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LON-MAN In Air Time?  
User currently offlineSwiftski From Australia, joined Dec 2006, 2701 posts, RR: 2
Posted (6 years 12 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3211 times:

Hi,

Was wondering how long the average flight took from LON-MAN, from take off to landing (i.e. not block time, but actual flying time)

Also, if there have been any particularly fast or very slow flights experienced, please share.

Thanks,

Swiftski

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FYI Mods - my primary interest is in the fact side, rather than the personal experience; hence not being in Polls and Prefs

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User currently offlineLHRjc From Netherlands, joined Apr 2006, 1964 posts, RR: 19
Reply 1, posted (6 years 12 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3168 times:

Usually about 35-40 mins I'd say from LHR. Maybe 5 mins more from LGW... If you get stuck on the Bovingdon hold coming into LHR then you can be up there for ages, but going Northbound usually you're fine.


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User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12599 posts, RR: 34
Reply 2, posted (6 years 12 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3165 times:

I've only ever done it once and it was around 35 minutes; we didn't have much of a delay coming into LHR (it was a southbound sector). As LHRjc points out, it can be one of those "how long is a piece of string?" questions in that if the weather is bad, if LHR is particularly busy (or both) you could find yourself holding for as long as the flight itself, before getting in. Luck of the draw ...

User currently offlineFly2YYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 1046 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (6 years 12 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3139 times:

I'm doing this flight, but in reverse tomorrow MAN-LGW, I'll let ya know exactly how long it takes take off to landing!

User currently offlineGT4EZY From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2007, 1804 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (6 years 12 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3069 times:

One of our Captain's has done it in something like 23 mins apparently.


Proud to fly from Manchester!
User currently offlineBALHRWWCC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (6 years 12 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3067 times:

I have operated a flight on a 767 LHR - MAN from takeoff to landing 19 minutes

User currently offlineHighpeaklad From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 538 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 12 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2969 times:

And remember they serve a hot breakfast in that time too!


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User currently offlineBAW076 From UK - Scotland, joined Aug 2006, 750 posts, RR: 26
Reply 7, posted (6 years 12 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2951 times:

I have flown LHR-MAN twice and MAN-LHR twice....

1: (BA B752)
LHR 1141
MAN 1211
Flight Time 30 mins

2: (BA B763)
MAN 1941
LHR 2043 (Held at Bovingdon for absolutely ages!)
Flight Time 1 hr 2 mins

3: (BA B752)
LHR 1228
MAN 1259
Flight Time 31 mins

4. (BD A321)
MAN 1947
LHR 2020
Flight Time 33 mins

Cheers,
BAW076



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User currently offlineBoysteve From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 958 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 12 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2847 times:

I find the LHR-MAN flights are in the air for 25-30 minutes. As stated previously southbound can be a real pain, especially on a peak hour morning flight (0645 on BD, 07:00 on BA) where you can actually be airborne for an hour regularly. On my last trip I was really pissed off because Brussels would not let my flight BA1385 (07:00 departure from MAN) push back from the gate until 07:25 due to slot restrictions into LHR. Not a problem I thought as it means we don't spend the 25 mins in a hold pattern, instead it's on the ground. However we ended up holding in the air for 30 mins as well! I boarded the aircraft at ~06:40 and didn't disembark at LHR until 08:50! That is why if travelling to central London I ALWAYS use the train!

User currently offlineBrianDromey From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 3931 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (6 years 12 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2832 times:

Its not MAN-LHR, but Ive taken LBA-LHR a few times, its a similar distance, in a similar direction.

Shortest sector took just 20 minutes, there ere no ATC delays. The announcement went something like this "ladies and Gentlemen welcome to London's Heathrow where the local time is 7p.m, making us...ahh...very early, in fact I think we're still in Leeds!" Mind you we spend another 25 minutes waiting for out gate to become free!

However 40-45 minutes is more common, due to traffic holding patterns, and a 5 minute gate wait.

Brian.



Next flights: MAN-ORK-LHR(EI)-MAN(BD); MAN-LHR(BD)-ORK (EI); DUB-ZRH-LAX (LX) LAX-YYZ (AC) YYZ-YHZ-LHR(AC)-DUB(BD)
User currently offlineEXTspotter From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 992 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (6 years 12 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2803 times:

Another difference is wether you are going Jet or Prop though. Prop can take about 10 - 15 mins longer, on top of things like holds.

E.G. (Not LON - MAN, but similar distance) MAN - EXT

Q400 = 1 hour

E195 = 40 mins



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User currently onlineBirdwatching From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 3837 posts, RR: 51
Reply 11, posted (6 years 12 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2766 times:

I flew LGW-MAN a year ago on BA2910.

Wheels up was at 1801, wheels down at 1845.

So it was 44 minutes air time.

Soren  santahat 



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User currently offlineManchesterMAN From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 1234 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (6 years 12 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2745 times:

I used to fly this route fairly regularly until recently and 35 mins is about average so long as there are no arrival delays. However I now find it quicker to take the train and tend to only fly at weekends when there is engineering work on the ribbons of steel.

When I do fly I use BD although a few months ago they cancelled my flight and rebooked me on VLM into LCY which I would highly recommend as an alternative MAN-LON route.



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User currently offlineBoysteve From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 958 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 12 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2721 times:



Quoting ManchesterMAN (Reply 12):
However I now find it quicker to take the train

Agreed to Central London. I only fly to LHR when visiting an office we have 2 miles from the airport!


User currently offlineSK736 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 538 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 12 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2644 times:
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Quoting BALHRWWCC (Reply 5):
I have operated a flight on a 767 LHR - MAN from takeoff to landing 19 minutes

Something tells me this isn't true.


User currently offlineBoysteve From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 958 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 12 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2633 times:



Quoting BALHRWWCC (Reply 5):
I have operated a flight on a 767 LHR - MAN from takeoff to landing 19 minutes



Quoting SK736 (Reply 14):
Something tells me this isn't true

OK lets analyse this;
Firstly great circle puts the straight line distance at 151 miles. Unfortunately runway direction means the actual distance flown is greater than this, oh yeah and a few other things too! Lets say the actual flight path is 170 miles, obviously if anyone has an exact distance that would be great. To cover 170 miles in 19 minutes requires an average speed of 536mph. Hmmm, I don't believe BALHRWWCC's claim either I'm afraid.


User currently offlineCol From Malaysia, joined Nov 2003, 2129 posts, RR: 22
Reply 16, posted (6 years 12 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2599 times:

Flown the route a few times. Fastest was on QF 744 LHR-MAN, just over 26 mins wheels off ground to down. Rest normally between 35 to 1 hr 20mins.

User currently offlineNickrose87 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2006, 31 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 12 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2598 times:

i flew to LHR in 2005 and it was approximatly 25-30 mins.
i flew to LGW in 2007 and it was 45 mins with full pax, and 30 mins on a flight with about 40% full.


User currently offlineHotelmode From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2007, 460 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (6 years 12 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2560 times:

Quoting Boysteve (Reply 15):
To cover 170 miles in 19 minutes requires an average speed of 536mph.



I was just going to say that! I've never done LHR-MAN but many LGW-MANs and 19 mins is too quick! Jersey from LGW is 15nm further than LHR-MAN and i think the record was 25mins airborne from LGW and that would have been with a slick visual approach into JER. We do Doha-Bahrain which is 91nm with the runways more or less aligned to the airway (ie no extra track miles) and the record in a 747 is 17mins (brakes off to touchdown). It really cant be done any faster (safely!).

Also the quickest time would be from 24 at MAN onto a base leg for 09 at LHR. LHR-MAN will always take longer due the inbound routing via TNT-Dayne plus the high ground generally precludes cutting it tight onto 24.

[Edited 2007-12-31 07:08:46]

[Edited 2007-12-31 07:12:37]

User currently offlineBoysteve From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 958 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 12 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2512 times:



Quoting Hotelmode (Reply 18):
LHR-MAN will always take longer due the inbound routing via TNT-Dayne plus the high ground generally precludes cutting it tight onto 24.

Thanks for the info Hotelmode, where is TNT? I am familar with Dayne, when I fly this route I always look out for EMA below. By the way, MAN's runway headings changed to 23/5 a few months ago from 24/6.


User currently offlineBlueShamu330s From UK - England, joined Sep 2001, 3072 posts, RR: 23
Reply 20, posted (6 years 12 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2475 times:
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Sadly, as time goes on, air travel in particular seems to slow down.

MAN-LHR in 30-35 minutes used to be commonplace, and on a night positioner to LGW when LHR was sleeping, you would occassionally be blessed with a downwind right hand pattern for 26 rather than the defacto long downwind left, shaving at least 10 minutes off the time of MAN-LGW.

The Knutsford NIMBY kink on the HON SID out of MAN adds another 90 seconds to the route too.

Most direct you could hope for these days is HON SID, passing 5,000ft Direct WCO, BNN, vectors 27R.

ATC tend to keep you down at a slower FL190 these days too (airspace sectorisation), whereas cruise used to be routinely FL230 on the route.

Or if you're really posh, you could save loads of time by chartering a light jet, take the LISTO SID, down the MAN 157 radial and drop into Luton. I think that would probably take the spot for the quickest MAN-LON

Once had a ride on the Qantas MAN-LHR. Captain wanted to see what was left of RAF Gaydon, so Manch permitted him to go at FL70 via Lichfield, only to be told as we approached the TMA by London to climb to FL 130 and enter the hold at BNN.  Big grin

Happy New Year. May your flights be smooth, and may your landings continue to equal your number of take-offs !  santahat 

Shamu



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User currently offlineSK736 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 538 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 12 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2464 times:
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Quoting BlueShamu330s (Reply 20):
The Knutsford NIMBY kink on the HON SID out of MAN adds another 90 seconds to the route too.

True - but surely nobody can be so desperate for time that they'd actually count those extra 90 seconds!


User currently offlineBlueShamu330s From UK - England, joined Sep 2001, 3072 posts, RR: 23
Reply 22, posted (6 years 12 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2453 times:
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I was just factoring in as many reasons I could think of to explain why the air time has slowly increased over time.

Two minutes here, 90 seconds there; on such a short sector, they add up to a significant % increase.  smile 

Shamu



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User currently offlineEGNR From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 513 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 12 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2417 times:

I flew with bmi MAN-LHR on Sunday Dec 16th, returning the following day. The LHR-MAN flight was less than 30 mins in the air. In fact we spent longer on the ground in the aircraft at LHR than we did in the air due to a ground hold at the gate of 15 mins for congestion, and then about another 20 mins or so of taxying and queueing for the runway!

The MAN-LHR leg was a little longer at about 45 mins or so.



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User currently offlineHotelmode From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2007, 460 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (6 years 12 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2330 times:



Quoting Boysteve (Reply 19):
Thanks for the info Hotelmode, where is TNT? I am familar with Dayne, when I fly this route I always look out for EMA below. By the way, MAN's runway headings changed to 23/5 a few months ago from 24/6.

You know you've been flying too long when they come out with evil tricks like that! SOme of my Capts are still sore that LHR isnt 28/10. Time to go back to Short haul for me.

TNT is Trent VOR which is just North of Ashborne in the Peak District. Good site here with Maps and even a picture! http://www.reportingpoints.info/


25 OtnySASLHR : Just for the hell of it I thought I'd throw this in. When I first did LHR-MAN-LHR back in '64 on the leg MAN-LHR the Captain was complaining that he w
26 Post contains links Star_world : Use www.flightstats.com to check a specific flight - in the 'extended details' view it shows the actual takeoff and touchdown times, as well as the ga
27 Theginge : I have been on a flight LHR - MAN where the wheels up to wheels down time was about 28 mins. I have done the way back in about 35 mins, thats been whe
28 Post contains images Argonaut : I've never done LHR-MAN or vice versa, but have made the MAN trip both directions from/to LGW. Checking my old logs, I find that on 19 Dec 1984 I did
29 Fly2YYZ : I travelled 31st January on BA 2915 MAN-LGW and the flight was 39 minutes, course we were delayed from departing due to late in bound at MAN but was a
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