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User currently offlineAF086 From France, joined Jan 2007, 1059 posts, RR: 9
Posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 4143 times:

EFF30OCT08

AF442 - ETD CDG 2315LT - ETA GIG 0725LT - 744 - DAILY
AF444 - ETD CDG 1015LT - ETA GIG 1905LT - 332 - MoTuWeFrSaSu
AF444 - ETD CDG 1015LT - ETA GIG 1905LT - 343 - Th

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AF443 - ETD GIG 1850LT - ETA CDG 0700LT - 744 - DAILY
AF447 - ETD GIG 2105LT - ETA CDG 1115LT - 332 - MoTuWeFrSaSu
AF447 - ETD GIG 2105LT - ETA CDG 1115LT - 343 - Th


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User currently offlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2679 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 4007 times:

Is the daily double new or did they increase the aircraft size?

User currently offlineAF086 From France, joined Jan 2007, 1059 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 3992 times:



Quoting United787 (Reply 1):
Is the daily double new or did they increase the aircraft size?

The second flight (AF444/447) was created this winter. Next winter one of the frequencies of this flight will be flown with the A343 instead of the A332.



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User currently offlineLongHaul67 From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 248 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 3953 times:

Is there any chance that the 744 will be replaced with the 773 any time soon?

User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11406 posts, RR: 59
Reply 4, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 3741 times:
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Quoting LongHaul67 (Reply 3):
Is there any chance that the 744 will be replaced with the 773 any time soon?

I believe (and hope) GIG will be the first South America station to receive AF A380.
But if they decide to use 77W's, we will see a 3rd configuration between the current premium 77W and the COI 77W.

Quoting AF086 (Thread starter):
EFF30OCT08

AF442 - ETD CDG 2315LT - ETA GIG 0725LT - 744 - DAILY
AF444 - ETD CDG 1015LT - ETA GIG 1905LT - 332 - MoTuWeFrSaSu
AF444 - ETD CDG 1015LT - ETA GIG 1905LT - 343 - Th

I expect they should include more frequencies on A343. While it's a less premium product, it increases Y a lot.

Felipe



New York + Rio de Janeiro = One of the best combinations !
User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7558 posts, RR: 43
Reply 5, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 3676 times:



Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 4):
I believe (and hope) GIG will be the first South America station to receive AF A380.

Seriously? Before GRU?



Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11406 posts, RR: 59
Reply 6, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 3653 times:
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Quoting EddieDude (Reply 5):
Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 4):
I believe (and hope) GIG will be the first South America station to receive AF A380.

Seriously? Before GRU?

Yes, but i'm talking about AF only.
For your info, effective Feb 03, 2008, Air France will downgrade GRU-CDG from 7 B77W + 4 A343 + 3 A332 to 7 B772 + 4 A343 + 3 A332, in the middle of the Brazilian High Season.
Eff. March 30 the daylight will run only 7 A332.

Felipe



New York + Rio de Janeiro = One of the best combinations !
User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5283 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 3570 times:



Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 4):
I believe (and hope) GIG will be the first South America station to receive AF A380.

None of the current flights to GIG have F Class. So I doubt they will use the A380 there so soon, maybe eventually.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 4):
But if they decide to use 77W's, we will see a 3rd configuration between the current premium 77W and the COI 77W.

They have already announced a 3rd configuration for the 77W one that will begin to replace the 744's in late 2008, I think it was 42J 320Y.


User currently offlineHB-IWC From Greece, joined Sep 2000, 4496 posts, RR: 72
Reply 8, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 3567 times:



Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 4):
I believe (and hope) GIG will be the first South America station to receive AF A380.
But if they decide to use 77W's, we will see a 3rd configuration between the current premium 77W and the COI 77W.

I wouldn't count on the A380 at GIG. GIG is a two class station, and while there was talk that it would be upgraded to a 3-class station, that hasn't happened. Look for GIG to receive the new 2-class B77Ws, which are slated to replace the 13 remaining B744s, pretty soon after they start arriving.

As for the daylight operations, there will be a shift of A343 capacity from GRU to GIG, because the latter is for now enjoying higher Y demand, and the average AF Y yields are also higher in GIG than in GRU at this time.


User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7401 posts, RR: 57
Reply 9, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3463 times:



Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 4):
I believe (and hope) GIG will be the first South America station to receive AF A380.

Sorry to disapoint you my friend Felipe ... ! but I really doubt you will see the AF A380 in GIG. By the way, you won't see it in GRU either and probably nowhere else in South America.

Quoting LongHaul67 (Reply 3):
Is there any chance that the 744 will be replaced with the 773 any time soon?

As HB-IWC mentionned, all the 13 remaining B744 will be soon replaced by brand new 2 Class config. B77W ordered last May.
AF is negociating with Boeing to speed up the delivery of those new B77W.
The replacement will be done on the basis of 1 B744 out for 1 B77W in.
BKK, GIG and MIA should be the first stations to receive the new B77W iso the B744.

The A343 replacing the A332 is very logical as the A343 is offering more capacity in Y and less in J, but the A332 is perfect for "testing" a new frequency or an opening line.


User currently offlineOHLHD From Finland, joined Dec 2004, 3962 posts, RR: 25
Reply 10, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3340 times:

Good to hear. I am already delighted that there is a second flight a day which offers more chance for me getting on board as AF and CDG is my preferred choice to GIGBig grin

User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11406 posts, RR: 59
Reply 11, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 2702 times:
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Quoting FlySSC (Reply 9):
Sorry to disapoint you my friend Felipe ... ! but I really doubt you will see the AF A380 in GIG. By the way, you won't see it in GRU either and probably nowhere else in South America.

No problem my friend Pierre. At least i can dream  Smile But it's just based on the fact that since AF resumed the non-stop overnight flight they upgraded it sometimes. They stop while adding the 2nd flight to GRU but now seems that they are doing the same, and because of the lack of flights from GIG to London, Rome, Milan, Frankfurt, Munich, Zurich, Brussels, Amsterdam as well as some other destinations, AF seems to be doing very well as i expect.

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 8):
I wouldn't count on the A380 at GIG. GIG is a two class station, and while there was talk that it would be upgraded to a 3-class station, that hasn't happened. Look for GIG to receive the new 2-class B77Ws, which are slated to replace the 13 remaining B744s, pretty soon after they start arriving.

I keep thinking a F at least on some frequencies of the overnight flight would work fine. I'm on Sofitel Rio with dozens of Europeans paying US$ 700 per night, such kind of tourist that like (and could afford) a F product. It's the same on Carnival and several events in Rio. No doubt there is a market, at least for Friday, Saturday and Sundays frequencies.

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 8):
As for the daylight operations, there will be a shift of A343 capacity from GRU to GIG, because the latter is for now enjoying higher Y demand, and the average AF Y yields are also higher in GIG than in GRU at this time.

This is something i always have on my mind.

Do you have any info why AF decided to downgrade GRU on the middle of this IATA winter ? Does the new daylight to GIG as well as the big additional offer to GRU (IB, LH, TP and others) hurts AF ?

Felipe



New York + Rio de Janeiro = One of the best combinations !
User currently offlineNeo From Brazil, joined Jan 2001, 671 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2517 times:



Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 11):
Do you have any info why AF decided to downgrade GRU on the middle of this IATA winter ? Does the new daylight to GIG as well as the big additional offer to GRU (IB, LH, TP and others) hurts AF ?

And also with RG back daily to GRU-CDG, must have affected AF numbers in GRU, specially in Y.

Rgs,

Neo


User currently offlineMarioSPlane From Brazil, joined Mar 2007, 113 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2392 times:

Happy new year to all !

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 6):
For your info, effective Feb 03, 2008, Air France will downgrade GRU-CDG from 7 B77W + 4 A343 + 3 A332 to 7 B772 + 4 A343 + 3 A332

Lipe, do you know what kind of B772 it's going to be ? Old or les Nouveaux Espaces du voyage ?


Regards,

Mario


User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7401 posts, RR: 57
Reply 14, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2384 times:



Quoting MarioSPlane (Reply 13):
Lipe, do you know what kind of B772 it's going to be ? Old or les Nouveaux Espaces du voyage ?

There is no more "old" B772ER. ALL the fleet is now equipped with the "Nouveaux Espaces du Voyage". Their configuration is 4P/49J/211Y


User currently offlineMarioSPlane From Brazil, joined Mar 2007, 113 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2363 times:



Quoting FlySSC (Reply 14):
There is no more "old" B772ER. ALL the fleet is now equipped with the "Nouveaux Espaces du Voyage". Their configuration is 4P/49J/211Y

Thank you. Perhaps you could point that out to the people taking care of their web site...  Wink



Cheers


User currently offlinePHKLM From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Dec 2005, 1198 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2335 times:



Quoting FlySSC (Reply 9):
AF is negociating with Boeing to speed up the delivery of those new B77W.
The replacement will be done on the basis of 1 B744 out for 1 B77W in.

Will these planes be delivered in the 3-4-3 Y setup "Lignes Internationales" because they are replacing the 747's?


User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7401 posts, RR: 57
Reply 17, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2234 times:



Quoting PHKLM (Reply 16):
Will these planes be delivered in the 3-4-3 Y setup "Lignes Internationales" because they are replacing the 747's?

All the futur new delivered B77W, whether they are in 2 or 3 classes, will be fitted with the 3x4x3 config in Y. The "oldest" will be retrofitted during this year 2008.


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