LHRjc From Netherlands, joined Apr 2006, 1964 posts, RR: 21 Reply 1, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 2753 times:
Usually about 35-40 mins I'd say from LHR. Maybe 5 mins more from LGW... If you get stuck on the Bovingdon hold coming into LHR then you can be up there for ages, but going Northbound usually you're fine.
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Kaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12166 posts, RR: 35 Reply 2, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 2750 times:
I've only ever done it once and it was around 35 minutes; we didn't have much of a delay coming into LHR (it was a southbound sector). As LHRjc points out, it can be one of those "how long is a piece of string?" questions in that if the weather is bad, if LHR is particularly busy (or both) you could find yourself holding for as long as the flight itself, before getting in. Luck of the draw ...
Boysteve From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 915 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2432 times:
I find the LHR-MAN flights are in the air for 25-30 minutes. As stated previously southbound can be a real pain, especially on a peak hour morning flight (0645 on BD, 07:00 on BA) where you can actually be airborne for an hour regularly. On my last trip I was really pissed off because Brussels would not let my flight BA1385 (07:00 departure from MAN) push back from the gate until 07:25 due to slot restrictions into LHR. Not a problem I thought as it means we don't spend the 25 mins in a hold pattern, instead it's on the ground. However we ended up holding in the air for 30 mins as well! I boarded the aircraft at ~06:40 and didn't disembark at LHR until 08:50! That is why if travelling to central London I ALWAYS use the train!
BrianDromey From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 3896 posts, RR: 9 Reply 9, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2417 times:
Its not MAN-LHR, but Ive taken LBA-LHR a few times, its a similar distance, in a similar direction.
Shortest sector took just 20 minutes, there ere no ATC delays. The announcement went something like this "ladies and Gentlemen welcome to London's Heathrow where the local time is 7p.m, making us...ahh...very early, in fact I think we're still in Leeds!" Mind you we spend another 25 minutes waiting for out gate to become free!
However 40-45 minutes is more common, due to traffic holding patterns, and a 5 minute gate wait.
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ManchesterMAN From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 1204 posts, RR: 1 Reply 12, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2330 times:
I used to fly this route fairly regularly until recently and 35 mins is about average so long as there are no arrival delays. However I now find it quicker to take the train and tend to only fly at weekends when there is engineering work on the ribbons of steel.
When I do fly I use BD although a few months ago they cancelled my flight and rebooked me on VLM into LCY which I would highly recommend as an alternative MAN-LON route.
OK lets analyse this;
Firstly great circle puts the straight line distance at 151 miles. Unfortunately runway direction means the actual distance flown is greater than this, oh yeah and a few other things too! Lets say the actual flight path is 170 miles, obviously if anyone has an exact distance that would be great. To cover 170 miles in 19 minutes requires an average speed of 536mph. Hmmm, I don't believe BALHRWWCC's claim either I'm afraid.
Hotelmode From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2007, 460 posts, RR: 1 Reply 18, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2145 times:
Quoting Boysteve (Reply 15): To cover 170 miles in 19 minutes requires an average speed of 536mph.
I was just going to say that! I've never done LHR-MAN but many LGW-MANs and 19 mins is too quick! Jersey from LGW is 15nm further than LHR-MAN and i think the record was 25mins airborne from LGW and that would have been with a slick visual approach into JER. We do Doha-Bahrain which is 91nm with the runways more or less aligned to the airway (ie no extra track miles) and the record in a 747 is 17mins (brakes off to touchdown). It really cant be done any faster (safely!).
Also the quickest time would be from 24 at MAN onto a base leg for 09 at LHR. LHR-MAN will always take longer due the inbound routing via TNT-Dayne plus the high ground generally precludes cutting it tight onto 24.
Boysteve From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 915 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2097 times:
Quoting Hotelmode (Reply 18): LHR-MAN will always take longer due the inbound routing via TNT-Dayne plus the high ground generally precludes cutting it tight onto 24.
Thanks for the info Hotelmode, where is TNT? I am familar with Dayne, when I fly this route I always look out for EMA below. By the way, MAN's runway headings changed to 23/5 a few months ago from 24/6.
BlueShamu330s From UK - England, joined Sep 2001, 2720 posts, RR: 24 Reply 20, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2060 times:
Sadly, as time goes on, air travel in particular seems to slow down.
MAN-LHR in 30-35 minutes used to be commonplace, and on a night positioner to LGW when LHR was sleeping, you would occassionally be blessed with a downwind right hand pattern for 26 rather than the defacto long downwind left, shaving at least 10 minutes off the time of MAN-LGW.
The Knutsford NIMBY kink on the HON SID out of MAN adds another 90 seconds to the route too.
Most direct you could hope for these days is HON SID, passing 5,000ft Direct WCO, BNN, vectors 27R.
ATC tend to keep you down at a slower FL190 these days too (airspace sectorisation), whereas cruise used to be routinely FL230 on the route.
Or if you're really posh, you could save loads of time by chartering a light jet, take the LISTO SID, down the MAN 157 radial and drop into Luton. I think that would probably take the spot for the quickest MAN-LON
Once had a ride on the Qantas MAN-LHR. Captain wanted to see what was left of RAF Gaydon, so Manch permitted him to go at FL70 via Lichfield, only to be told as we approached the TMA by London to climb to FL 130 and enter the hold at BNN.
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EGNR From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 505 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2002 times:
I flew with bmi MAN-LHR on Sunday Dec 16th, returning the following day. The LHR-MAN flight was less than 30 mins in the air. In fact we spent longer on the ground in the aircraft at LHR than we did in the air due to a ground hold at the gate of 15 mins for congestion, and then about another 20 mins or so of taxying and queueing for the runway!
The MAN-LHR leg was a little longer at about 45 mins or so.
Hotelmode From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2007, 460 posts, RR: 1 Reply 24, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1915 times:
Quoting Boysteve (Reply 19): Thanks for the info Hotelmode, where is TNT? I am familar with Dayne, when I fly this route I always look out for EMA below. By the way, MAN's runway headings changed to 23/5 a few months ago from 24/6.
You know you've been flying too long when they come out with evil tricks like that! SOme of my Capts are still sore that LHR isnt 28/10. Time to go back to Short haul for me.