post contains images Flynavy : Exactly my thoughts as well. Welcome to my respected users list.
100 PlanesNTrains : Actually, I doubt most give a rats you-know-what. If they tank, you are concerned about the taxpayer picking up the tab? What about UA, NW, DL, US, U
101 Vfw614 : Ryanair allegedly is one of the best paying airlines in Europe when it comes to pilots. If you check your lawbook on contracts, you will probably fin
102 Sevenair : I love these people who say 'SX is NOT needed'. If that were the case, we would ALL drive a Ford. We would ONLY eat in McDonald's. We would ONLY use M
103 Av8tor : I have yet to speak to someone who said they had a pleasant experience riding on Skybus. I hear the same complaints about poor customer service and mi
104 Post contains images Lumberton : Well, in the interest of full disclosure, my starting point is over 45 miles east of PIT, and since I'm not longer the young scoff-law I used to be,
105 ThrottleHold : Ryanair isn't technically a UK airline. It's Irish. Glad you used the word "allegedly"!! Talk to some of their recent joiners; worked to the bone for
106 JetBlueGuy2006 : Alright, dumb question, but what does IROPS stand for?
107 Post contains links and images AirframeAS : Quoting Mariner (Reply 95): Hmmmm? Frontier has a total of 10 x A320's on order. I said I think it was F9's order, I didn't say it is F9's order. But
108 CMHFlyGuy : And with $100 barrel oil, you are correct there. But that's where they'll probably make some adjustments. I could see them raising some of their fare
109 Post contains links Panaman : Uhhh I've flown them several time from CMH to SAN CMH to FLL and once from CMH to PSM not one issue. Did they press you for sales on board the plane
110 Post contains images Osiris30 : Well for $10 bux you *almost* got a flight.. I would look at the $10 as an airside pass at the airport :P Sure it sucks you had to pay Delta $650, bu
111 Quagmire123 : Bill, there is of course the option of just not going. It's not a life or death situation that Mom comes home for the holidays, is it? I've had fligh
112 Post contains images Jacobin777 : .."some years ago". Jet-A wasn't where it is today....cost of Jet-A for carriers has gone up in terms of expense from the teens to the 30's for some
113 Osiris30 : Even a bigger deal for the ULCC's as fuel is a bigger percentage of their overall operating costs due to stripping costs everywhere else to the bone.
114 PlanesNTrains : First of all, how many people have flown them? How many have complained? When you get those stats, get back to us. Until then, I prefer to assume tha
115 FlyCMH : I didn't want to make a new thread for this, so I figured I'd put it here. Checking their online schedule for the next 3 months from January to March,
116 Quagmire123 : There will actually be 9 aircraft in the next couple of weeks.
117 FlyCMH : Will they be intergrated into the schedule? Will they be certified and will SX have enough crew to fly the two extra aircraft? That blue-tailed A319
118 JetBlueJackets : from an inside source, I've heard that the a/c sitting on the SE pad was part of their deal for the A319's they got from AC (or some other canadian a
119 FlyCMH : Haha, oops!
120 Quagmire123 : They go to GSO which starts Jan 15th. One of them will have an advertisement for one of SX's destinations on the side.
121 FlyCMH : Anyone know what's going on with them now? SKB 227 BUR-CMH cancelled last night, and SKB 222, their first CMH-BUR flight, cancelled this morning. Thei
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