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Flying Into The Future: Singapore Aviation 1/08  
User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12408 posts, RR: 37
Posted (6 years 7 months 1 day ago) and read 5968 times:

Welcome to the third Singapore Aviation thread! Our previous thread went up to nearly 200 posts and since it's now about 02.50 - and consequently 2008 - in Singapore, I thought it would be a good idea to start with a new thread. First of all, and most importantly, a very happy new year to all in Singapore and may 2008 bring the island, its people and its airlines much success, as well as peace and safety.

2008 will be another very exciting year for SIA, with a good few more A380s being delivered, as well as new routes to Houston (already announced) and a few besides, I am sure - yet to be revealed.

I am particularly interested in seeing how passenger service innovations introduced on the A380 will be spread across the fleet; will we see, for example, the J Class product in the A380/77W being introduced to the A340-500? Will the airline continue to look at the 777-200LR as a possible replacement for the A340-500?

Not forgetting other airlines and new routes either; Silkair, Tiger, Jetstar Asia and others will continue to expand; it will be interesting to see whether the arrival of AirAsia on SIN-KUL will have a significant impact or whether it will result in SQ deploying the 777 to more intercontinental routes. I confess to being quite surprised that the arrival of the low cost carriers has not had the effect of driving SQ off some routes, particularly as the 772 doesn't seem that well suited to short routes. I am interested to see how the A330 will fare on some of these, because its range from SIN will see it competing against many of the low cost carriers; will some of them go for larger aircraft, such as the A330/787, themselves? Will SIN see a long haul low cost operator, such as Oasis/Jetstar, being based there? Lots of challenges ahead, but opportunities too.

Next week sees the first major development of the year in Singaporean aviation, with the opening of T3, which promises to be a major success for Changi, reaffirming its status as one of Asia's leading hubs.

So, my friends, buckle up, let's line up and push the throttles forward ...

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User currently offlineDocPepz From Singapore, joined May 2001, 1969 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (6 years 7 months 17 hours ago) and read 5906 times:

With the opening of Terminal 3, Changi Airport will be the only airport in the world where you won't know which terminal you're arriving in till 2 hours before the flight lands. This is surely a world first?

User currently offlineLeftWing From Singapore, joined Mar 2006, 284 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 7 months 15 hours ago) and read 5848 times:

imgaine the mess if you need to connect on delayed flts.....

User currently offlineSQ772 From Singapore, joined Nov 2001, 1792 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (6 years 7 months 14 hours ago) and read 5835 times:



Quoting DocPepz (Reply 1):
With the opening of Terminal 3, Changi Airport will be the only airport in the world where you won't know which terminal you're arriving in till 2 hours before the flight lands. This is surely a world first?



Quoting DocPepz (Reply 1):
imgaine the mess if you need to connect on delayed flts.....

Such skepticism just as the new year starts! Well, here's wishing SIA all the best in making the dual-terminal operations work like clock work!

Happy New Year
SQ772



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User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12408 posts, RR: 37
Reply 4, posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5662 times:

Does anyone know if there are any journalists with Singaporean newspapers who have a particular interest in aviation stories, or who write primarily on aviation?

The reason I ask is this: one of the main reasons for my interest in Singaporean aviation is that it is at the very far end of the spectrum from ours in Ireland, as far as vision, responsibility and leadership are concerned. I think it would be interesting for them to use Ireland as an example of a country where none of this is in place, where there is very little interest in aviation at govt level, not even an aviation policy and where there is no co-ordination between various govt departments when it comes to pushing issues where aviation could help - for example, developing trade with Asia.

You know already, unfortunately, that SIA is dropping DUB from its cargo network, partly because of the lack of infrastructure; SIA - which would like to serve DUB - cannot, because the runway is too short. Where Singapore leads and pushes the envelope, Ireland - the country in Europe which most needs a link to Asia - is about the only one which does not. I think it would be an interesting contrast, to see how aviation "policy" is run in Ireland and what lessons Ireland could take from Singapore in terms of planning and developing growth and providing the necessary infrastructure.


User currently offlineRyanair!!! From Australia, joined Mar 2002, 4748 posts, RR: 26
Reply 5, posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 5602 times:



Quoting Kaitak (Reply 4):
The reason I ask is this: one of the main reasons for my interest in Singaporean aviation is that it is at the very far end of the spectrum from ours in Ireland, as far as vision, responsibility and leadership are concerned.

You mentioned that you are a lawyer in your bio, could you do anything in your capacity as that to lobby for some interest?



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User currently offlineSQ772 From Singapore, joined Nov 2001, 1792 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5553 times:



Quoting Kaitak (Reply 4):
I think it would be an interesting contrast, to see how aviation "policy" is run in Ireland and what lessons Ireland could take from Singapore in terms of planning and developing growth and providing the necessary infrastructure.



Quoting Kaitak (Reply 4):
I think it would be interesting for them to use Ireland as an example of a country where none of this is in place, where there is very little interest in aviation at govt level, not even an aviation policy and where there is no co-ordination between various govt departments when it comes to pushing issues where aviation could help

There needs to be interest from the Irish government to take this forward. It's one thing for Singapore to share our expertise (which we are very willing to), but we can't do this if there's no strong motivation by the Irish authorities to improve its aviation infrastructure. Are there any plans for Ireland to expand/develop its airports in the medium to long term? If there's no plan in place, I don't quite see what a Singapore reporter can do to influence any change. If there's any need to, it should really be the Irish trade bodies and businesses who should be pushing for these.

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 4):
Does anyone know if there are any journalists with Singaporean newspapers who have a particular interest in aviation stories, or who write primarily on aviation?

The reporters in our main dailies are essentially "generalists", and they cover a wide range of subjects. However, there are a number of them who specialize in Economics, Politics or IT related issues. There does not seem to be anyone in particular covering aviation issues.



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User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12408 posts, RR: 37
Reply 7, posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 5520 times:



Quoting Ryanair!!! (Reply 5):
You mentioned that you are a lawyer in your bio, could you do anything in your capacity as that to lobby for some interest?

I've been trying to do that for a long time; I even set up a lobby group in Ireland.

Quoting SQ772 (Reply 6):
There needs to be interest from the Irish government to take this forward. It's one thing for Singapore to share our expertise (which we are very willing to), but we can't do this if there's no strong motivation by the Irish authorities to improve its aviation infrastructure. Are there any plans for Ireland to expand/develop its airports in the medium to long term? If there's no plan in place, I don't quite see what a Singapore reporter can do to influence any change

Unfortunately, when you get to the levels of ineptitude and disinterest shown by the Irish govt in its own infrastructure, I feel the best way to motivate change is to embarrass them into making the changes needed and that's best done by shining a light on the actuality of the situation. There is nothing that Singapore has done that Ireland cannot; the difference is vision and passion. If our people won't act responsibility of their own volition, Plan B is what I call "pitchfork mode" ...


User currently offlineRyanair!!! From Australia, joined Mar 2002, 4748 posts, RR: 26
Reply 8, posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 5510 times:



Quoting Kaitak (Reply 7):
I've been trying to do that for a long time; I even set up a lobby group in Ireland.

So I assume that it has not been very successful in making the government turn their heads your way. That being said, is Shannon still a compulsary stopover point for Trans-Atlantic flights ex-DUB?



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User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12408 posts, RR: 37
Reply 9, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 5353 times:



Quoting Ryanair!!! (Reply 8):
That being said, is Shannon still a compulsary stopover point for Trans-Atlantic flights ex-DUB?

No, that's now gone. The first crack in the wall came in 1994, when 50% of flights were allowed to go n/s, but now, we have Open Skies, so Aer Lingus (and US carriers - and from March, other EU carriers) can fly as many US flights from DUB as they want.

Incidentally, today is the 5th January, which is supposed to be the last SIA Cargo flight to DUB - although there has been some doubt cast on whether they are stopping today or not.


User currently offlineAg92 From India, joined Jul 2006, 1317 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 5347 times:



Quoting DocPepz (Reply 1):
With the opening of Terminal 3, Changi Airport will be the only airport in the world where you won't know which terminal you're arriving in till 2 hours before the flight lands. This is surely a world first?

As usual - Singapore always likes to have the World's First ...

Quoting LeftWing (Reply 2):
imgaine the mess if you need to connect on delayed flts.....

I am always under guessing for passengers connecting onto the Flights towards India and from India. My friend who works for SQ told me that rarely are there more than 30 passengers who get off at Singapore from the DEL flight. He said most go onwards to Australia, America, Malaysia to name just a few, therefore those who are going to America/Australia will suffer huge problems, as most probably the flight will land in T2 and take-off from T3.

Anyways hope it all works out for SQ and SIN


User currently offlineAviasian From Singapore, joined Jan 2001, 1486 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 5254 times:

Kaitak : There are at least two journalists who regularly focus on aviation in Singapore. They are Ms Karamjit Kaur writing for the Straits Times and Ms Asha Popatlal who is news presenter with Channelnews Asia.

However, it is perhaps more impactful for Irish journalists to travel to Singapore - a country that as far as it is from Ireland has tonnes of historical links with it - and get a feel for how much the entire government believe aviation brought to the economy. With Singapore's air connectivity, its economy will grind to a halt. It would be great if you could speak to some journalists / editors from Ireland and gain their buy-in into your purpose.

On a separate note, Mihin Lanka - a state-own LCC from Sri Lanka has been operating into Singapore since 24 September 2007. On 4 Jan 2008, it was "officially" welcomed into Singapore and at the ceremony marking this welcome, it was revealed that Mihin Lanka's load factor on the Singapore route went from 29.9% in Sep 2007 to 44.4% in October and 54.1% in November. In December 2007, its load factor hit 79.1% and Mhin Lanka is now proposing to increase its thrice-weekly flights to a daily frequency by the end of the first quarter of 2008.

To do this, the A320 and A321 will no longer be operated on the shorter flights to South Indian cities - the airline will acquire the BAC One Eleven (BAC111 - no number mentioned) for this purpose. Mihin Lanka's CEO Mr Sajin de vass Gunawardena has also mentioned that it will also acquire an Airbus A310 that will be operated twice-weekly on the Colombo-Singapore-Melbourne-Singapore-Colombo route.

Sri Lanka signed an Open Skies Agreement with Singapore on 4 August 2005.

KC Sim


User currently offlineVHVXB From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 5523 posts, RR: 18
Reply 12, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 5245 times:



Quoting Aviasian (Reply 11):
Mihin Lanka's CEO Mr Sajin de vass Gunawardena has also mentioned that it will also acquire an Airbus A310 that will be operated twice-weekly on the Colombo-Singapore-Melbourne-Singapore-Colombo route.

Interesting! Is there planned date to start this service?


User currently offlineAviasian From Singapore, joined Jan 2001, 1486 posts, RR: 14
Reply 13, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5226 times:

Sorry I forgot to add that the CMB-SIN-MEL service is scheduled to begin before the end of the first quarter of this year too.

Does anyone have information on the source of the BAC111 and A310?

KC Sim


User currently offlineRyanair!!! From Australia, joined Mar 2002, 4748 posts, RR: 26
Reply 14, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 5146 times:



Quoting Ag92 (Reply 10):
He said most go onwards to Australia, America, Malaysia to name just a few, therefore those who are going to America/Australia will suffer huge problems, as most probably the flight will land in T2 and take-off from T3.

Anyways hope it all works out for SQ and SIN

Connecting in Singapore isn't like LHR or CDG. Yes, the sore point is not knowing which terminal you flight arrives in. BUT the departure terminal is fixed and the commute between the two terminals is done very swiftly by people movers which completes the journey in under a minute from T2 to T3. So I do not foresee this "huge problem". If one gets lost, there are helpful staff at the transfer desks and informatioin counters that has none of the CDG-attitude to help out.



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User currently offlineAirbus A380 From Singapore, joined Jan 2001, 522 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 5044 times:

Tiger Airways and Jetstar Asia have started ticket sales for flights between Singapore and Kuala Lumpur.

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User currently offlineRyanair!!! From Australia, joined Mar 2002, 4748 posts, RR: 26
Reply 16, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 4950 times:

With that SGD0.00 fare, it still works out to be SGD254.99 per head. Not that cheap lah... I am better off driving and and it takes me 3.5 hrs from home to KLCC.


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User currently offlineGneissGuy From Singapore, joined Jul 2006, 200 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4864 times:

Tomorrow will be a milestone in Singapore's aviation history. Mark this on your calender, 9th January 2008 when T3 officially opens when SQ001 lands...........

I can't wait!


User currently offlineNicholaschee From Australia, joined Oct 2005, 661 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 4753 times:

T3 seems to be functioning very well.

Anyway, SQ's going to fly 4 times daily from SIN-SYD-SIN. That's good news!


User currently offlineNicholaschee From Australia, joined Oct 2005, 661 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 4661 times:

Anyone knows SQ Cargo's fleet plans? Will they be taking any of the 744s from the main fleet to be converted into BCFs and how about the 772s being phased out in 2009?

User currently offlineAviasian From Singapore, joined Jan 2001, 1486 posts, RR: 14
Reply 20, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4620 times:

Nicholas : Has SQ Cargo or any other reliable organisation ever mention phasing out of B772 in 2009? I must have missed that. Would be glad if you could help with the source of this information. Thanks.

KC Sim


User currently offlinePlanemanofnz From New Zealand, joined Sep 2005, 1675 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4602 times:
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I am dissapointed to see that Singapore Airlines is downgrading it's services to New Zealand. Auckland is now no longer going to see 747 service, instead getting a 77W, whilst Christchurch is being reverted back to 6x weekly. Trying to get a seat on SQ286 out of Auckland is hard enough as it is - I think now is the time for SQ281/282 to be increased to daily giving Auckland double daily service?

While the 77W will be a nice addition, the new product is not really needed here in New Zealand, where Singapore Airlines is one of, if not the market leader.

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 4):
Where Singapore leads and pushes the envelope, Ireland - the country in Europe which most needs a link to Asia - is about the only one which does not.

Yes, Dublin is crying out for a non stop flight to the Orient. Due to the runway length at Dublin, I wonder if SQ would consider extending it's newly announced additional ZRH frequencies onto Dublin, similar to the setup of SIN-MXP-BCN?

Also, now that DME is being detached from DXB, and EI is dropping DXB in favour of T/A expansion, SQ could extend one of their DXB flights onto DUB. They would have the spare equipment to do so now that the 773A is not flying to DME?


User currently offlineSingaporeBoy From Singapore, joined May 2005, 141 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4591 times:

Since when is DME being detached from DXB?SQ started the route flying 777-200s but recently just upgraded it to the 777-300s DME will see a daily flight when SQ starts their 4times weekly Houston flights.But i agree..they should extend their terminating DXB flights to DUB....

[Edited 2008-01-15 01:52:18]

[Edited 2008-01-15 01:53:41]

User currently offlinePlanemanofnz From New Zealand, joined Sep 2005, 1675 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 4555 times:
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Quoting SingaporeBoy (Reply 22):

Sorry, I must have got it wrong. I was under the impression that the new SIN-DME-IAH service would replace the SIN-DXB-DME service. Am I wrong?


User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12408 posts, RR: 37
Reply 24, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 4509 times:

We could certainly do with a nonstop to - well, anywhere in Asia; the runway length really is a big obstacle and it is unlikely that the new parallel runway will be available before 2013. Thus, our best bet is to try and entice SQ with an en route stop and full fifth freedom rights, as well as bargain basement landing charges, to make up for the need for an indirect service. Whether SQ would go for this I don't know, but they already fly to BCN via MXP, so maybe there is some hope.

25 Pbb152 : Yes. SQ will fly SIN-DME-IAH 4x a week, and continue the current SIN-DXB-DME the other 3x a week.
26 Singapore_Air : Singapore Airlines will operate the Airbus A380 to Tokyo Narita by end of May 2008. By 31 July 2008 - Singapore Airlines expects to have six Airbus A3
27 SingaporeBoy : what kind of passenger traffc rights does SQ have into and out of DUB?are we restricted in any way?
28 Ag92 : Yes, but I remember an article specifically talking about Emirates 747-400 which have some of the best interiors in the world. After that, I just sto
29 SYDBCN : One thing to consider is detaching BCN and MXP, one of them could extend to BRU and the other to DUB, this way they cover 4 cities (2 new) with 2 flig
30 Kaitak : Singapore and Ireland signed an Open Skies deal last year and at that time, SIA said that it would like to start services to Ireland, although the ar
31 Post contains images Singapore_Air : ValuAir only flies to Indonesia and is part of one of the LCCs in Singapore. LCCs are restricted into Indonesia but as ValuAir offers some frills and
32 Ryanair!!! : Valuair (VF) on their own is a dead horse. They never made money when they were formed in May 2004. Before their demise, they used to fly to Hong Kon
33 Tsentsan : SIA's A380s have commenced her daily training flights to KUL, as part of her first batch of training flights.
34 Pieinthesky : You may be interested to know that SQ327 MAN-SIN gets decent feed from DUB on EI.
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