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Turkish Aviation - Jan 2008  
User currently offlineBahadir From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 1775 posts, RR: 10
Posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 11824 times:

Let's talk about the Turkish aviation in the new year.

- I heard that Atlas Jet received a 757-200. I don't know if this was a new delivery or returning one of theirs back to service.
- Pegasus will receive its second new 737-800 this month.
- I think Atlas is a nuisance in domestic market now. Ali Sabanci would be smart to get a hold of those CRJ900s which can substitute some of the -500s in PGT fleet. Unfortunately, a mechanic that i talked to was complaining about the unreliability of these -500s. They brake down all the time.

- I proposed to Ali Sabanci to get a hold of some Q400s for some of the domestic ops, but he still thinks that they should be used for criss cross flights. You can make more money on Q400s than you can on -500s. These airplanes could be a nice stepping stone for pilots that want to gain more experience after graduating from an aviation academy or military. I don't think anyone in Turkey has got balls to have a turboprop ops.

[Edited 2007-12-31 18:07:00]


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User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4421 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 11812 times:

Happy New Year everyone,
Anyone interested what we were talking about last year this time?
Here it is:
-TK Longhaul fleet decision
-Star Alliance
-TK to S.America, new destinations in the US, or Central Asia
-Istanbul airports. Need a new one??
-TK 310s are being converted to Freighters
-TK marketing budget up, to $35mil.
-MNG signs for 2x 332Fs

I think Atlasjet got that 757 from one of those dying Turkish carriers, can't remember which one. But, yes KK might be disappearing this year.

How about these new routes:
Thomsonfly:
-Bournemouth-DLM
-Luton-BJV
-Newcastle-BJV

and Easyjet:
-Gatwick-DLM

As we all know, this first quarter of 2008 will be highlighted by a big decision by TK. Go Boeing!!!!


User currently offlineBahadir From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 1775 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 11760 times:

Trying to book different travel on TK and some other airlines I couldn't help but notice that there are two issues that i would like to see go:

- BSU (Biletlendirme Servis Ucreti) i.e. ticketing fee. Unlike some airlines in US this is a fee that is applying to online reservations too. On top of this, if you booked the travel online and you want to change something in your ticket through CTOs or agents , you get slapped another fee. Unbelievable , isn't it.. Oh, TK doesn't have a mean to handle your change request unless it's a straigth forward reservation. If you have a connecting flight , good luck.

- High taxes on TK to US destinations. To give you an idea for a one way travel on 1/16/08 DL charges $706 for base ticket and TK charges $576. This IST-JFK travel gets to be $764 on DL and $739 in TK with taxes. There are only $58 worth of hidden fees/taxes, etc. in DL's pricing but TK has $163. Any reason for this?



Earthbound misfit I
User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4421 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 11717 times:

Finally,
Last day of the year, TK decides to lease two 343s from ILFC for a duration of 72 months. First arriving Feb 08, second April 08.
http://www.thy.com/tr-TR/corporate/i...vestor_relations/special/2007.aspx (Turkish only)
I wonder what the configs. are going to be like. And why go with 343s for 6 years, and not think about 345 or 346s or 332s or 333s? It must the price. So these two and the 332s leased for first quarter of next year is the start of fill gap capacity till 787/350s arrive.
I would have liked to see 333s, or longer range 340s instead, so it would have given TK other options for long haul destinations. 6 years is a long time, but oh well nice to see the Long Haul fleet expand. What a way to start 2008.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25054 posts, RR: 46
Reply 4, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 11701 times:

Ryaniar last week won its complaint against Turkish Airlines for falsely using the monkier 'Europe's fastest growing airline' in advertising material.

While THY had impressive 23% growth, it only measured itself to traditional large European airlines and not LCCs.

Quote:
Ryanair secures Turkish Airlines climbdown

Ryanair has won out against Turkish Airlines in a battle to stop the rival airline describing itself as Europe's fastest growing airline in advertising material.

Ryanair complained to the Advertising Standards Association after a responsive TV ad was aired by Turkish Airlines claiming to be the fastest growing airline in Europe, a title Ryanair claims to hold.

Turkish Airlines based its claim on statistics from the Association of European Airlines (AEA), which showed that its passenger numbers had increased by 23 per cent year-on-year. However, AEA figures fail to account for low cost carriers.

http://www.precisionmarketing.co.uk/...es+Turkish+Airlines+climbdown.html

Quoting TK787 (Reply 3):
And why go with 343s for 6 years, and not think about 345 or 346s or 332s or 333s? It must the price

330s are quite scarce on the market, while 345-346 would be almost like introducing a new type due to engines differences. From what I hear, the ILFC birds are older early generation 340s which have started to be returned by others back to the lessor but were some of the only available types on the market.

The 6 year leases should hold TK over nicely till future widebodies arrive and allow for some longhaul growth in the mean time.



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User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17061 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 11682 times:

Just a question to all you you, TK have scheduled the 738 to ARN, but for several days they have sent the A321 instead, Do anyone know why??


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User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25054 posts, RR: 46
Reply 6, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 11680 times:



Quoting B747forever (Reply 5):
Do anyone know why??

Suspect heavy bookings. The A321 depending on version used has 186-202 seats, while the 738 is only 165.

TK pretty aggressively swaps aircraft day-to-day to opportunistically benefit from booking differences across the system.



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User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17061 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 11679 times:



Quoting Laxintl (Reply 6):
Suspect heavy bookings. The A321 depending on version used has 186-202 seats, while the 738 is only 165.

Okey, I see.

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 6):
TK pretty aggressively swaps aircraft day-to-day to opportunistically benefit from booking differences across the system.

Didnt know that!! But seems that you have right, they have even sent A330s to ARN.



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User currently offlineDebonair From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2415 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 11643 times:



Quoting TK787 (Reply 1):
I think Atlasjet got that 757 from one of those dying Turkish carriers, can't remember which one.

Could be only GOLDEN AIR's B757 TC-GLA, last known status: op. for AIR INDIA and for mx in IST arrived OCT 07


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User currently offlineStylo777 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 2966 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 11624 times:



Quoting Debonair (Reply 8):
Could be only GOLDEN AIR's B757 TC-GLA, last known status: op. for AIR INDIA and for mx in IST arrived OCT 07

and still sitting there on the ramp! just saw it two days ago when we passed it by during taxi. I thought it is there because of major financial issues of Golden. If I'm not mistaken Laxintl or Bahadir or anybody else said s.th. about this few days ago.
next to it another paradise-bird is awaiting a new life: TC-AKN, the 2nd MD of World Focus, in Eritrean Airlines colors.

what I also remarked was that they pulled the old and dead BEA and MNG A300's a little bit further to the back of the GA ramp (closer to the Florya highway). the AMC bird which made a crash-landing is also sitting in front of the GA terminal very close to RWY 36L/18R.

Quoting B747forever (Reply 7):

Didnt know that!! But seems that you have right, they have even sent A330s to ARN.

they also sent them daily to AMS, LHR and TLV eventhough there are more than 3x daily flights existing to these destinations. DUS, FRA, ZRH, ORY are also some destinations which see this bird more than 3-4 times a month. it all depends on loads.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 4):
330s are quite scarce on the market, while 345-346 would be almost like introducing a new type due to engines differences. From what I hear, the ILFC birds are older early generation 340s which have started to be returned by others back to the lessor but were some of the only available types on the market.

any info about the former leaser? I could only think of EK or VS, because the existing and still flying A340-311's are almost not available (flying for LH, UL, FI, SW and A7), but a lot of A340-313(X) are getting older and older and also the birds of VS and EK. There are older than the TK ones. AC is also getting rid of their A340's, but they are going to LX and LA. AF, IB, SK, LH, CX and CA needs these birds very urgently for the longhaul fleet. So if this information is true I would bet for EK or VS. OA and PR also have four frames each, what about them? very confusing isn't it? they should finally place this f***g A350/B787 order!!!! Big grin


another question by the way: is the investigation of the Atlas/WFA crash finished? Did they analyzed the black box? Maybe I missed that one, but I still don't know why this flight crashed. Shame on me!


User currently offlineWing From Turkey, joined Oct 2000, 1560 posts, RR: 24
Reply 10, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 11566 times:



Quoting B747forever (Reply 5):
Just a question to all you you, TK have scheduled the 738 to ARN, but for several days they have sent the A321 instead, Do anyone know why??

I was scheduled to fly ARN on the 3rd Jan with A321 but it has changed today.Not sure if its 737 or A 330 now though.

Quoting Bahadir (Thread starter):
You can make more money on Q400s than you can on -500s. These airplanes could be a nice stepping stone for pilots that want to gain more experience after graduating from an aviation academy or military. I don't think anyone in Turkey has got balls to have a turboprop ops.

I totally agree with you but unfortunately Turkish people doesnt like the prop airplanes and Generally they make a strange connection between the size of the airplane and safety so Q 400 might not be a best choice in our market.Probably it wouldnt show enough performance on the easter airports either.Even RJ 100's were underpowered at TO's Ankara for example.A318/319 and B 737-600 might be best choices for Turkey in my opinion.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 4):
While THY had impressive 23% growth, it only measured itself to traditional large European airlines and not LCCs.

Laxintl is very right.

Its really strange that Ryanair compares itself with THY.We are not in the same league.We are talking about a national carrier which serves hotmeal and free alcoholic drinks on a 1 hour flight and a LCC doesnt even take cleaning between their turnarounds.

I say as a Turk(not as a THY worker), its offensive to use words Ryanair and THY in the same sentence.

If you sell tickets for 1 Euro ofcourse you can increase your growth rate, try doing what we do now,increase passenger approval and grow rate at the same time.



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User currently offlineWing From Turkey, joined Oct 2000, 1560 posts, RR: 24
Reply 11, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 11556 times:

I forgot what I was planning to write.

I was reading the Jan issue of SKYLIFE magazine onboard today and the THY chairman Candan Karlýtekin wrote an article on it.He was mentioning in 08 THY will start a "new brand" to operate from Ankara.He didnt mention the type of aircraft and the name of the brand but he wrote that it will be based in Ankara and will serve cross cities in domestic with affordable prices.

Interesting if the project "TURK JET" which supposed to form at SAW maybe reborn at ANK. We will wait and seewhat it is.



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User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4421 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 11539 times:

The article also makes a note that by 2023 TK wants to be a global airline with 250 planes. We can assume that by then TK will have around 40 Long-haul jets. On the other hand that means TK will have around 210 single aisle jets, now that is a lot of planes.
I still don't understand this idea of a TK Lite based in ESB. ESB still doesn't have the numbers to justify this. AYT even though seasonal it seems, might be a better choice, both as O&D and as a transfer hub, domestic and international.


User currently offlineAF022 From France, joined Dec 2003, 2159 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 11506 times:

How is TK doing with new routes to Africa? I think they fly to KRT, ADD and LOS.

User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4421 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 11500 times:

I read this following review today at airlinequality.com, from Dec.2007.
"KRT-IST The aircraft was a relatively fair Boeing 737-800. Load factor around 90%. The flight took off almost on time and took around 4h and 10min. Seats were comfortable with legroom too, food was warm and plentiful. I'd recommend TK on the Africa-Turkey flights price wise and quality wise."
Pretty nice comments.


User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25054 posts, RR: 46
Reply 15, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 11491 times:



Quoting AF022 (Reply 13):
How is TK doing with new routes to Africa? I think they fly to KRT, ADD and LOS.

Add CPT and JNB which were relaunched late Oct.

From what I understand TK has been pleased and actually surprised by demand particularly with LOS which has seen passengers trekking back via IST to reach Europe versus direct LOS-Europe flights. ADD and KRT-Europe via IST makes a bit more sense geography wise.

Last I head they were considering Accra, Kano or Abuja in West Africa and Nairobi Kenya as future destinations.



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User currently offlineStylo777 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 2966 posts, RR: 12
Reply 16, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 11465 times:



Quoting Laxintl (Reply 15):
Last I head they were considering Accra, Kano or Abuja in West Africa and Nairobi Kenya as future destinations.

NBO would make a lot of sense if the timing is choosen very well for good connections to Europe.


User currently offlineRobcol99 From Turkey, joined Jun 2004, 294 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 11433 times:

The two A340s could be:
C-FTNQ, and C-FYKZ. (c/n:88 and 154 respectively) ex. Air Canada.

Those were returned back in October last year.


User currently offlineTurkishSky From Turkey, joined Mar 2004, 243 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 11420 times:



Quoting Robcol99 (Reply 17):
The two A340s could be:
C-FTNQ, and C-FYKZ. (c/n:88 and 154 respectively) ex. Air Canada.

Where do you think the first 2 long haul destinations would be to utilize these 2 aircraft??

My guess is the split of BJS and PVG service and IAD.

I am sure TK will announce them within the next few weeks..



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User currently offlineStylo777 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 2966 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 11413 times:



Quoting Robcol99 (Reply 17):
The two A340s could be:
C-FTNQ, and C-FYKZ. (c/n:88 and 154 respectively) ex. Air Canada.

Those were returned back in October last year.

-KZ is assigned to LX and -NQ is flying for IB since Dec '07


User currently offlineDebonair From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2415 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 11397 times:

I was checking today http://www.skyliner-aviation.de

TURKISH B737-400 TC-JDY is now flying for BLUE AIR ROMANIA
ONUR A321 TC-OAN is now lsd to BH AIR BULGARIA


User currently offlineGokmengs From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1123 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 11382 times:

Happy New Year to Everyone.
More A340's should help TK during the long wait for 787/350. The way TK takes time ordering slots for deliveries have filled up.
How many leased A 330's and 340's will join the fleet and does anyone have a delivery schedule?



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User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17061 posts, RR: 10
Reply 22, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 11359 times:

Today TK operated the flight to ARN with the A321 instead of the 738!! Lets see if it will be a A330 soon!!!


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User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4421 posts, RR: 12
Reply 23, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 11342 times:



Quoting Gokmengs (Reply 21):
How many leased A 330's and 340's will join the fleet and does anyone have a delivery schedule?

Hi Gokmen, Happy new year.
As far as I know:
-2x332s leased from Celestial coming first quarter 2009 for 8 years.
-2x343s just leased coming Feb/Apr this year for a duration of 6 years.

So, by next year first quarter TKs Long Haul fleet:
-9x343s
-7x332s
-2x313s


User currently offlineGokmengs From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1123 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 11223 times:



Quoting TK787 (Reply 23):
Hi Gokmen, Happy new year.
As far as I know:
-2x332s leased from Celestial coming first quarter 2009 for 8 years.
-2x343s just leased coming Feb/Apr this year for a duration of 6 years.

So, by next year first quarter TKs Long Haul fleet:
-9x343s
-7x332s
-2x313s

Thanks for the answer,and happy a.net birthday.
TK is growing fast, but as always bureaucracy is delaying decisions(new WB order) and slots are filling up. the additional A330's and A340's help but why did they order 5 A330's to begin with? TK is a monopoly, the should get some balls and order far ahead and plan ahead for the future, instead TK orders are very short sighted.
When they go 100 percent private they will be top 10 in the world, no doubt in my mind,but not with this management.
Here is my monthly TK rant Smile



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25 B747forever : It is a A321 not the 738 or the A330
26 Post contains links Robcol99 : Per www.ntvmsnbc.com's interview with Temel Kotil; 10 new routes in 2008 for THY. 24 mil passengers, (19.7 mil this year.)
27 Post contains links and images TKfan : HAPPY NEW YEARS TO ALL! The year starts with great news. When I first read about the two 340 I thought, this is the biggest Bayram, Christmas and New
28 Bahadir : Just did IST-ESB yesterday and ESB-IST today IST-ESB on KK, nice service, clean plane, talkative crew (thumbs up) 82 YTL on way. TC-ETC : CRJ900 Their
29 Revo : Have TK confirmed IST-BHX? the times are up on BHX website but not on TKs?
30 TK787 : Correct. Guys I am about to go crazy where these two are coming from, definitely not AC. 88 went to IB 150, 154, 175, 179 to Swiss 170, 273, 278 to L
31 TKfan : TK wont show up until the Summer schedules start. When I first mentioned BHX, it was more a british source, than TK itself.
32 Post contains images Stylo777 : not only US! there is a bunch of other customers who are waiting for a free frame. OA planes aren't available I found out, because they are owned by
33 Post contains images TKfan : TK787, you should be in the Management of THY, Fleet Planing, I guess nobody there knows more about their fleet as you do I expect them to order a bu
34 TK787 : Thanks for the compliment but I am just a copy and paste guy, about the figures. Not fleet management, but in another life I would love to teach them
35 Beaucaire : has somebody some news about the project "Turkish Expresse" out of Ankara ? -what destinations -what type of aircraft -when do they officially start ?
36 Post contains links TKfan : Unfortunately the project is delayed everytime, maybe with the next summer schedule it starts to operate out of Ankara. The last hint we got is from
37 Post contains links TK787 : http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/ekonomi/7968560.asp?gid=196&sz=96015 (Turkish only) Todays newspapers say it will start with the Summer Timetable, out of
38 TurkishWings : They do this when they are sure that there are no non-Turkish people on board. I experienced that many times on domestic routes as a flight attendant
39 Post contains links Kaitak : ATW had this today, relating to the two new A340s for TK: (second article down). http://www.atwonline.com/news/other.html?issueDate=1%2F4%2F2008 The a
40 TK787 : -2x332s coming first quarter of 2009 from Celestial Aviation. -It is amazing to us locals how TK grown so quickly also. In Europe its size is compara
41 Stylo777 : after looking up some information I'm pretty sure that the two 343 cn164 (G-VAIR) and cn214 (G-VELD) are. these are the only two A340-313X Virgin Atla
42 TKfan : wow, well done @ Stylo. Hope they are the Two planes you mention, I was afraid they will save two early built 342 from scraping. Although they are pr
43 ThereAndBack : Happy new year everyone! I'm glad to hear more long haul aircraft are coming. Random Question: In pictures of Star Alliance member meetings there are
44 Bahadir : It was a choice of salad or sandwich with F/As coming over and getting drink orders. Just a simple switch to cans from serving people out of bottles
45 Bahadir : Also, Atlas is utilizing an Inter Air A321 on some of their routes. TC-IEF was parked on the gate as atlas jet flight with KK colors doing the IST-AYT
46 Post contains images Emrecan : Whatever TK does, you will never be happy and satisfied
47 Post contains images Bahadir : Emrecan, to the contrary.. Whatever I say you have to object to it.. i know.. This issue of 'overserving' the customer has been here long before.. The
48 Post contains images Emrecan : Bahadir (Reply 47)   This is your wrong oppinion about me and I don't know why u think like this.. I've never told TK is the best airline and have
49 TK787 : Well getting back at the topic at hand, Stylo what you say makes sense. VS 343s have the CFM56-5C series engines that will fit to TK's system. Only p
50 Post contains images Stylo777 : yes, that also made me think a lot! If they want to introduce the first one Feb., I'm pretty sure they should better start yesterday. If I'm not mist
51 Post contains images Stylo777 : after TK announced OZ as future frequent flyer prgramme partner, now they annouce TAP as a new partner. the funny thing is that there are only two fli
52 Bahadir : Stylo, wasn't TAP part of Qualiflier? So the FF exchange between THY and TAP goes back some time. Emrecan, thanks for your wishes. A little teasing sh
53 Post contains links and images Bahadir : Two new A340s for Turkish are ... (drum roll).. 6Y-JMM (s/n 216) View Large View MediumPhoto © Chris Lofting and 6Y-JMP (s/n 257). View Large Vie
54 Post contains images TKfan : Great news!! Thanks Bahadir, nice news to start a sunday!
55 Post contains links and images TurkishWings : 6Y-JMM (s/n 216) Delivered new to AC on 14/05/1998 (prev. reg C-GBQM) View Large View MediumPhoto © Bo Kim and 6Y-JMP (s/n 257). Delivered new t
56 TKfan : I dont think a 170 seater is too big, considering they want to feed those flights with the International flights of TK to/from ESB. On the other side
57 Post contains images Stylo777 : 6Y-JMM: A340-313X, cn.216, delivered 05/1998 to Air Canada and later to Air Jamaica 6Y-JMP: A340-313X, cn 257, delivered 02/1999 to Air Canada and la
58 Post contains links Emrecan : According to http://www.airporthaber.com/hb/detay.php?id=23412 (only in Turkish) El-AL starts to TLV-IST flights again on March'08. Since Feb'07 they
59 Wing : A little summary to general; -I think THY's service improved drasticly since the last after the introduction of Turkish DOCO. I don't care the relatio
60 Post contains images TKfan : Living outside of Turkey, I guess we are not used to get any food/beverage service anymore. Even with Legacy Carriers. For Bayram and Chrismas I flew
61 TKfan : Just found a listing of the worlds busiest Airports. Istanbul ranks at 46 with 25 million Pax. AFAIK, the Terminal capacity is at 20m international an
62 TurkishSky : can you share your source? I would like to check the rest of the list
63 TKfan : source is ACI, can send you by email
64 TK787 : Bahadir, TK website puts the number of pax on the 734s to about 150 pax, at 29/30" pitch. I highly doubt that you can fit another 20 pax into the 734
65 LAXintl : Agreed 100%. And I feel in the long run this will turn into a liability for TK, not just from a financial perspective, however once the passengers ge
66 Bahadir : It still won't work.. Everytime i land in ESB i am amazed by the amount of land there is around the airport. (there are some small houses by the west
67 Post contains links and images TKfan : Coincidentally today was a news at Airorthaber claiming the capacity of IST's international terminal is at 14m while the total capacity is at 21,5m. I
68 Post contains links Bahadir : LTBA can handle more traffic. The ATC people, DHMI people are so behind the times in terms approaches, technology, methodologies.. One of the biggest
69 TurkishSky : Just checked IST-DXB flights on Amadeus and I could not see SQ. However, it looks like their IST-SIN flights still go with a stop. Would that mean the
70 Kaitak : Do Onur Air's A300-600s still operate for SV? I presume these are Hajj charters; do they operate on routes from Turkey to Saudi Arabia, or on other ro
71 Post contains images TKfan : I think 2/3-3/4of the seats of their classic 734 have 31/32" seat pitch (economy class), while the remaining seats have 34" (business class). With a
72 LAXintl : Nope. The last round of talks, the Turkish delegation on orders from Ankara walked away without an agreement. Unfortunately the talks also touch on o
73 Post contains links TKfan : After forming a Joint Venture with Goodrich Corporation, TK announce a further JV with Pratt&Whitney. Press Release Does it make any sense creating lo
74 Post contains links Debonair : According to http://www.airliners.net/info/stats.main?id=93 the max. seating on B734 is Y188 seats- but I never saw this (does any?). Air UK Leisure
75 Cmoltay : But please remember that on the Istanbul-Ankara routes, Turkish and any other airliner has to fight very hard against the bus companies, that are alr
76 Wing : Agreed. Why don't these guys understand that the problem is not the number of the runways.A parallel to the 06-24 will not solve anything.In the curr
77 TKfan : Finally One who shares the same idea like me. Looking at the Airport layout I think this is the best solution to increase runway capacities, and not
78 Wing : Hajj season ends in February. Both,they operate for Saudia so they fly wherever they dispatch them. TK's IST-ESB passengers are mainly a solid group
79 TurkishWings : Is it because of the snow? I assume they were quite unprepared and under equipped .
80 Cmoltay : I do not see much room for expansion on the east of the airport... The technic hangars and MNG building and others could be removed to the south of t
81 Post contains images TKfan : and now this I couldn't get? You propose a rwy close to 18/36? Hope it is allowed to show it on a copyrighted pic out of a.nets database. If there we
82 Cmoltay : When Wings' proposed the rwy. paralel to 18-36 and proposed the road be taken underground I supposed he was proposing sth. extending in the direction
83 Post contains images TKfan : Thank you for the detailed Information about the area. I was aware that it would be expensive, not only to build it, but also to buy the buildings es
84 TKfan : slowly we get the 10 new destinations. According to the new Aviation agreement with Syria, flights to DAM can be increased to 12/w, ALP 7/w and LTK 3
85 Stylo777 : do you know all the 10 new routes? you only need some money and Japanese architects! they could built you the best airport in the Sea, just take a lo
86 Post contains images Cmoltay : That would require land reclamation by filling the sea with sand. The Japanese are experts in this field, Kansai iarport being the best known example
87 Laxintl : Kansai is sinking into the sea... --- over 40 feet already since opening with billions being spent trying to shore up its foundations, and level buil
88 TK787 : There was a documentary on tv on this one, too bad I had things to do and couldn't watch the last 10-15min. As I remember even though they are trying
89 Post contains images TKfan : I wish I did, unfortunately just collecting rumours and and randomly reliable news As for ALP, it was rumoured since last summer, and now with the ne
90 Cmoltay : It is said the sinking has slowed down in the recent years. It was due to the second layer of the ocean floor settling under the weight of the island
91 Post contains links TKfan : And what about to build it on a bridge/columns?? like in Funchal/Madeira?
92 Post contains images Cmoltay : Funchal is built on existing land, not the sea. The magic in building with such columns in the sea is that they're hammered into the sea bed. Everyti
93 Wing : Guys, by looking the picture above I can say IST airport is prettymuch locked up,there is no room for healthy expantion.What is not seen in the above
94 Wing : An election to vo vote for new president of TALPA was held yesterday.I don't know who is elected yet since I was on an another all night long flight i
95 Post contains links TK787 : Since we are talking about airport in Istanbul, here is another thread on this from last Jan: Istanbul, 3rd Airport? LHR, IST.. Pics. Compared (by TK7
96 Post contains links TK001 : Hello to all, According to wikipedia Lahore, Islamabad, Dhaka, Isfahan, Mashhad, Shiraz, and Birmingham are the new destinations for TK. http://en.wik
97 TK380 : Hi to everyone, I have just joined airliners.net I doubt that TK will ever serve Dhaka. Apart from the cited destinations the other strongly rumored d
98 TKfan : Thanks guys for your informations, and TK787 for the link, I remember the discussion...... I think in the long run a third Large Airport is inevitable
99 Post contains images TKfan : Wellcome to A.net TK380 Lots of TKs flying around here Maybe a good compensation as it seems TK's 734 are leaving ? Just saw their Fleetlist at ch-av
100 TK787 : TK380, Welcome, nice to see a bigger bird than me on the TK fleet, I know there is a TK350 but have no time to post here. TKfan, About the 734s: -6x73
101 TK380 : It seems that Alitalia is closing its Malpensa hub very quickly. For the coming summer season AZ will be operating only one daily flight from Istanbul
102 LIPZ : AZ currently flies 2 daily Rome-Istanbul with M80s.
103 Post contains images TKfan : I think this is not only due to hub closure, I think Alitalia lost a lot O&D traffic to Turkish Airlines. Turkish Airlines plan to add a third evenin
104 Post contains images Stylo777 : hosgeldin TK380, hope your name will come true anytime in the future this is the current schedule. what he mentioned was the schedule for the summer w
105 Wing : Sure,tell me what you want to know about the A321's.
106 Bahadir : Pegasus signed an agreement to wetlease two 733s from Corendon.. Looks like PGT is hungry for some 737s. Yet another type in the fleet fo PGT. I am gu
107 Post contains images Stylo777 : the question is asked already in my post do you know anything about TC-JRE? is it leased to SV or not?
108 Post contains images TKfan : When I looked for the Pictures of IST Airport, i found this 'bijoux' Guess lots of us were not aware of a new Terminal in Trabzon. Construction should
109 TKfan : Where do you think is enough land? I m not very keen on Silivri or Kemerburgaz, as it was rumoured before. If Silivri will be selected, why not expan
110 Post contains links and images TK787 : One of the top photos here; cool TK 321 landing: View Large View MediumPhoto © Ercan KARAKAS
111 ThereAndBack : I've seen construction pictures...it will be a while until its done. Kayseri has a new terminal too I had no idea they built one.
112 Post contains images Wing : OH; I was so sleepy that night,I though something technical I am not aware of any TK 320 family airplane is leased to any other carrier.Which one is
113 Stylo777 : Saudi Arabian
114 Ankaraflyjet : Why ESB should be turned around as a second hub for THY 1) IST in fact has capacity restricitons and is already over capacity; 2) TK needs a second hu
115 LAXintl : OK guys, here are some details about TKs new ESB venture. Starts: Summer 2008 Initial Fleet: 5 B734 Y162 1 319 (required for some airports that cant h
116 Post contains images TKfan : totally agree to your points especially to 1) and 2) I dont think they will open new routes like ESB-JFK or ESB-PEK or something like that in the com
117 TKfan : Thanks for the hint, saw the pictures at DHMI website, looks quite nice. Than I wondered why they dont built a new Airport for Kayseri. Kayseri deser
118 Post contains images LTAC03R : and that's probably twice the number of movements they get
119 Wing : TK doesnt lease any of airplanes to Hajj operation,they might operate the same aircraft fordispatching reasons.Flag carriers only can fly hajj ops wit
120 TKfan : This list I wanted to share before when we talked about the runway capabilities of IST. My question is why can IST handle just four more landing/take
121 Cmoltay : This afternoon, sitting at FlyInn Mall, I have noticed fire fighting trucks (4 at least) waiting on the taxiways to rwy. 26. All the takeoffs and land
122 Cmoltay : Isn't Corlu too far away to be an airport serving all of the city including the Anatolian side? A trip to Corlu with car takes at least 1.30 hrs. fro
123 TKfan : or half of the potential Kayseri has. I didnt understand why the slots at ASR are coordinated and not in ADA or TZX, as these Airports handle more Pa
124 Post contains links TKfan : There is a similar discussion ongoing on www.wowturkey.com. Theres a map with three potential Areas, one in Ikitelli-Sultanciftligi, one in Arnavutk
125 Post contains links and images ThereAndBack : The area number 1 can't be used because a huge residential development is being built there. This is that project and you can see the shape of the la
126 Post contains links Bahadir : Looks like a Turkish 737-400 had cabin pressure issues and returned back to IST. http://www.milliyet.com.tr/2008/01/13/son/sontur15.asp?prm=0,2115399
127 Post contains images Cmoltay : In the later messages in that forum other options are listed, including north of Kemerburgaz (Agacli), Silivri and expansion of the Ataturk Airport i
128 TKfan : Thank you very much for your detailed answer. there are points, I ve never thought about before. i.e. if the talks are about a third Airport, I never
129 Post contains images Robcol99 : Some other news... TC-JGR is painted in a modified livery. I think THY is going to test it. It's slightly modified, as the white and the red in the bi
130 TK787 : Why would you paint a 738, when the new brand won't have any of the type? Just like painting a 320 with the classic colors then returning to the less
131 Post contains links TKfan : there are some pictures shown on Airporthaber.com looks quite nice, but I prefer the classic logo. As for using it for "Turkish Express" would be a s
132 Post contains images Emrecan : The new logo looks very bad .
133 TK787 : By the way, We started using the words, "Turkish express", "Turkish Lite" but seriously does anyone know what it is going to be called. If you were to
134 Post contains images TKfan : I know, best example is London Heathrow having just two runways but handling about 67m Pax annually. Its not that I m a big fan of a third Airport, t
135 Post contains images TKfan : What about baby-TK like bmibaby? Or as Turkish Airlines make the same moves like Lufthansa, "Turkish CityLiner"? what about Lufthasan ? Would Love th
136 Post contains images Cmoltay : A flying carpet maybe...
137 TK380 : I think that there is a miswriting here. Temel Kotil said that TK would be 1,5 times of its current size in 5 years (not in 15 years). God knows how
138 Emrecan : I agree with you but it is very clear that IST doesn't have enough capacity to handle more flights. Let's think flights from LAX, LHR, JFK, FRA, PEK,
139 TK380 : I fully agree with you. I personallly think that at current ATATURK airport there is a lot of room for expansion. First of all the gates 222/ 223 can
140 Cmoltay : I do think that current Ataturk airport should be reconstructed somewhere else a.s.a.p. A third passenger airport is too much confusing for the airli
141 Post contains images Stylo777 : watch out for me, I'm at the work and maybe doing your flight to BLQ
142 Post contains links and images TK787 : I think the biggest factor that everyone came out alive from that accident was the training of that AF crew. By the way just look at where that 343 e
143 Cmoltay : These are some excerpts from the final report of TSB: Section 3: Conclusions 3.1:13 Although the area up to 150 m beyond the end of Runway 24L was co
144 Post contains images TKfan : Nice post @TK380 some thoughts and ideas I had too an share with you. Maybe some will be realised in the future. I have the feeling that TK starts wi
145 Post contains images TKfan : Some more news: *TC-JLG left TK fleet for Lotus Air *Sun Express will operate flights out of SAW in summer *Ali Sabanci happy for Sun Express in SAW,
146 TK787 : Thanks for the detailed info. I just wanted to compare the AF343 incident since 24L at YYZ (9000 ft) is comparable to 24 in IST (7500 ft). 36 @ IST i
147 Post contains links TKfan : found the link, Turkish only So if XQ flies to ADA, AYT, DIY, ERZ, KSY, TZX and VAN from SAW, will TK stop flying there?
148 TurkishSky : BHX Airport's web site shows the new flights of TK: Flights from Birmingham to Istanbul (IST) 1325 1905 1 - 3 - - 6 - TK 1974 Non Stop 03:40 hrs 737 3
149 Post contains images Emrecan : I've just recieved an e-mail from TK regarding the Miles&Smiles program. Asiana Airlines has joined the club Miles&Smiles card owners can earn miles f
150 Post contains images Stylo777 : I already mentioned this in Dec.edition of Turkish Aviation, but nevertheless thx for reminding. You forgot TAP in your list. they joined very recent
151 TKfan : Guess will be loaded after it shows up in TKs timetable
152 TK787 : Hey Wing, I have some questions for you, I am sure some others might answer couple of them: -What is the "ding" sound you hear in the cabin right afte
153 Stylo777 : according to some newspapers it is so far one of the hardest winter this year. two days ago my uncle in Erzurum told me that he bought some fruits at
154 Post contains links TK787 : http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/ekonomi/8050354.asp?gid=180&sz=26579 (Turkish only) -Tall buildings around IST to be demolished? 800 of them? I guess this
155 Cmoltay : I remember from a previous thread that it means "landing gear up, no smoking signs can be turned off". It is an inherited feature. Regards,
156 Beaucaire : Was there an incident in Ankara two days ago,where an A310 from TK had to abort a landing in the last second due to snow-clearing equipment on the act
157 Post contains links TurkishSky : TK has finally announced 11 new destinations for 2008: the link is in Turkish only http://www.airporthaber.com/hb/detay.php?id=23858 Sao Paulo Toronto
158 Post contains images Stylo777 : these three are more interesting in my eyes! I thought of one new longhaul destination and capacity increase on the existing ones, but three new rout
159 TK787 : IST-GRU 6546 mi. Westbound 343 can do this?
160 Post contains links and images TKfan : Airporthaber just copied TKs own press release Indeed, never even heard about them, really surprising, but I m happy about Oran Theoretically yes, bu
161 TurkishWings : Great news. Excellent news actually. I am happy that we are expanding so well.... But we will only have 2 additional 340s this year. Is this enough t
162 TurkishSky : Just checking summer schedule in TK's website and there are enormous changes: BUH double daily BAK double daily TBS double daily ALA 9 weekly TIA dail
163 Wing : TK787, Thank you for these questions,although I enjoy all these discussions my real embition is to share my knowledge and experience of airline flyin
164 TK787 : Wing, Thanks a lot for all the detailed info. It is very nice for you to share. As usual happy landings and less gray hair. YYZ, who knows when. Wait
165 TKfan : Thanks for the hint, wouldnt do that, as TK updates their timetable only for the current season. Maybe they change their habits with the coming Star
166 Post contains links 777way : Why dont KTHY serve Middle East? Some photos of Air Blue at Trabzon taken by others http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa38/saadasadcheema/DSC_0882.jp
167 Stylo777 : due to traffic rights I guess. to operate to the ME would at least one stop in AYT, ESB or ADA before going there. could you tell me the schedule? in
168 TKfan : I too wondered how they want to do this as they also want to split PEK-PVG fights. In the Press release its said, the routes will be announced during
169 PDXBJV : Any ideas when the new routs may start?? Especially the long haul ones.
170 TKfan : I suppose IAD will start immediately with the summer Schedule. I m sure, TK will codeshare/cooperate with United like they did before with American A
171 Post contains images Gokmengs : Guys great 1st month of the year thread, have lots of opinions on the IST expansion issue will try to post a crazy opinion tonight
172 TKfan : Thank you very much Wing for your post, there are some important views/issues that fits better here. Can you tell us more about HABOM, Turkish Expres
173 LAXintl : I listed the routes, and aircraft info in reply 115.
174 Post contains images Stylo777 : wow, I think 1st time in history Turkish Aviation thread is going for 200replies!
175 TKfan : Sorry, my bad, wanted to ask for the eleven new Routes TK wants to start this year. Especially the Longhaul flights. Ok its said, as soon as aircraft
176 TK380 : Just back from my flight BLQFRAIST on LH. I am in fact very surprised to read about the new TK destinations. I must admit that I am not very optimisti
177 Stylo777 : according to a.net a/c data the A343 has a range of 12415 km (6700nm). IST - GRU non-stop is 10535km or 5689nm, so it is capable and has also reserve
178 Robcol99 : Hmm, not quite. That range of 6700nm is an ideal range with passengers/bags only. The actual range of the aircraft depends on the seats, the cargo, t
179 TKfan : looks like a one-stop westbound? à la IST-DKR-GRU-IST?
180 TK380 : This will never work !!!! Why doesn't TK do IST-Shannon-Gander-Havana-Sao Paolo like Aeroflot did during the soviet era? An IL96 would be ideal for t
181 TKfan : :D great Idea, I would expect you to suggest a TU-154 or at least if Ilyushin than a IL-68 or is it too far fetched?? Actually I have no clue how it
182 Post contains images Virgin744 : What's happening with TK's A350/B787 order, I'm itching to find out when the announcement will be... virgin744
183 TK787 : That is great. Sky is the limit... I just wanted to make a suggestion before we get there. I propose to keep the threads open to 200 replies and open
184 TurkishSky : good thinking. i agree.
185 TK380 : Does anyone know if TK's Medinah flights will continue as they are not loaded yet for the summer.
186 Post contains images Stylo777 : [Edited 2008-01-23 05:53:43]
187 Post contains images TKfan : I can only speak for me, as I have LAN at home and work, I have no problems with loading, but if Others do, I m fine if we stop at 200 post. Maybe an
188 TK787 : Try opening this page on the iphone. Sure that has been always the case. Just a reminder, last time I started a new thread, it was deleted. The reaso
189 TurkishWings : This is strange because not everyone is following what we discuss here. I think the new 11 routes is major news and deserves a separate headline.. Ha
190 ThereAndBack : I just saw a picture of what appears to be an all business class TK 737. Can anyone confirm this? I would post the picture but I can't since its from
191 TK787 : I haven't heard anything relating to that. Probably no way. Some or all of the 8x738s to be delivered this year will have 2x2 seating for business up
192 Bahadir : All C 737 at IST-ESB will not work. C pax in that route are not paying pax but government people gettting bumped, etc. It was tried before by VIP Air
193 TK787 : That was a long time ago. Again, I don't know anything about Ankara. I have been there only twice. When I said jet, I meant an E-jet, and as I said I
194 Post contains images Bahadir : TK787, despite of all the increased enplanements , turkish market is still very low yield market. Few international routes are profitable in C for TK
195 777way : Which aircraft did Thai operate to Istanbul before quitting I know earlier they used DC-10 what was the routing?
196 TKfan : I think there were also Noble Air of Asil Nadir? didnt he operate an all business class 727??
197 TK380 : First they started as BKK-ATH-IST-BKK then BKK-ATH-IST-ATH-BKK then BKK-IST-MUC finally BKK-DXB-IST All were flown on DC10 except the last one, which
198 777way : Thanks for teh info, Also heard that Pakistani Air Blue have been granted rights to serve Turkey apart form their current tech stop at Trabzon, no cit
199 Post contains images Emrecan : 199th message from me I remember A340s were used on Thai's advertisements. It is too sad they've dropped IST.
200 777way : But TG didnt have A340 back then.
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