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MSY Rumor Mill About Flights  
User currently offlineRyanrap1 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 196 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 11 months 1 day ago) and read 3509 times:

Well Folks its that time again...this is what I am hearing from the RUMOR mill about MSY lots of input is encouraged...
Airtran- Adding MKE to its list of non stops from MSY
American- Nothing from rumor mill
Continental- additional IAH and EWR upgrades of aircraft
Delta- New Non Stop Service to San Fransisco, Denver, and Knoxville
ExpressJet-Nothing from rumor mill
jetBlue- 2 Non Stops to Boston
Northwest- cutting 2 flights to MEM
Southwest- adding 8 more daily flights to Love Field
United-1 Additional DEN
US AIRWAYS- Nothing from Rumor Mill...
On a side note...do to the success in Baton Rouge, Frontier has no plans to return at all to New Orleans...

Questions, Comments, Suggestions, Thoughts are encouraged and recommened.

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User currently offlineJetBlueJackets From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 175 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 11 months 1 day ago) and read 3487 times:

B6 MSY-BOS would not surprise me one bit, neither would JAX-BOS...long overdue

WM 8 more to DAL? Seems like a little overkill to me


User currently offlineSFOQQAA From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 96 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (6 years 11 months 1 day ago) and read 3478 times:



Quoting Ryanrap1 (Thread starter):
Delta- New Non Stop Service to San Fransisco, Denver, and Knoxville

Seems like an odd pairing for DL? But, I'm sure they've got their people looking at the viability.


User currently offlineMSYtristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (6 years 11 months 23 hours ago) and read 3460 times:



Quoting Ryanrap1 (Thread starter):
Airtran- Adding MKE to its list of non stops from MSY
American- Nothing from rumor mill
Continental- additional IAH and EWR upgrades of aircraft
Delta- New Non Stop Service to San Fransisco, Denver, and Knoxville
ExpressJet-Nothing from rumor mill
jetBlue- 2 Non Stops to Boston
Northwest- cutting 2 flights to MEM
Southwest- adding 8 more daily flights to Love Field
United-1 Additional DEN
US AIRWAYS- Nothing from Rumor Mill...
On a side note...do to the success in Baton Rouge, Frontier has no plans to return at all to New Orleans...

I'll go down the list one by one and share my opinions.

1) I can see FL adding MKE. It was a proposed route when they were trying to buy YX. Probably weekend service. As for other routes...BWI and MDW would be nice, but they'd be competing with WN.
2) American doesn't have much left to add. Maybe just have LGA go year-round instead of seasonal, that's about it.
3) I don't really see CO upgrading IAH aircraft size, but I could see EWR get a 738 or two at some point.
4) DL could do well with both DEN and SFO flights. They used to serve those markets nonstop back in the day. TYS would be very odd and would shock me if they added that one.
5) I see XE staying at its current 10 flights.
6) B6 to BOS has been talked about for years....since '04 at least. I think it could do well if added.
7) If NW cut 2 MEM flights they would be replaced by a regional affiliate since that would only leave them with one flight.
8) No need for Southwest to add 8 more flights to Love Field. I can see two more, not eight. Also new destinations would be nice.
9) Since UA is the only show in town on MSY-DEN that is not too far fetched. It'd do well if added.
10) US MSY-PHX is a constant rumor but I'll believe it when I see it.

And as for F9 not coming back...oh well. At least they are happy in BTR, but they are missing the boat on not serving New Orleans proper, which is a growing market.


User currently offlineRyanrap1 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 196 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 11 months 23 hours ago) and read 3448 times:

what do you mean NW if flights were cut would be replaced by a regional affiliate?

User currently offlineMSYtristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (6 years 11 months 23 hours ago) and read 3438 times:



Quoting Ryanrap1 (Reply 4):
what do you mean NW if flights were cut would be replaced by a regional affiliate?

If NW cuts two flights on MEM-MSY they'd only be left with one. That's very uncompetitive for starters. Also, just about all cities in the south see three dailies to MEM. So if NW cuts 2x MEM, they'll throw Mesaba or Pinnacle CRJ's in the market instead.


User currently offlineMSYtristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (6 years 11 months 23 hours ago) and read 3373 times:

For historical purposes, here was DL's schedule between DEN and MSY...

DEN-MSY

DL945 0945 1305 72S

MSY-DEN

DL545 0950 1115 72S


MSY-SFO on DL was operated by L1011 aircraft for a short time. I think it operated between early 1980 and mid 1983


User currently offlineRyanrap1 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 196 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 11 months 22 hours ago) and read 3349 times:

I hope to see Taca and Air Canada back SOON!

User currently offlineMSYtristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (6 years 11 months 22 hours ago) and read 3328 times:



Quoting Ryanrap1 (Reply 7):
I hope to see Taca and Air Canada back SOON

As do I.

I think AC will be back as soon as the convention business returns to normal, although TA could have been back for months now. The Honduran population which supported the flight has not gone anywhere, and the Latin American population on the whole has grown greatly in the area.


User currently offlineBNinMSY From United States of America, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 332 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 11 months 22 hours ago) and read 3268 times:

Adding my comments (Inserted)

Quoting Ryanrap1 (Thread starter):
Airtran- Adding MKE to its list of non stops from MSY - is there a market for MSY-MKE or maybe something more like MSY-OMA-MKE or MSY-MCI-OMA

American- Nothing from rumor mill - they need retime the LGA nonstops and add a BOS nonstop.

Continental- additional IAH and EWR upgrades of aircraft - upgrade EWR to an afternoon 757 to make the international connections.

Delta- New Non Stop Service to San Fransisco, Denver, and Knoxville - I doubt any of this will happen seriously.

ExpressJet-Nothing from rumor mill - they should add a nonstop 2 x daily to SHV

jetBlue- 2 Non Stops to Boston - that would be cool, then American would not be required.

Northwest- cutting 2 flights to MEM - i don't see this happening - they might as well eliminate the MEM hub if they are going down to 1 daily - but I think as MSYTriSTar said they will just supplement with their affiliate carriers,as they hve done with MSP flights.

Southwest- adding 8 more daily flights to Love Field - not going to happen, but I think they will continue to build their schedule here - maybe with nonstops to SAN, OAK again.

United-1 Additional DEN - this would be good. While I would prefer to have F9 back .. we will take the UA services

US AIRWAYS- Nothing from Rumor Mill... - they don't hve the aircraft supposedly to add MSY-PHX ... but it's logical down the road.

On a side note...do to the success in Baton Rouge, Frontier has no plans to return at all to New Orleans...

Glad to hear F9 likes BTR ... good for both parties!


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23203 posts, RR: 20
Reply 10, posted (6 years 11 months 19 hours ago) and read 3139 times:



Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 3):
Also new destinations would be nice.

STL, MCI, RDU, and PHL all seem to have some potential. Of that list, I'd say MCI and RDU make the most sense, simply so that they avoid contending with AA and US.



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User currently offlineMSYtristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (6 years 11 months 19 hours ago) and read 3122 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 10):
STL, MCI, RDU, and PHL all seem to have some potential. Of that list, I'd say MCI and RDU make the most sense, simply so that they avoid contending with AA and US.

American Connection will be offering 5 weekday nonstops starting next week between MSY and STL, so I think WN would have a tough time cracking that market based on the AA frequency alone.

XE has 2x to MCI and RDU right now, but as proven with BHM, if WN enters a market, I'm sure XE would leave.

US currently has 3x mainline to PHL, but there's room for WN. Before Katrina US had 5 to PHL and WN had 1...so there's still some room left in that market for both to co-exist I would think.


User currently offlineJetBlueAUS From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 1145 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (6 years 11 months 19 hours ago) and read 3115 times:



Quoting Ryanrap1 (Thread starter):
jetBlue- 2 Non Stops to Boston

I would like to see it as well. However, this has been long awaited...



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23203 posts, RR: 20
Reply 13, posted (6 years 11 months 19 hours ago) and read 3090 times:



Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 11):
American Connection will be offering 5 weekday nonstops starting next week between MSY and STL, so I think WN would have a tough time cracking that market based on the AA frequency alone.

I'm inclined to agree, though AA's walkup fare is close to $500 o/w, so there's definitely room for WN to work some of its magic. 2-3 daily flights isn't 5, but it isn't so many fewer that it's uncompetitive.

I neglected to mention SAN before; WN's westbound route map is pretty thin, and I suspect SAN is the first addition we'll see in that direction.



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User currently offlineMSYtristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (6 years 11 months 19 hours ago) and read 3072 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 13):
2-3 daily flights isn't 5, but it isn't so many fewer that it's uncompetitive

I think WN flew that route back around '84. I always thought it'd be a good run for them. And I agree that WN could go in, lower those fares to $99 one way, and steal some of AA's thunder.

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 13):
I neglected to mention SAN before; WN's westbound route map is pretty thin, and I suspect SAN is the first addition we'll see in that direction

SAN would be nice to have back...as would OAK or SFO.


User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9262 posts, RR: 21
Reply 15, posted (6 years 11 months 19 hours ago) and read 3060 times:



Quoting JetBlueAUS (Reply 12):
I would like to see it as well. However, this has been long awaited...

How about B6 creating a small focus city at AUS and adding MSY service there, along with Florida routes, SAN, BUR, and SFO.  Smile



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23203 posts, RR: 20
Reply 16, posted (6 years 11 months 19 hours ago) and read 3055 times:



Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 14):
SAN would be nice to have back...as would OAK or SFO.

I think OAK would do well also. The only reason that I singled out SAN is that WN tends to open SAN before OAK from stations in the southern half of the country (e.g. AUS, SAT) but OAK before SAN in from stations in the northern half of the country (e.g. DEN, SLC).



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User currently offlineJetBlueJackets From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 175 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 11 months 18 hours ago) and read 3018 times:



Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 15):
How about B6 creating a small focus city at AUS and adding MSY service there, along with Florida routes, SAN, BUR, and SFO.

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm  idea   tapedshut 


User currently offlineJetBlueAUS From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 1145 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (6 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2727 times:



Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 15):
How about B6 creating a small focus city at AUS and adding MSY service there, along with Florida routes, SAN, BUR, and SFO.

That would pretty much be a dream come true.  Smile



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User currently offlineDalb777 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2192 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2527 times:



Quoting Ryanrap1 (Thread starter):
Delta- New Non Stop Service to San Fransisco, Denver, and Knoxville

I wonder what kind of aircraft they would use, and if they would be mainline or regional. SFO would probably be a 738, DEN could be either mainline or regional, and TYS would probably be regional. Any other speculations?



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User currently offlineMSYtristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2482 times:



Quoting Dalb777 (Reply 19):
I wonder what kind of aircraft they would use, and if they would be mainline or regional. SFO would probably be a 738, DEN could be either mainline or regional, and TYS would probably be regional. Any other speculations?

If I were to guess, SFO would have to be 738, DEN I could see M88 or CR9, and TYS nothing more than ERJ certainly. The problem with TYS is that, last time I looked...and this was before Katrina...it had less than 50 O&D passengers per day to MSY. That number could be slightly less now.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33182 posts, RR: 71
Reply 21, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2471 times:

UA returning to SFO-MSY is an absolute given overtime. I'm shocked it hasn't happened yet.

Quoting Dalb777 (Reply 19):

I wonder what kind of aircraft they would use, and if they would be mainline or regional. SFO would probably be a 738, DEN could be either mainline or regional, and TYS would probably be regional. Any other speculations?

Here is a realistic guess: EQV. (If you are a true airline geek, you know what that means).

[Edited 2008-01-01 19:57:30]


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User currently offlineMSYtristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2456 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 21):
757s, via Atlanta

Granted it would surprise me if they would start them (especially TYS), but I do think DL will continue to beef up MSY service with new P2P flights over time.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33182 posts, RR: 71
Reply 23, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2445 times:



Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 22):

Granted it would surprise me if they would start them (especially TYS), but I do think DL will continue to beef up MSY service with new P2P flights over time.

I disagree, but I also think it will be a general trend in 2008 to see airlines cut back on P2P flights unless fuel prices go down significantly. We've already seen that trend starting, and I think it will continue, jetBlue and Southwest aside.



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User currently offlineMSYtristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2429 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 23):
I disagree, but I also think it will be a general trend in 2008 to see airlines cut back on P2P flights unless fuel prices go down significantly

Well, I guess only time will tell. In the meantime, one can hope. It's just good to see DL doing some things they used to do out of here....direct flights to NYC, L.A, etc.


25 Mariner : They have no immediate plans - but they have never ruled out a return to MSY, even after BTR started going gangbusters. They have said MSY is constan
26 MKENut : I heard YX may add MCI-MSY to their route map.... I bet it will be SkyWest flying a CRJ on that route if it happens.
27 MSYtristar : Actually I just confirmation on that same thing from a friend of mine who works at F9 HDQ. She asked someone in schedule planning and they told her t
28 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : ...and then dropping it a few months later. That airline could be called a lot of things, but "consistent" isn't always one of 'em. Sad too, they've
29 Post contains images SKYYBLUE : I've heard this as well, for the past few years. Something tells me its going to happen this year. I think 1 daily flight would be nice to start out.
30 Tom in NO : CO's the new champion at MSY. 350 more seats daily to/from IAH than pre-K for starters. As Fred stated, a mere shell of their former self. And while
31 BOStonsox : JAX-BOS was announced today, so you never know! And that would allow them to serve DAL (a route they want to serve). B6 currently can't because it do
32 MSYtristar : It did for about a year after the storm until the MSY area got its feet back under it. Now, not anymore.[Edited 2008-01-04 14:37:35]
33 ConcordeBoy : That was the thought immediately after the storm, but it's largely been reversed to the traditional status (quo).... the MSY metro remains the unchal
34 Mariner : Why fly a competitive route when a no-compete route is just down the road? MSY was always a variable destination for Frontier. Frontier's DEN pax can
35 MSYtristar : Of the Gulf South you mean between Houston and Jacksonville.
36 MSYtristar : But those aren't likely MSY bound passengers. BTR has a metro population over 500,000 last time I checked so that should be big enough, in theory, to
37 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : ...can't say I agree with that: MOB is challenging the hell outta MSY--- and lately, winning That, and TPA is a metro twice our size; with scheduled
38 Post contains images Mariner : Some are. Then why were so many MSY folk - here - so very negative (or just sour) when Frontier announced BTR? Well - yes, I'm sure they have, becaus
39 MSYtristar : Still, even with its growth, MOB is a much smaller metro with far less business traffic.Not even close. I should have clarified my statement and said
40 Tom in NO : There's a disappointment factor when a metro area that's returned to over 1.2 million population (with the .3 million pop that's stayed away mostly p
41 MSYtristar : The only one left is a DL CRJ to DCA. All the others....CO to EWR, AA mainline to DFW, AA to STL, DL mainline to ATL, DL to LGA, DL to CVG, DL to MCO
42 ConcordeBoy : ....over 700,000 actually. ...but not in the business sector that's been NOLA's saving grace as of late: it's port. MOB is eating into our port activ
43 MSYtristar : Well, MOB has always had a fairly strong port. It has taken some business away, sure, but everything I have read from the Port of NO (portno.com) ind
44 Mariner : That has been made very clear. You have done it in this thread - something about getting their heads screwed on straight? There is also a disappointm
45 Post contains images MSYtristar : Only because the Ted's are oversold already.
46 ConcordeBoy : ...guess turnabout's only fair-play, even if it is with just a single flight. MSY's been stealing BTR-originating flights for decades. Heck, Anthony M
47 Post contains images Tom in NO : Glad to see it.....not being familiar with BTR's incentive programs, but having a basic knowledge of MSY's.....is there an expiration date on the F9/
48 MSYtristar : Yep, I know BTR is glad to have 'em. History has proven that new flights don't make it there very long. Maybe it'll work out this time.
49 Mariner : I hope so, too. And the fares and loads would indicate that probablity. But if the route proves to be unprofitable after that, I would expect it to b
50 MSYtristar : Who's whining here? No one I see. It's not a question of accepting reality, it's a question of discussing potential new service in a rumor mill threa
51 Mariner : I can't think why I should feel good about the perpetual dumping on Frontier's decision to fly DEN-BTR. If you mean Frontier at BTR, it is 2 x daily,
52 JetBlueAUS : Mariner, have Frontier's load factors improved on the DEN-BTR routes?
53 MSYtristar : Mariner, you know I respect the hell out of you. I really do. Ever since I worked for the airline I have said to myself "this man knows the business
54 Mariner : Why? (a) why would Frontier be mentioned since they don't fly to MSY and (b) why should I not read and respond? And, just out of interest, are you sa
55 Post contains links and images MSYtristar : And besides, how could I think of dumping on Frontier when they let me dress up as Hulk Hogan for Halloween 2004.
56 MSYtristar : I guess this is where our definitions of what is negative and what is not differs. But, that's ok, to each his own. Because i'd be interested to see
57 Post contains images Mariner : Um - how does that work? Within the past week or so I recall a thread in which I said that Frontier has MSY constantly under review. You agreed with
58 MSYtristar : Yeah, I remember that one. I guess my point was that all of this was not Frontier bashing, so you shouldn't take it as such. I've said all that I nee
59 ConcordeBoy : ...how the heck did I miss that one?!
60 Post contains images MSYtristar : I don't know, but it'll be tough to miss this one....the very first A318 in U.S commercial service seen at gate C-1 during its first ever visit to MS
61 Post contains images Tom in NO : Steve, noting the Hulk Hogan pic, are you ready for your role as the King of Bacchus early next month? Mariner, appreciate your comments, though I'm n
62 Mariner : At the risk of repeating myself, I have seen nothing but negativity from the MSY posters towards the Frontier DEN-BTR service, and I have seen that i
63 ConcordeBoy : ...you also appear to suspect that to be totally derived from the BTR/MSY rivalry, when you've been told (repeating ourselves) that it's mostly a fac
64 Mariner : I don't think it is rivalry. I shrug. If it's working, it's working. And it appears to be working, at least so far. If it proves not to work in the l
65 ConcordeBoy : Well, 'least the first three words in that statement are accurate; considering... ....for now Who's suggesting that it would be?
66 Mariner : At least two here and have suggested that they should. I'm afraid I don't understand the first part of that post at all. I still don't think it is ri
67 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : shocking ...I was speaking of the rivalry that exists between New Orleans and Baton Rouge in all matters economic; not specifically between Armstrong
68 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : ...though, ya still haven't gotten me any juicy leads on new potential int'l service for years! I'm startin' to hate on ya
69 Mariner : I live half a world away. Any "rivalry" - if such there is - is meaningless to me. That's right. And - ? mariner
70 ConcordeBoy : ...as is you, or your assessment thereof, to it-- ergo, what was even the point in saying such?
71 Post contains images MSYtristar : That doesn't make a lot of sense all things considered, and it'd be a poor business move. They'd effectively be abanding an area with a combined popu
72 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : ooh, ooh... let's go into Kabby's like that--- perhaps we'll get our stuff free?!
73 MSYtristar : Dude, let's do it, it's on Sunday before Mardi Gras. We'll have to go after the parade, of course. I can't miss the Hulkster.
74 Mariner : That's right. And since I think it is better than even money that Southwest will start DEN-MSY, even less reason for Frontier to do it. More like sho
75 Mariner : I didn't say it was rivalry. You used that word. mariner
76 ConcordeBoy : Mon dieu, can you follow a friggin' linear conversation?! I was referring to your immediately-preceding statement.
77 Mariner : Obviously not, because I have no idea what you are talking about. mariner
78 MSYtristar : Well, I can't help you out with that I'm afraid. But I think I've tried. Alas, not all things are successful in life. Fair enough, I guess. Exactly,
80 MSYtristar : They had a "let the employees name the airplanes" contest on the intranet and my suggestion for 903 (with the Orca on the tail) won. I didn't get a p
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