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How Is Iberia Doing In IAD & BOS?  
User currently offlineLIPZ From Austria, joined Jun 2006, 1075 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 7 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3894 times:

Looking to the current IB's winter schedule I am wondering how new BOS and IAD services are performing. For what I can see, I would say probably below expectations.
IB started BOS and IAD 5 weekly with 343 in codeshare with AA the past summer, now reduced to just 3xw, not so good for business traffic who ask more frequencies. Furthermore the route will make a triangular MAD-BOS-IAD-MAD during the month of February, always 3xweek. In addition, preliminary schedule for next summer shows 1 less frequency (from 5 to 4 xw) to the 2 American destinations.
So the question is : were Boston and Washington the best options for new long haul services for IB? If they wanted to start new routes in USA, why not choose Dallas or Los Angeles instead?

[Edited 2007-12-31 10:48:45]

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User currently offlineRcardinale From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 190 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 7 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3892 times:

There was a previous post about a week ago stating how well the BOS service was going and that it would go daily by summer. So now i'm not sure...

User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8218 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (6 years 7 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3810 times:



Quoting Rcardinale (Reply 1):
There was a previous post about a week ago stating how well the BOS service was going and that it would go daily by summer. So now i'm not sure...

Everything I've read so far says that BOS is doing really well for them. It's kinda a difficult to screw up BOS-Europe when you have a hub in Western Europe like IB has.


User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17052 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (6 years 7 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3764 times:

Just a question that pop up in my mind; How will IB perform on LAX flights if they start to serve LAX'???


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User currently offlineDl777lax From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 521 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (6 years 7 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3741 times:



Quoting B747forever (Reply 3):
How will IB perform on LAX flights if they start to serve LAX'???

iffy at best. The West Coast-Europe market has traditionally been a weaker market to secondary destinations, combined with stage length and lower revenue per mile due to connecting competion, and you have a slew of factors that make it a bit uneconomical. Is IB willing to invest up to two planes for this route? Plus, which terminal would they operate out of. 2 is pretty much maxed out for the time being, TBIT is crowded at pretty much any time of day, 4 is also crowded, DL wouldn't let them in in 5, nor would UA in 7.

Sure, there are a lot of latinos in LA, but what is the total demand from LA to Spain?

Then again, if IB is able to connect people to the middle east and asia, than the flight might suceed. But it would be up agains more known carriers such as LH, AF, BA and KL.



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User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17052 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (6 years 7 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3722 times:



Quoting Dl777lax (Reply 4):

Thank you so much for replying to me!!!!

We will see what happens if IB start to serve LAX!!!!!!



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24870 posts, RR: 46
Reply 6, posted (6 years 7 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3683 times:

IAD can be a diffcult market to crack for Iberia considering its a hub for United which forces IB to mostly focus on local traffic without benefit of beyond connections. Add the fact, that while DC does have some tourism and business travel its not one of America's largest travel markets which could make supporting the flight even harder.

Quoting Dl777lax (Reply 4):
Sure, there are a lot of latinos in LA, but what is the total demand from LA to Spain?

Not much. LA has neither a large Spaniard community nor any significant business ties to Spain.
LA's millions of Latinos are tied to Mexico and Central American primarily, not long lost links to Spain.

Even Alitalia is better opportunity with LA as there is established trade links and there are a fair number of Italians in the region.

Iberia would have to focus on selling beyond Madrid in the LA market to other Southern European or Mediterranean destinations such as Tel Aviv, but this is easier said then done as every one from the BA, Air France, KLM, Swiss, Lufthansa etc.. chase this beyond market.

Anyhow be nice to see if Iberia back if they do come. However I suspect flights will be far from a spectacular success.



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User currently offlinePhlstudent From United States of America, joined May 2006, 498 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (6 years 7 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3650 times:

do they have the rights to carry passengers on just the BOS-IAD part? I would love to do that.

User currently offlineGatoVolador From Spain, joined Apr 2007, 435 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (6 years 7 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3580 times:



Quoting LIPZ (Thread starter):
Looking to the current IB's winter schedule I am wondering how new BOS and IAD services are performing. For what I can see, I would say probably below expectations.

According to Iberia, BOS was a nice surprise and IAD is a bit border line but with a positive trend (they expect profitability in the following months). If IB reduced the frequencies it's because IB's network shows a dual peak season. In the winter season, there is a huge demand in South America, whereas in the summer they switch to North America. It's always like this.

IB is now short of long haul aicrafts, but for sure BOS will end up being daily, and IAD with 4-5 weekly frequencies.

Quoting LIPZ (Thread starter):
Furthermore the route will make a triangular MAD-BOS-IAD-MAD during the month of February, always 3xweek.

I guess this is because of some temporary shortage in the fleet, rather because of the demand (i.e.: maintenance tasks?). Remember also that one of their A340-600 is still in Quito after the accident (they had to modify a bit the schedules to deal with this loss, and they even had to contract during december 2007 I think it was 3 flights to Air Pullmantur, an extra capacity provider, to avoid disruptions in the service due to the lack of one A340).

Quoting LIPZ (Thread starter):
So the question is : were Boston and Washington the best options for new long haul services for IB? If they wanted to start new routes in USA, why not choose Dallas or Los Angeles instead?

It seems that BOS was a good choice, and IAD too, but of course, as business requires a period of losses before becoming profitable. BOS did this way quite fast, and IAD is slower, but it will succeed.

Regarding other US destinations, they will come. IB is very happy with the performance in the US, and they have plans to expand. California will come, this is for sure. The only matter now is the lack of fleet.

As the new AA-IB agreement to share frequencies and profits will arrive soon, expect any of the destinations you mentioned.

Quoting Rcardinale (Reply 1):
There was a previous post about a week ago stating how well the BOS service was going and that it would go daily by summer.

You're right. I don't know if a daily flight, but this is the goal. If it's not in 2008, it will be in 2009.

Quoting B747forever (Reply 3):
How will IB perform on LAX flights if they start to serve LAX'???

IB has a rule: "We only open routes with enough business plus demand". If California is not able to do that, then the route will not be opened.


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