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Tarom 737 Hits Car On Runway At Take Off  
User currently offlineArniePie From Belgium, joined Aug 2005, 1265 posts, RR: 1
Posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 25167 times:

According to a competing website (PPr.....) a 737-300 TAROM charter flight hit a service car which was left on the runway while taking off for Sharm El Sheik.
Supposedly no injuries, also I don't know how severe the collision really was and if the plane aborted take-off or just did actually take-off.
visibility was limited (fog).

Anybody (maybe Hungarian members???) have more info?


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User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12566 posts, RR: 46
Reply 1, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 25193 times:
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Quoting ArniePie (Thread starter):
Anybody (maybe Hungarian members???) have more info?

Romania would be closer to home!  wink 



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User currently offlinePlunaCRJ From Uruguay, joined Nov 2007, 574 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 25186 times:

How can somebody forget a car on a runway?

Glad they were no injuries, this had the potential to being a big accident.


User currently offlineArniePie From Belgium, joined Aug 2005, 1265 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 25170 times:



Quoting Scbriml (Reply 1):
Romania would be closer to home!

 blush  Seems like I'm one of those dumb Europeans that doesn't know his Geography.



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User currently offlineZTagged From Niger, joined Oct 2007, 516 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 25143 times:

Wait.. Could this be another media-hyped incident where it collided with a service truck sitting on a dirt patch/taxiway during it's roll, or did it really t-bone a car parked (Why??) on the runway?


Something awful.
User currently offlineAlessandro From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 25124 times:

Happened in Bucharest, pic here http://www.realitatea.net/129176_BRE...ta-aeroportului-Henri-Coanda-.html

User currently offlineArniePie From Belgium, joined Aug 2005, 1265 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 25032 times:



Quoting Alessandro (Reply 5):

That don't look good, seeing the photo it looks like there is still a lot of fog.
Does this usually leads to a write-off as there seems to be substantial damage and the plane is probably not that young anymore?


Anyway glad everybody got out OK, could have been a lot worse.



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User currently offlinePlunaCRJ From Uruguay, joined Nov 2007, 574 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 25017 times:

When I first read the post, I immediately though about the PanAm N747PA incident in SFO. Instead of hitting the lights, this plane hit the car.

(Will the insurance pay the car?)

Glad everyone is OK

[Edited 2007-12-30 04:12:13]

User currently offlineAlessandro From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 25016 times:

120 passenger onboard according to http://www.rompres.ro/full_medianews.php

User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12146 posts, RR: 51
Reply 9, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 24979 times:

It looks like the left MLG was sheared off and the left wing is sitting on the #1 engine. This is a significant amount of damage, but airplanes with this type of damage have been repaire. It could be a write off, depending on how old (hours and cycles) the airplane actually is.

User currently offlineAlessandro From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 24966 times:

Well, the country been seriously affected by fog, see http://www.nineoclock.ro/index.php?p...ategorie=homenews&id=20071228-7978

User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7605 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 24618 times:

They were built in 1994

User currently offlineHotelmode From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2007, 460 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 24405 times:

Amazing passenger video of the incident here. Could have been very nasty.

http://www.tvr.ro/articol.php?id=26596&c=47


User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7605 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 24235 times:

YR-BGC was about 27 sec into the TO run, must have been close to V1

User currently offlineCoronado990 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1598 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 24184 times:

Damn, that's nasty. Made my heart sink. Who leaves cars on a runway. Do you just park and start walking? I don't get it.


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User currently offlineTaromA380 From Romania, joined Sep 2005, 334 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 24137 times:

It's always interesting to have a video clip from inside the plane, after incidents.

I am surprised it wasn't worse, because the speed was quiet high, the clip shows the plane accelerating for plenty of seconds with a rather high ground speed.

The passenger says the plane went outside the runway after the shock.

There were two people around the car, working on runway lights system, they escaped not injured. You can imagine their scare when in the middle of working on the runway, thinking the zone is secure (unaware of the ATC ignorance about them), they saw a plane coming at take off speed toward them ...


User currently offlineJetblueguy22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 2797 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 23982 times:
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Quoting PlunaCRJ (Reply 2):
How can somebody forget a car on a runway?

So thats where I left my car! Im sure someone is feeling really stupid right now.
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User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4749 posts, RR: 44
Reply 17, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 23887 times:

Glad to hear everyone made it out and is ok.

And to reiterate what everyone else is saying - HOW does one leave a car on the runway?



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User currently offlineBeagleboys From Italy, joined Jun 2006, 230 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 23334 times:

http://www.trasporti-oggi.it/archives/00018610.html

According to AGI (Agenzia Giornalistica Italiana/Italian press Agency) the car was left by some engineers that was repairing some "lights". The incident happened in a "pre-takeoff" moment(TAXI?)... Thats why there are no casualities...

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User currently offlineTaromA380 From Romania, joined Sep 2005, 334 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 23238 times:

From what I read in romanian, it was not a "forgotten car" but a maintenance car, with two engineers working on the runway light system. The lack of coordination with the ATC is obvious, someone in the airport staff screwed it big time.

User currently offlineThreepoint From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 2135 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 23202 times:

Quoting Beagleboys (Reply 19):
The incident happened in a "pre-takeoff" moment(TAXI?)... Thats why there are no casualities...

You may wish to review the video in reply 12 that suggests TAROM pilots tend to taxi very very quickly at high power settings.

[Edited 2007-12-30 08:46:13]


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User currently offlineTeme82 From Finland, joined Mar 2007, 1526 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 23127 times:
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Quoting TaromA380 (Reply 20):
From what I read in romanian, it was not a "forgotten car" but a maintenance car, with two engineers working on the runway light system. The lack of coordination with the ATC is obvious, someone in the airport staff screwed it big time.

Sounds like there is a lot work to do in Romania. The weather was bad I saw few clips on some Romanian news site. And they need get their ATC standards to EU standards!



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User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 23017 times:



Quoting TaromA380 (Reply 15):
I am surprised it wasn't worse, because the speed was quiet high, the clip shows the plane accelerating for plenty of seconds with a rather high ground speed.

Myself also. Looking at the video, it looks like the impact occurred just as the aircraft was rotating the nose, so you're talking about a Vr speed of about 120 kts. or so at least. At that kind of speed, the results usually are not good at all, and it suggests to me that the actual vehicle/aircraft contact was more of a glancing blow off the outboard side of the engine cowling or the underside of the wing and/or extended flaps. The media's animation in the video shows the the aircraft off on the right side of the runway, but the still photo (in another link) shows the aircraft down on its left wing, so that suggests it was off on the left side of the runway. I don't necessarily think the left main gear was sheared off (since a 120 kt. impact would have undoubtedly resulted in more damage and a likely fire) but it's possible the left gear is still attached and dug into the mud. Any way one looks at it, they were all lucky, since it could have been much much worse.

Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 18):
And to reiterate what everyone else is saying - HOW does one leave a car on the runway?

They didn't "leave" it as in parking it unattended. It was reportedly a service vehicle whose occupants were working on some runway lights, and the workers were thus in proximity to their vehicle. Just speculation, but they either didn't request/obtain permission to be on the runway, or else an air traffic controller forgot they were there when someone cleared the aircraft for takeoff. Maybe one controller not talking to another? Nobody knows at this point, but that will come out in the ensuing investigation.


User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 22855 times:

Some additional images are here:

http://www.crash-aerien.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=27397#27397


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 24, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 22371 times:

Amazing Video from the Pax.
Does the Service Vehicle not communicate with ATC.

regds
MEL



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25 PanHAM : According to JACDEC the a/c is damaged beyond repair. When you look at the videos posted here in reply 23, there is little doubt about that. The passe
26 WildcatYXU : I did so and I didn't understand a single word. If you're of Romanian heritage, we all would appreciate if you could translate for us.
27 Steph001 : It's the first incident of this type on OTP for at least 18 years. I would say, this is not so bad at all. Romania began updating its ATC to EU stand
28 Post contains images A342 : Where exactly does it suggest that? Some translated bits from the videos/articles: At the time of the collision, the speed was 170 kph (92 knots). Vi
29 Teme82 : I stand corrected. Yeah the weather was bad there, at least what I can tell from the images and video... Well it seems that I was incorrect at first.
30 Ebs757 : If this happened in America everyone on this board would be all over it...
31 BR715-A1-30 : Actually hours/cycles and year of "birth" have nothing to do with it. Insurance companies look at how much it will cost to repair the vehicle, in thi
32 PanHAM : Well, that's where it happened. Listen, I travel a lot and always with open eyes for the conditions in the countries I visit. Different standards are
33 Post contains images A342 : Romania is not one of the countries where aviation safety is sub-par. An incident like this, or even worse, can happen in any developed country, whet
34 PanHAM : How would you call it when a maintenance vehicle is parked on an active runway? So, in your opinion, the Romanian authorities should not put this hig
35 Post contains links Connector4you : http://www.realitatea.net/playlive2....aeroportului%20Henri%20Coand%C4%83 At this point it seems to me a likely miss communication between Ground and
36 Sh0rtybr0wn : Even that A340 that was used for wall testing ?
37 DeC : Anyone have a download-link for the video?
38 BR715-A1-30 : Yes, Even that... Take a look at N862RW for example... They fixed the entire front end of that aircraft because it was obviously cheaper to repair th
39 A342 : You are making a staggering generalization. Just because one person messed up, the aviation safety of the whole country is subpar? Again, would you c
40 Threepoint : I don't speak a word of Romanian either. But I can watch the video, look out the plane window and recognize when the damn thing is taking off. Which
41 MSYPI7185 : No translation is needed, look at the video. There are 2 videos in that link it was the 2nd video that clearly shows that the aircraft was on take-of
42 Jetblueguy22 : Yeah and there would be about 50 lawsuits totaling about 500 million bucks! And then they would say oh the pilot saved our lives! Blue
43 Post contains images WildcatYXU : Ouch, it took me another reply to understand the sarcasm in your reply 20. Apparently not my brightest day.
44 A342 : No, in this case, they got it right. The article and the videos say that the aircraft was taking off. (I do speak Romanian!)
45 Connector4you : It appears now that the vehicle doesn't even belong to the airport's authority but rather to a private contractor. First officer said he could not sp
47 Osiris30 : WOW that had to be mere sconds to rotation... then it would have been VERY ugly... everyone on board was VERY lucky to walk away from that one! After
48 FlyMeToTheMoon : Having flown into OTP quite a few times and on RO as well I must say that I am not surprised it happened, it was only a matter of time and I think eve
49 Post contains images SuseJ772 :
50 CPHGuard : First of all: I am quite sure that Romania lives up to the standards of EC. Any vehicle travelling on a runway or taxiway must have a rotating yellow
51 RichM : Might be a stupid question, but what would the normal course of action be in this situation? Should pilots abort the take-off even though they're init
52 Steph001 : I have landed a week ago on the same runway (08R) at OTP in low visibility conditions. Although one could barely see the ground on approach (because
53 OV735 : I think in this case they were still below 100kts and nowhere near rotation, so the obvious solution is to abort. But suppose it was above V1... reme
54 Post contains images A342 : There is no such thing. It's impossible to make a generalized statement about this. There are many variables to be considered, for example: The speed
55 CPHGuard : I've seen the video a couple of times, and to me it seems like the angle of the plane is changing just prior to impact. This would indicate that rota
56 BuyantUkhaa : As proven in 1977.
57 Threepoint : And every year since.
58 Post contains links OPNLguy : New photos here: http://www.evz.ro/article.php?artid=335930 Looks like the vehicle was some kind of truck, judging by the dual tires on the axle. They
59 Spacepope : Disagree with you slightly there. I see three tracks, however the left-most track appears to be from the engine dragging across the sod, center track
60 SuseJ772 : Man that truck looks destroyed!! Note to self: don't hang out in trucks on runways. I am waiting for more pilots to interject their "opinion" on what
61 Steph001 : Short update from the investigators, via Romanian television (sorry, don't have the links yet) - tower was aware of the truck and maintenance crew wor
62 MDorBust : Seriously, for the taxi crowd... You can see the runway touch down zone markings pass under the wings during the run. There's no question it was a tak
63 Osiris30 : Well that sounds like a bit of an issue... How the **** do you forget you left your truck on an active runway!!!
64 Post contains images Steph001 : Christmas, New Year.... ask me something easier   [Edited 2007-12-31 09:36:57]
65 Osiris30 : To paraphrase: "Dude where's my truck?"
66 OV735 : I noticed that too, but at the same time the takeoff roll before the crash is 20-something seconds, so I assume it's not quite close to Vr yet. Also
67 OPNLguy : Could be, but it looks like 2 tire channels from the left MLG to me. Guess we'll find out when more photos become available, or they get a crane and
68 Osiris30 : I have to agree with spacepope OPNL: Look at how deep the tracks on the right hand side of the aircraft are compared to the left. It's also clear fro
69 Post contains images OPNLguy : Like I said, that may be, I was just saying what it looked like to me. It's not like it's a winner/loser contest here...
70 MDorBust : The truck wreckage has too many tires. There are four clearly visable on the main axle... and another in the wreckage on top. The tread doesn't look a
71 Kaitak : There's not a huge difference in distance between the engines and MLG on the 737; as far as a truck is concerned, hitting one would have involved hitt
72 Post contains links and images OPNLguy : View Large View MediumPhoto © Zaninger Jonathan Maybe just enough difference to make the difference... I'm wondering what the vehicle looked lik
73 Post contains images Osiris30 : No worries.. not trying to argue.. merely debate If you look at the photos of the truck it looks like the landing gear went over the cab area (looks
74 Threepoint : The airport illustration on the photos in the link provided in reply 58 suggest the vehicle was parked between 1500 & 2000' from the runway threshold
75 Osiris30 : Well I'm happy to investigate the 'fun' crashes (those where no one is seriously inurred)... You couldn't pay me to pick through a fatal accident tho
76 Post contains images Leezyjet : I've always wanted to be an accident invesitgator. Always facinated me. Actually the UK AAIB have been recruiting for the last couple of weeks for Ai
77 Post contains links Steph001 : Latest news: http://www.adevarul.ro/articole/acci...se-aflau-doua-masini-nu-una/336502 - there was a team of 4 people and two (!!) cars on the active
78 TaromA380 : - the second maintenance car was further down on the runway (1500m), not implied at all in the incident - the agreement with the tower was "we're begi
79 Post contains links and images Leezyjet : I have been emailed this report from a member who is ubale to post, but asked me to post on his behalf :- A Preliminary Report on the accident of the
80 Post contains images Vio : Here are some new photos of the crash:
81 N774UA : Happened to me a couple of years ago at AMS. My colleague and I were doing some maintenance at a runway, when a KL 747 thundered down the same runway
82 Emrecan : I returned to Bucharest today, and saw the aircraft in the same position. The weather is snowy in Romania. I don't know if they can remove it from the
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