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Why A US Club At BDL But Nothing For Skyteam?  
User currently offlineZrs70 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 3118 posts, RR: 9
Posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2938 times:

Yes, I know DL used to have a CRC there. And I know that US used to have a bigger presence. But with NW's BDL-AMS service, DL's flights to the south and west, as well as CO's service, shouldn't the skyteam carriers consider opening a club?


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User currently offlineZrs70 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 3118 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2770 times:

Let me add: how many seats do the Skyteam carriers have in total compared to AC/UA/US out of BDL?


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User currently offlineUsairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3386 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2688 times:

Well:

Star

US
PHL 1x 190, 1x 320, 1x 170, 3x 175, 2x CRJ
PHX 1x 319
DCA 4x 319, 1x 170
CLT 1x 321, 2x 733, 1x 734, 1x 175
PIT 4x 145

UA
IAD 3x 733, 1x 170, 1x CR7
ORD 2x 752, 2x 733, 1x 319, 1x CR7

AC
YYZ 2x DH1, 1x B1900


Skyteam

DL
ATL 3x 752, 3x MD88
MCO 2x MD88
FLL 1x 738, 1x MD88
PBI 1x MD88
JFK 3x CRJ
TPA 2x MD88
CVG 2x MD88, 1x CRJ, 1x CR7
LAX 1x 738 (Isn't this being cancelled?)

NW
DTW 2x DC9, 1x 319, 1x CRJ, 1x 320
MSP 1x 319, 1x 320, 1x DC9
AMS 1x 75W
IND 2x CRJ

CO
EWR 3x 145, 1x 135
IAH 1x 733
CLE 2x 145, 1x CRJ


User currently offlineSFOQQAA From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 96 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2654 times:

Maybe the costs of running a club at BDL (whichever airline owns it) don't provide a good business case for keeping a lounge there. The staffing, rent, utilities, supplies, janitorial, food and beverage etc. could force the lounge to operate at a loss. That would not make sense. I know when AA closes lounges, it's because they are not profitable, not because of the number of flights. Look at cities like SJC and EWR. They have seen the loss of international markets and reductions in day to day operations, but the lounges are still able to operate because they are able to generate enough revenue to remain profitable. I realize the lounges are nice amenities, but it is stll a business.

User currently offlineJetblueguy22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 2754 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2589 times:
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Ok here are some of the numbers I got:
DL Daily Capacity 2,511 pax
NW 1,134 pax
CO 461 pax.
That turns to be about 4,106 available seats on Skyteam a day or about 1,498,690 a year. That is a lot of pax. I know it is just the capacity but that is a lot of of pax. And especially with the AMS flight it surprises me that they haven't looked into one. I know CT has a lot of NW business fliers. Many of the big companies in CT really tried hard to get an AMS flight on NW so That is surprising they don't have one. And with Delta having so many flights to Florida and ATL they would probably have some people there. US carries a fair amount of people but not as much as like Delta but it will be interesting to see if they look to build something within the next year.
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User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6755 posts, RR: 17
Reply 5, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2549 times:



Quoting Jetblueguy22 (Reply 4):
That is a lot of pax.

Something to think about.. of those 1.5 million pax a year that fly those three carriers.. how many of them are business pax... if you say ~50%.. I could understand.. but as you said.. most of the flights are to hubs and/or leisure destinations.. so why build a club if you don't have the main occupants (business travelers).. believe me, the average joe does not use airline clubs but rather just wait at the gate..

Perhaps, if BDL is so inclined, they should open a "Connecticut Club" or a "Bradley Bungaloo" where anyone can join and use.. it might be a bit more useful for them.. just a thought..



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User currently offlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6520 posts, RR: 51
Reply 6, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2543 times:



Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 5):
Perhaps, if BDL is so inclined, they should open a "Connecticut Club" or a "Bradley Bungaloo" where anyone can join and use.. it might be a bit more useful for them.. just a thought..

I go with the latter name. That would be highly occupied based on its name alone. I mean you would think SOMETHING fun has to happen in a Bungaloo!


User currently offlineMarkC From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 259 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2540 times:

Trust me, if you have never been to the US lounge at BDL, its not such a great loss. I usually just sit in the regular waiting area. I'm surprised there is a business case for that one. The hours of operation are not that long either.

User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8400 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2454 times:

In addition to the above, US also serves BUF and ROC from BDL, a few times daily on Colgan S340. So in total, 7 destinations out of BDL, for about 28 daily flights total.

User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7531 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2360 times:

NW doesn't have a club there because the ground staff there is worldwide and not NW, if NW gets people back in a club might come out of it too.


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User currently offlineAfitch7881 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 815 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2178 times:

BDL is a very large business oriented airport. There are many fortune 500 companies in the Hartford/Springfield area.

DL closed their club because they moved from the old terminal B into the new terminal. Why they didn't open a new club is anyones guess.

There have been rumors on flyertalk that there was talks about opening a new club in terminal A. There is room in the new concourse for one.


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