ENU From Netherlands, joined Nov 2006, 1166 posts, RR: 0 Posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1919 times:
After the announced partnership between China Eastern Airlines and Singapore Airlines, Jet Airways also eyes a wider collaboration with Malaysian from the middle of next year to strengthen its position in Asia. Are we to see any mergers in the near future? Obviously, the new carriers try to catch up with the established ones.
Quote: The partnership between China Eastern Airlines and Singapore Airlines will provide necessary financial resources and management expertise to help the Chinese firm achieve the goal of becoming a hub airline company based in Shanghai, China Eastern's President and Chairman Li Fenghua said yesterday.
Quote: We're talking about a wider co-operation with MAS, which may involve code-sharing and many other areas including marketing. We are in active discussions with MAS," said Jet Airways regional vice president for Southeast Asia Gerry Oh
Econojetter From Malaysia, joined May 2001, 430 posts, RR: 6 Reply 3, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1807 times:
Codesharing with MH on routes into Malaysia is pretty common. The main benefit is a 'boost' in frequency numbers for marketing purposes. For example, MH operates daily on the KUL-CAN route, as does CZ; by placing codes on each other's flights, both appear to fly 2x daily. MH also has similar codeshare arrangements with TG, GA, CX, KA, VN, KE, KL.
In some cases, the non-Malaysian carrier simply piggybacks on MH-operated capacity, because there isn't enough demand to justify bringing its own metal in. The airlines that do this include NH, SA, PR, AZ, LX (ending in Jan 08).
...or the reverse, i.e. MH placing its code on the foreign airline-operated flight, such as with QR, GF.
Some of these agreements involve blocking no more than 10 seats per flight. Such deals have very little strategic significance.
It is very possible that, in this case, 9W may not see enough demand on BOM-KUL to launch its own flights and thus might consider placing its code on the MH-operated flights. That may be the extent of collaboration 9W has envisioned, so it's actually less exciting than what the wording suggests, though a number on the Malaysian side are likely to be thrilled to bits by what they interpret as keen interest in their SkyTrax-5-star-rated airline.
MAS777 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 1999, 2916 posts, RR: 6 Reply 4, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1550 times:
I think this move is even more strategic than that Econojetter...
Both Jet and MAS are KLM partners (note - both however do not have such close ties with AF) - so it would seem important that both these airlines cooperate and form some kind of working partnership with a view towards Skyteam membership.
Econojetter From Malaysia, joined May 2001, 430 posts, RR: 6 Reply 5, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1465 times:
Quoting MAS777 (Reply 4): Both Jet and MAS are KLM partners (note - both however do not have such close ties with AF) - so it would seem important that both these airlines cooperate and form some kind of working partnership with a view towards Skyteam membership.
It is not clear at this point if 9W is SkyTeam-bound. IT (Kingfisher) also has SkyTeam links (AF/KL, NW, CO).
The fact that 9W is a partner of KL's in some sense does not automatically qualify any potential relationship between 9W and MH as something of strategic significance. Don't get me wrong... I'm all for MH finding an India-based partner, but MH's track record on forging strategically meaningful partnerships has, in my opinion, not been enough to convince me that this is going to be different. My earlier post was also in response to the original poster's SQ/MU comparison; I doubt any potential relationship between MH and 9W will involve the purchase of a sizable stake.
I should state what I consider to be a strategically meaningful partnership. It should feature at least the first element, and preferably the other two (and more) as well.
- Complementary hubs and spokes, with coordinated capacity and scheduling for optimised connections at both ends
- Aligned service products on the routes covered by the partnership
- Full reciprocal loyalty scheme participation
The one MH partnership that comes close to this is the one with KL. If MH does intend to work its way to SkyTeam membership by negotiating relevant partnerships one at a time, it needs to go deeper with CZ. The current codeshare deal with CZ covers only KUL-CAN/PEK/PVG (plus some connections in China), and falls well short of what I would call a strategic cooperation. I'm aware that there may be constraints such as air traffic agreements and other regulatory hurdles but these need to be overcome.
Nimish From India, joined Feb 2005, 3077 posts, RR: 9 Reply 6, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1406 times:
While this sounds interesting, I'm not sure what 9W (or MH for that matter) would hope to gain with such a partnership? I don't think either MH or 9W are interested in setting up a hub in the other country, and 9W already had a deep relationship with QF for the India-SIN-Oz sectors. Might be interesting to use MH for India-KUL-North Asia, but I don't know if that's the market that 9W is looking at right now, nor do I know which of TG/MH has a better network to North Asia/China.
DIJKKIJK From France, joined Jul 2003, 1670 posts, RR: 5 Reply 7, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1379 times:
Quoting LHStarAlliance (Reply 2): Whats going on with Kingfisher ? Are they now allowed to fly fully international ?
Not yet. According to Government of India regulations they must complete five years of domestic flying before they can fly international. They have completed only three years as of now.
But they recently bought the low cost carrier Air Deccan, which competes five years of domestic ops in march 2008. So the talk is that they might use Air Deccan's rights to fly interational by that time. They had better get this plan going, as their first A330 is scheduled to be delivered by then.
[Edited 2008-01-01 23:49:29]
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Econojetter From Malaysia, joined May 2001, 430 posts, RR: 6 Reply 9, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1256 times:
Quoting Nimish (Reply 6): While this sounds interesting, I'm not sure what 9W (or MH for that matter) would hope to gain with such a partnership? I don't think either MH or 9W are interested in setting up a hub in the other country,
Apart from a strengthened presence (against AI) in the India-Malaysia market through codesharing, I don't quite see what 9W gains from partnering MH. MH has, on the other hand, expressed its wish to find a connecting partner in India. My memory is a little fuzzy these days, but wasn't MH also talking with IT quite recently?
Quoting Nimish (Reply 6): don't know if that's the market that 9W is looking at right now, nor do I know which of TG/MH has a better network to North Asia/China.
TG has better coverage in North Asia, and going via BKK would be shorter than via KUL. However, AI's entry into the Star Alliance is likely to decrease the likelihood of any significant partnership between TG and 9W.
Quoting ENU (Reply 8): I thought KLM terminated their partnership with Air Sahara recently after the latter were incorporated by Jet Airways and rebranded Jetlite.
KL has had 9W as a Flying Dutchman partner for quite a number of years. Flying Blue still lists 9W as a partner airline. I just realised that, interestingly, IT flights yield elite-qualifying miles as well as award miles on NW's WorldPerks (9W flights only give award miles).