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User currently offlineFLY777UAL From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4512 posts, RR: 3
Posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3920 times:

Was clicking through airchive.com the other day and ran across an old route map from Hawaiian showing their flights to the South Pacific:




What I found most interesting was their service to American Samoa (Pago Pago), Western Samoa (Apia), and Tonga (Nuku'aofa) from HNL, and was curious as to the passenger counts, traffic mix, cargo and other tidbits of information that someone might have about these services.

In addition, with such large first/second generation ethnic communities living on the US Mainland, could service from the US Mainland (obviously like HA's flights, not daily...) be warranted even two or three times weekly linking those three destinations? I thought of triangle routings something along the lines of one weekly LAX-PPG-TBU, one weekly LAX-PPG-APW.

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User currently offlineCchan From New Zealand, joined May 2003, 1763 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3892 times:

There are not many people flying between these islands, so putting large aircrafts there won't probably be a very good idea. Air New Zealand has a weekly flight AKL-TBU-APW-LAX and return on a 767-300. I have not been in Pago Pago, but from what I have heard it is quite laid back and not many visitors go there. There is a local airline that flies between the two Samoas with twin otters a few times a day, that is probably all the demand on that route.

User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3878 times:

I am the one who gave that particular timetable to The Airchive and I am delighted you found it fun!!

There's nothing I love more than seeing the old "fifth freedom" tag-on's airlines used to have. The South Pacific still has Air New Zealand flying some interesting "Kiwi" routes to LAX via a lot of the islands...worth checking out as well!!

btw, at the time, Hawaiian was operating DC-8's on the long range routes and DC-9's interisland. What a fascinating way to get to Tonga - via HNL and PPG!!



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25989 posts, RR: 22
Reply 3, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3882 times:



Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 2):
btw, at the time, Hawaiian was operating DC-8's on the long range routes

And if not mistaken they were all very unprofitable for HA.


User currently offlineCchan From New Zealand, joined May 2003, 1763 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3867 times:



Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 2):
The South Pacific still has Air New Zealand flying some interesting "Kiwi" routes to LAX via a lot of the islands...worth checking out as well!!

From LAX, NZ flies to RAR, APW, TBU and NAN. Most island hop passengers go through AKL these days on DJ or NZ.


User currently offlinePlanemanofnz From New Zealand, joined Sep 2005, 1676 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3860 times:



Quoting Cchan (Reply 4):

From New Zealand, they fly to :

-Norfolk Island
-New Caledonia
-Vanuatu
-Fiji
-Tonga
-Western Samoa
-Niue
-The Cook Islands
-Tahiti
-Hawaii

That's pretty extensive coverage of Oceania!

Another interesting route is Air Calin's Noumea-Nadi-Wallis-Futuna.


User currently offlineGemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5807 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3786 times:



Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 5):
Another interesting route is Air Calin's Noumea-Nadi-Wallis-Futuna.

What aircraft type are they using now for this service? This used to be one of the last airline DC-4 operations in the South Pacific.

Gemuser



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User currently offlineETA Unknown From Comoros, joined Jun 2001, 2089 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3595 times:

If HA ever wanted to sublease an AQ 73G, then HA could probably make HNL-APW-TBW-HNL work twice a week, or perhaps HNL-APW-NAN and HNL-TBU-NAN once per week.

Forget RAR- really not enough hotel rooms there to justify any more service- this is why FJ pulled out. AQ also experimented with RAR.

I'm surprised HA doesn't retry GUM- perhaps CO has all the Govt. contract locked up.


User currently offlineCOSPN From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Oct 2001, 1651 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3452 times:

HA has its hands full with there new WestPac route HNL-MNL

User currently offlineCchan From New Zealand, joined May 2003, 1763 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3445 times:



Quoting ETA Unknown (Reply 7):
Forget RAR- really not enough hotel rooms there to justify any more service- this is why FJ pulled out. AQ also experimented with RAR.

Flights from Fiji to Rarotonga mostly carry Fijian workers not tourists, but still the market does not support a weekly 737 service.


User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25692 posts, RR: 85
Reply 10, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3430 times:
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Very interesting route map.

Does anyone have any info on a defunct airline called Airlines of the South Pacific? I think it was based in Honolulu.

mariner



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User currently offlinePlanemanofnz From New Zealand, joined Sep 2005, 1676 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3371 times:



Quoting Gemuser (Reply 6):

A320.


User currently offlineMotorHussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 3334 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3323 times:

Quoting Mariner (Reply 10):
Does anyone have any info on a defunct airline called Airlines of the South Pacific? I think it was based in Honolulu.

Do you mean SPIA - South Pacific Island Airways? They were based in PPG (Pago Pago, well Tafuna actually) and had a small fleet of 707's, DHT's and BNI's or some such.

Their motto was More Flights to More Islands More Often and at their peak, they flew domestically and to HNL, GUM, TBU, APW, PPT, IUE, VAV, HAP, EUA. I think to mainland USA too.


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User currently offlineMotorHussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 3334 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3314 times:



Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 5):
-Western Samoa

Samoa changed its name from Western Samoa in 1997 as this geographical determination was a hang-over from colonial times. The other Samoa (to the East) is called American Samoa. My family comes from both.

Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 5):
Another interesting route is Air Calin's Noumea-Nadi-Wallis-Futuna.

Pretty sure that SB - Air Calin fly separately to NAN and WLS from NOU.

Regards
MH



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User currently offlineGemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5807 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3299 times:



Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 11):
A320.

Thanks! They must have extended the Wallis runway because it couldn't take the Caravelle, thats why the DC4 hung on.

Gemuser



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User currently offlineKoruman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3280 times:



Quoting Gemuser (Reply 6):
Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 5):
Another interesting route is Air Calin's Noumea-Nadi-Wallis-Futuna.

What aircraft type are they using now for this service? This used to be one of the last airline DC-4 operations in the South Pacific.



Quoting MotorHussy (Reply 13):
Samoa changed its name from Western Samoa in 1997 as this geographical determination was a hang-over from colonial times. The other Samoa (to the East) is called American Samoa. My family comes from both.

My recollection from a year or two ago when I last visited Noumea was that on Air Calin there was A320 service from Noumea to Port Vila and from Noumea to Wallis, and A330 service to Papeete. From Wallis there is Twin Otter service to Futuna.

Incidentally, the Secret That Dare Not Show Its Name in the English-speaking world is that Wallis and Futuna is actually French Samoa. It's closer to Apia in Samoa than Wellington is to Auckland, or than San Francisco is to Los Angeles, and the Fakafutuna language is interchangeable with Samoan, although Wallisien has quite a Tongan influence too.


User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25692 posts, RR: 85
Reply 16, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3167 times:
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Quoting MotorHussy (Reply 12):
Do you mean SPIA - South Pacific Island Airways?

Maybe I do. The photos fit exactly with my memory.

Thanks for that.  Smile

mariner



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User currently offlineArgonaut From UK - Scotland, joined Dec 2004, 422 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3091 times:



Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 2):
The South Pacific still has Air New Zealand flying some interesting "Kiwi" routes to LAX via a lot of the islands...

On a trip to New Zealand last year, I made a point of routing outward via Apia (Samoa, BTW no longer called "Western") and Nuku'alofa (Tonga), and returning via Raratonga (Cook Islands) and Papeete (Tahiti). Delightful--especially the first two airports, where our NZ 767-300 looked like an 18-wheeler parked beside a garden shed  smile  Someone told me that the King of Tonga rode his bicycle up and down the runway at TBU every morning to try and lose weight, though I didn't catch sight of him! (I'm sorry to say he died shortly after my visit.)

IIRC, there was also an option of travelling via Fiji.

It was pretty hard to book the trip, though...NZ's Web site made it impossible to fly LAX-AKL any way other than direct, so I had to break my itinerary into components to make it work. When I told the FAs what I was up to, they fell about laughing, then proceeded to ply me with wine to show their approval of having a certifiable nutter on their flight!

But, heck, I got a taste of a couple of some places that really caught my imagination and that I'd really like to go back and visit properly one day.

I'd recommend any a.netter bound for New Zealand to take the scenic route I did. Trust me, you won't regret it. However, I believe NZ has now discontinued its own LAX routing via PPT in favour of a connection/code-share with TN, so I'm not certain what the long-term holds for these services as a whole.



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User currently offlineOceansWorld From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3055 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 3):
Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 2):btw, at the time, Hawaiian was operating DC-8's on the long range routes
And if not mistaken they were all very unprofitable for HA.

The DC-8s were replaced by the L-1011s, and used on worldwide charters like HNL-AMS/FRA/ZRH. They also served for MAC charters as well as for the CRAF.

Quoting Mariner (Reply 10):
Does anyone have any info on a defunct airline called Airlines of the South Pacific? I think it was based in Honolulu.

No, they were based in Pago Pago. That was their fleet. http://www.geocities.com/aeromoe/fleets/spia.html

The airline was grounded the first time because one of its aircraft on a charter flight between ANC and AMS entered Norway's airspace and was heading toward USSR. The SPIA aircraft was intercepted by Norwegian F-16s.

[Edited 2008-01-01 13:18:49]

User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25989 posts, RR: 22
Reply 19, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3044 times:



Quoting MotorHussy (Reply 12):
Do you mean SPIA - South Pacific Island Airways? They were based in PPG (Pago Pago, well Tafuna actually) and had a small fleet of 707's, DHT's and BNI's or some such.

Their motto was More Flights to More Islands More Often and at their peak, they flew domestically and to HNL, GUM, TBU, APW, PPT, IUE, VAV, HAP, EUA. I think to mainland USA too.

SPIA also operated scheduled service YVR-HNL with 707s for a while. Your first photo in your earlier posting was taken at YVR during this operation.


User currently offlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5792 posts, RR: 28
Reply 20, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2995 times:



Quoting MotorHussy (Reply 12):
Their motto was More Flights to More Islands More Often and at their peak, they flew domestically and to HNL, GUM, TBU, APW, PPT, IUE, VAV, HAP, EUA. I think to mainland USA too.

I seem to remember ANC as well. I'm guessing ANC-HNL?

-Dave



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User currently offlineSearpqx From Netherlands, joined Jun 2000, 4344 posts, RR: 10
Reply 21, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2970 times:



Quoting MotorHussy (Reply 12):
Their motto was More Flights to More Islands More Often and at their peak, they flew domestically and to HNL, GUM, TBU, APW, PPT, IUE, VAV, HAP, EUA. I think to mainland USA too.



Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 20):
I seem to remember ANC as well. I'm guessing ANC-HNL?

They operated 2-3 times a week between HNL & ANC, between 1982-1984. They were there because of a bulk ticket contract with Travel Center, a large ANC based agency that was trying to compete with Pleasant Hawaiian. If anyone came into the office we were required to try and put them on our own "Hickory Tours Hawaii" packages, using SPIA. If they declined, we still had to keep trying to convert them, then document why they wouldn't buy HTH. When SPIA was grounded the first time, it was just before the 1984 Holiday Season (a biggie for ANC-HNL) and I was responsible for trying to reaccommodate people onto the already packed WA & UA flights. I usually received 2-3 death threats a day during that little escapade.



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User currently offlineCchan From New Zealand, joined May 2003, 1763 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 2937 times:



Quoting Argonaut (Reply 17):
NZ's Web site made it impossible to fly LAX-AKL any way other than direct, so I had to break my itinerary into components to make it work.

That must cost a lot more if you break your itinerary.

Quoting Argonaut (Reply 17):
On a trip to New Zealand last year, I made a point of routing outward via Apia (Samoa, BTW no longer called "Western") and Nuku'alofa (Tonga), and returning via Raratonga (Cook Islands) and Papeete (Tahiti).



Quoting Argonaut (Reply 17):
When I told the FAs what I was up to, they fell about laughing

If you didn't take the opportunity to stopover for a few nights on these islands, I can understand the FAs' reaction.


User currently offlineEta unknown From Comoros, joined Jun 2001, 2089 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 2904 times:

It is extremely difficult to book the LAX-NAN-AKL, LAX-RAR-AKL, or LAX-APW-TBU-AKL 767 flights on the airline website- they simply don't appear unless you want to break your journey at any of those destinations. Then again, trying to fit the stopovers in on the web site is an exercise in patience as the total price often doesn't match the first page quoted price even with the $150 island stopover option... booking through a wholesaler is usually less painful and they can see the sub class availability.

User currently offlineArgonaut From UK - Scotland, joined Dec 2004, 422 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2881 times:



Quoting Cchan (Reply 22):
That must cost a lot more if you break your itinerary

It did cost more, but only about US$100 R/T more, as it happened (about 12%). I thought I got off lightly, in return for the experience. And I could see their point of view...they don't want to encourage AKL "through" pax to take saleable seats away from those who need to fly LAX-APW or whatever.

Quoting Cchan (Reply 22):
If you didn't take the opportunity to stopover for a few nights on these islands, I can understand the FAs' reaction

Touche! You are SO right!!

Actually, I did consider stopping off, and wanted to, but circumstances conspired against it. But now I've had a taste of it, I am set on going back to do it right, so not only did NZ get extra $$$ out of me, but they'll probably sell me another round trip or two as well...



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25 Ha763 : Actually, HA's DC-8 and L-1011 were both replaced at the same time by the DC-10. South Pac flying was done by the DC-8 until the arrival of the DC-10
26 AY104 : They actually did some flights from HNL-YVR-HNL, sort of a charter flight for various block bookings by travel agents, I believe. The above pic is at
27 Post contains images PlanesNTrains : Had I simply looked at the route map in the OP, I would have seen it shown. I miss the days of flying NW DC-10's to Anchorage, and the sticker seat a
28 MotorHussy : You and your flights of fancy! Wallis and Futuna have never been part of Samoa. They are part of Polynesia, but have their own language and culture d
29 Koruman : For goodness sake, don't let reality get in the way of a big claim! Maybe I'd better not move on to my "the southern Cooks and Society Islands are the
30 Post contains images Philzh : What an excellent idea - get the wine and the smiles or laughter of the FAs as well as what must be some of the best stop-overs or destinations anywh
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