AFKLMLHLX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2244 times:
Well, i just wrote my whole thing but my page flipped back and it gotndeleted. To reiterate,I know that prior to 2003, CO used TB at EWR fornthe internationalnarrivals, but once they built the new concourse atnC, that further unified their hub at EWR making it so planes couldnarrive/depart from the same gate, make it easier for crew andnpassenger's and enhance their hub because in my opinion,nit is justnweird to have a plane go to a gate, disembark and then pull out and gonto another terminal. I like to think as if i were a crewnmember, andnonce I was finished with a flight, I got off the plane andnwas in thensame terminal to go to my next, especially at an airportnlike EWRnwhere the terminals are really not connected that well.
Sonanyway,nI arrive tonight from a DL flight from SLC-EWR and notice as Inamntaxing that along with the normal internationalnairlinesnarriving/departing at the same gate in TB, there are a numbernof COnplanes parked there too. And I really found this weird becausenone,nthey have their own customs now at TC and two, they are notndepartingnfrom B and they take up so many gates in a CUTE( except for the domestic rotunda) terminal which doesn'tnreallynhave that many gates at a prime hour. So my question, why doesnCOnstill use TB when they don't actually have any assigned gatesnthere.nThey have all of TC, and those gates actually belong to them.
Lastly,nasnI walk out of the plane in the rotunda DL occupies, i notice thatnannAZ plane is parked right next to it to go to MXP and a KLM planenisntaxing out of the same rotunda for AMS. This all seemsnnormal,nespecially because this is a INT terminal, but, they werenparked in thendomestic part which does not use a CUTE system, and thenmain question Inhave is, usually, INT terminals are built on twonlevels or have somenupper level(like CO T3) so passengersnwillnnot exit into the departure/gate area upon arrival, but I seennonsystem like this is DL/NW's rotunda and yet KLM(probably because ofnitsntight relationship with NW) and AZ arrived there. How do they get the passengers through customs on arrival is if there is no passageway or other level?
oh and it seems that this time I have slash marks and ns next to a lot of things, I do not know why it keeps doing that.
STT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16689 posts, RR: 51
Reply 1, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 2133 times:
All 19 of CO's International arrival gates at Terminal C are full at peak hours, thus CO uses Terminal B. I've used both the Terminal C and Terminal B International arrival halls and I prefer the Terminal B IAB, it's one of the best FIS facilities in the US (IMO). You can clear Customs and Immigration real quick, and Terminal C or Terminal A are just one stop away on the Airtrain so it's not that much of a burden.
AFKLMLHLX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 1994 times:
At CO's TC, it is less of a CUTE system even in the International concourse of TC because there are some domestic flights which arrive/depart out of it. Also, there is only one airline that operates out of that terminal so technically, CO allows itself much more freedom when schedualing which gate a plane arrives/departs out of. What I am wondering is, because most of TB is CUTE, does CO have designated gates which it arrives into at TB or does it just go into the gate which it is schedualed to be it regardless if it is a CO designated gate. In almost all other countries, I've noticed that although an airline might have the presence of having designated gates IE LH at FRA, technically, any airline could be schedualed to arrive/depart out of that gate (I think that they do limit it though to an airline only able to be operating out of one designated concourse). However, unlike most other European airlines, LH does still show some branding in almost all of the gates at FRA even if they technically do not "own" them. I just kind of find it weird the fact that a plane arrives at a gate, then is towed away to it's departure gate, I feel that a plane should arrive at a gate, then get serviced at the same gate and turn around or RON.
AznMadSci From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 3635 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 1940 times:
Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 6): When a connecting passenger arrives at Terminal B, can he recheck his bags there, or does he have to take them over to C?
Yes. Once you step out Customs & Immigration, to your left is where you can drop off your bags for your next flight if it is already tagged to your final destination. Before they are put back on the belt, the TSA has to xray them again. I guess there is no room behind the belt to place the xray. This was the process used back in November 2007 when my ATH-EWR flight on CO arrived rather early and the only available gate was at Terminal B. Once bags are dropped, then we hopped onto the AirTrain for our connecting flight to IAH at Terminal C.
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AFKLMLHLX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 1916 times:
Another thing, as one guy quoted, "you get what you get", I understand what you mean but aren't the gates still planned ahead of time? I mean I know that a terminal might be CUTE, but for example, when AF 9 arrives at JFK, it's gate is planned days in advance, I mean you can check flight trackers and they will tell you the gate long before the plane lands. I know that gates change, but you can't just be assigning a plane a gate upon arrival. I mean, shouldn't it be planned where its not just like, oh CO flight X, it is too busy at TC so go to TB. I mean that screws up the crew, and maybe the awaiting crew for that planes next flight ect. Also, like trains IE, on NJ Transit, when arriving/departing out of NY Penn Station, I usually know what track the Morristown line departs out of, even though technically, NY Penn kind of runs a modified CUTE system for where the trains on LIRR, Amtrak and NJT are parked. I mean, sometimes you will have an Amtrak train on track four, which is usually designated as NJT and is located in the new NJT concourse, but just like how AF usually departs out of gates 9 -11, is it sort of the same way for CO at TB?
I wrote "we get, what we get". The gates are assigned, but we do not have designated gates, hence what I said. We get, what we get. For instance, flight 98 may get gate 55 today, but gate 63 tomorrow and gate 68 the next. There is no rhyme or reason for CO's gate assignments at Terminal B. Once the plane is cleared, it is taxiied to a hardstand (hanger, gate, whatever), freeing up the gate for the next flight.
Short explanation, it's the technology (it's not just equipment) used in most foreign airports and a few in the US as well that let several airlines share the same check-in counter (and gate).
Go to a CO check-in counter at EWR and the equipment is owned by CO and can be used for CO check-in only. Go to AMS (for instance), and the equipment at the check-in counter is owned by the airport (or a handling company), and in the morning is used to run check-in for CO, CX in the afternoon and SA in the evening. Changing carrier can be done almost on the fly and as necessary. Within a few restrictions such as handling company or terminal, any CUTE equipment at any airport can be used by any CUTE-participating carrier at that airport, so not only can you have three different carriers use the same check-in counter in one day, but the three carriers can change every day.
BlueFlyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3696 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1855 times:
Quoting AFKLMLHLX (Reply 10): I mean that screws up the crew, and maybe the awaiting crew for that planes next flight ect.
It is planned well in advance, but to use an analogy more often employed in relation to warfare, the second the first plane is delayed at a hub, your gate assignment plan needs to be modified... Planes arrive early or late all the time, equipment changes, aircraft assignment changes, etc... any one of these things may require a gate change.