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GB Airways EasyJet Re-Branding  
User currently offlineEZYAirbus From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 2462 posts, RR: 52
Posted (6 years 12 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 7932 times:

With the takeover of GB Airways by EasyJet looking complete now that the GB routes are on sale on the easyJet website, does anyone know when the GB fleet will start to be painted in easyJet colors?

Glenn


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User currently offlineAPYu From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2007, 842 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 12 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 7847 times:

I would imagine it wont start till March as untill then GB will still be flying under the BA franchise agreement which would probably prohibit any rebranding


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User currently offlineOceansWorld From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (6 years 12 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 7848 times:



Quoting EZYAirbus (Thread starter):
does anyone know when the GB fleet will start to be painted in easyJet colors?

The question could also be: how long will U2 keep them ? And thus, will they receive the orange livery ? From what I understand, GB Airways fleet is made of A320s and A321s, which are obviously larger, but another factor is the difference of engines. While U2 A319s are CFM56-powered, GB's fleet is equipped with IAE-engines


User currently offlineEireRock From Ireland, joined Nov 2007, 301 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (6 years 12 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 7693 times:



Quoting OceansWorld (Reply 2):
The question could also be: how long will U2 keep them ? And thus, will they receive the orange livery ? From what I understand, GB Airways fleet is made of A320s and A321s, which are obviously larger, but another factor is the difference of engines. While U2 A319s are CFM56-powered, GB's fleet is equipped with IAE-engines

Its not unfamilar to have fleets with mixed engine types (eg Lufthansa have V2500 and CFM56-5's on their 320's and 321's) but i suppose Easyjet didnt have much of a choice when they took over GB Airways.

But i think you may be right on whether they will want to keep the a/c, the second market for A320 family a/c is very good i would think and does Easyjet have any aircraft on order at the moment?? If they do maybe they will just use these to replace the GB Airways ones.


User currently offlineOrion737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (6 years 12 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 7614 times:

One thing is for sure, GB Airways as we knew it, an airline of standards of service will now cese to exist as far as Easyjet are concerned. I think thats a shame and limiting passengers to all LCC options

User currently offlineFlyTUITravel From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 723 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 12 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 7527 times:



Quoting Orion737 (Reply 4):
One thing is for sure, GB Airways as we knew it, an airline of standards of service will now cese to exist as far as Easyjet are concerned. I think thats a shame and limiting passengers to all LCC options

I think you'll find that U2 is one of the better LCCs, and GB probably got off lightly. They could have been swallowed up by another much worse outfit.


User currently offlineTheginge From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 1136 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 12 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 7500 times:

I would suspect they will have to do some Hybrid scheme like the old BMED aircraft have, although these flew under BA flight numbers for a while with BMI on the aircraft as a lot were repainted in early October before the franchise ended.
Although BA put up with BMI on the side of aircraft with their flight numbers I don't think they'll accept Easyjet.com written down the side until the franchise ends.

There will have to be some sort of hybrid scheme as they won't be able to have any BA logo's etc on the aircraft the day after it ends so they will have to be recoloured or have the BA markings taken off in the lead up to this.


User currently offlineBA319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8596 posts, RR: 54
Reply 7, posted (6 years 12 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 7417 times:
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I thought the 321's were heading to Monarch?

Not heard anything about the 320's though.



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User currently offlineLHRjc From Netherlands, joined Apr 2006, 1964 posts, RR: 19
Reply 8, posted (6 years 12 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 7408 times:



Quoting Theginge (Reply 6):
There will have to be some sort of hybrid scheme as they won't be able to have any BA logo's etc on the aircraft the day after it ends so they will have to be recoloured or have the BA markings taken off in the lead up to this.

Yes, I believe the plan is that the GB planes will just be completely white initially, and this will start relatively soon.



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User currently offlineOrion737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (6 years 12 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 7368 times:

White is preferable to Orange, anything is preferable to orange!

User currently offlineBoeing74741R From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2007, 1185 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 12 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 7368 times:



Quoting BA319-131 (Reply 7):
I thought the 321's were heading to Monarch?

Only two of them are supposed to be heading to Monarch. GT have got a few A321s on order, whether easyJet chooses to take delivery of them is another matter.


User currently offlineOrion737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (6 years 12 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 7336 times:

I hope the white interim livery is permanent. Orange has always grated as a colour on me.

User currently offlineOceansWorld From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (6 years 12 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 7327 times:



Quoting EireRock (Reply 3):
Its not unfamilar to have fleets with mixed engine types

You're right on this point, but I can't see U2 having two engine types.

Quoting EireRock (Reply 3):
but i suppose Easyjet didnt have much of a choice when they took over GB Airways.

Indeed. I meant on the longer term.

Quoting EireRock (Reply 3):
does Easyjet have any aircraft on order at the moment??

Airbus orders/deliveries list shows that easyJet has ordered 227 A319s, of which 107 have been delivered, as off November 30th, 2007.


User currently offlineAviationAddict From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 630 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 12 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 7327 times:
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Quoting Orion737 (Reply 4):
One thing is for sure, GB Airways as we knew it, an airline of standards of service will now cese to exist as far as Easyjet are concerned. I think thats a shame and limiting passengers to all LCC options

Well, if the passengers liked the service of GB so much more then the company probably wouldn't have found itself in the position it did and would not have been bought out. Frankly, LCCs are just too strong and passengers are drawn to the cheap fares. You can't blame easyJet for doing well or expanding; if anything the non LCC carriers should be the blamed for killing themselves. If they refuse to change their product/pricing to stay competitive then this is what's going to happen. Just look at what WN, B6 and FL have done to the American market; most of the legacies over here are struggling to keep up.

I think a lot of people equate LCCs with poor, unreliable and potentially unsafe service but, 90+% of the time that's just not the case. When I look at the condition of the largely brand new B6 or WN planes and then I look at DL, UA or US planes with pealing paint and mismatched nosecones/engine cowlings and 10, 15, 20 year old interiors it becomes a no brainer as to which carrier I'd like to fly on. When you factor in the difference in price it becomes and even easier decision.

I applaud easyJet and their aggressive growth plan. I don't know much about GB but it definitely is sad when another airline goes away but, that being said, tough luck, that's business.

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User currently offlineOrion737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (6 years 12 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 7293 times:

I dont like agression, be it in a person or a company/business. They would be room for all, in an ideal world. Makes it more interesting for us spotters too. Too much orange in Europe. It hurts my migraines now!

User currently offlineTravelExec From Spain, joined Dec 2007, 449 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 12 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 7237 times:



Quoting Sketty222 (Reply 16):
I too think that passengers that flew GB are now getting stiffed because Easyjet dont offer the service that BA used too.

If anything, passengers that flew GT are getting "stiffed" because BA doesnt offer the service BA used to. You can't blame U2 for BA not being able to run a sufficiently profitable short haul business...

In the end, the market rules, and clearly Europe's passengers are getting what they are looking for. They vote with their ticket purchases.

I have to admit, I am one of them. If it means I dont get the same (only slightly) more comfortable seats and better food/bar service on my LON-AGP that I used to with GT, but my new U2 ticket costs up to 50% less, and goes to a handier airport for me than U2 used to, I am a happy customer... at least on a <3hr sector.


User currently offlineSketty222 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 1778 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (6 years 12 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 7107 times:



Quoting TravelExec (Reply 17):
If anything, passengers that flew GT are getting "stiffed" because BA doesnt offer the service BA used to. You can't blame U2 for BA not being able to run a sufficiently profitable short haul business...

What????

Ba doesnt offer the service BA used to? BA are starting their own flights instead of them being operated by GT. This means that pax will have a BA aircraft with a full BA service. If they fly with U2 they will be receiving a BOB service!


Lee



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User currently offlineTravelExec From Spain, joined Dec 2007, 449 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 12 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 7066 times:

Are BA replacing all the old GT routes?

If they aren't, then my point is proven, and if they are, your point is moot - those that want the BA service levels can still get it... albeit with the choice of a cheaper, lesser service routing by U2.

I sense LCC bashing for its own sake here.

I remember the grand old days when the CHEAPEST midweek return LHR-DUB was STG 604 on BA and EI pre FR. The introduction of the lower service level routings provided by LCCs has been a key factor in the growth of the Irish economy over the last 15 years (allowing small businesses to take daytrips to open new markets around Europe for next to nothing)... like I say, if people want LCC service, it is what should be provided.

There should be even less protest if BA still provide these routings at a higher service level and the choice of service is there.


User currently offlineSketty222 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 1778 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (6 years 12 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 7047 times:



Quoting TravelExec (Reply 19):
Are BA replacing all the old GT routes?

If they aren't, then my point is proven, and if they are, your point is moot - those that want the BA service levels can still get it... albeit with the choice of a cheaper, lesser service routing by U2.

BA arent replacing all of their old "GT" routings.
They are replacing a majortity of them though and I believe my point is not moot. Those that want the BA service can book BA and who's to say that U2 will be cheaper. BA have some very low OW fares out of LGW already and could introduce these low fares to these new routes. They also offer a premium service for an additional upgrade fee of £59.00

A lot of GT/BA's traffic was passengers travelling to their second homes in Spain and Portugal and may be reluctant to travel U2 because they want a full service.

Lee



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User currently offlineDavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7447 posts, RR: 13
Reply 19, posted (6 years 12 months 2 days ago) and read 6978 times:
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and if people care to remember, GT's routes out of MAN were broadly similar service to what U2 offer i.e buy on board. So there's going to be no difference for the "Northern" passenger. But the clue about how GT were thinking of going was given in BA's announcement about their franchise agreeement with GT coming to a premature end.

Quoting OceansWorld (Reply 13):
Airbus orders/deliveries list shows that easyJet has ordered 227 A319s, of which 107 have been delivered, as off November 30th, 2007

I wonder if there's a "catchall" which will allow them to subsitute for A320s and A321s as they'd have the potential to grow routes by adding 24 seats with A320s or 64 seats with A321s without resorting to adding frequencies, freeing up the A319s to open up new routes. Which makes me wonder what MAN is going to be housing in 2010: 5 A319s, 5 A320s or a mix of A319s and A320s?


User currently offlineEireRock From Ireland, joined Nov 2007, 301 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (6 years 12 months 2 days ago) and read 6890 times:



Quoting OceansWorld (Reply 13):
You're right on this point, but I can't see U2 having two engine types.

Yes i can't see it either, the maintenance issue alone, having to have guys that have licences on both V2500 & CFM56-5. Spares is also an issue here.

Quoting OceansWorld (Reply 13):
Airbus orders/deliveries list shows that easyJet has ordered 227 A319s, of which 107 have been delivered, as off November 30th, 2007.

So maybe getting rid of GB Airways fleet is in their plans with all the orders pending.


Also, im booked to fly with GB Airways next July DUB - LGW and then LGW - ACE with GB, do i have the option to rebook with BA or just take my Easyjet seat??


User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7743 posts, RR: 17
Reply 21, posted (6 years 12 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 6825 times:



Quoting LHRjc (Reply 8):
Yes, I believe the plan is that the GB planes will just be completely white initially, and this will start relatively soon.

This seems to be the only solution to a situation that requires the aircraft to operate BA flights one day and U2 flights the next.

Quoting OceansWorld (Reply 2):
The question could also be: how long will U2 keep them ?

In the presentation made by easyJet to large shareholders when the takeover was announced, their Slide 5 was titled "Fleet Development". It said:

"15 A320/A321 aircraft represent first move by easyJet into larger gauge A320 family aircraft"

I doubt that they would have talked of 'Fleet Development' to such an audience if they planned to dispose of al 15 aircraft.

In the same presentation Slide 8 included the following statement:

"opportunity to utilise larger aircraft with lower seat economics on rest of network"

Now it does say on Slide 8 that it is an 'opportunity'. But since it also talks of 'lower seat economics' not to take the 'opportunity' might annoy some of the larger Easyjet Airline shareholders if U2 then went and quickly disposed of the .

More at the following pdf document:

http://easyjet.com/common/img/easyjet_gb_airways_acquisition.pdf


User currently offlineWexCan From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2006, 100 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 12 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 6641 times:

Aircraft will be painted white with easyJet title stickering as far as I know.

User currently offlineLHRjc From Netherlands, joined Apr 2006, 1964 posts, RR: 19
Reply 23, posted (6 years 12 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 5564 times:



Quoting WexCan (Reply 22):
Aircraft will be painted white with easyJet title stickering as far as I know.

According to my anonymous insider at GB, the tails will start to be painted white from February, although because BA "white" and U2 "white" are different, they haven't decided which "white" to use. Aircraft will be repainted into U2 colours when they go in for C Checks. BA won't allow any U2 names on the aircraft until 30th march, so initially the planes will just be painted some shade of "white"...



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User currently offlineStar12 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 38 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (6 years 12 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 5520 times:



Quoting AviationAddict (Reply 13):
Well, if the passengers liked the service of GB so much more then the company probably wouldn't have found itself in the position it did and would not have been bought out. Frankly, LCCs are just too strong and passengers are drawn to the cheap fares. You can't blame easyJet for doing well or expanding; if anything the non LCC carriers should be the blamed for killing themselves. If they refuse to change their product/pricing to stay competitive then this is what's going to happen. Just look at what WN, B6 and FL have done to the American market; most of the legacies over here are struggling to keep up.

I think a lot of people equate LCCs with poor, unreliable and potentially unsafe service but, 90+% of the time that's just not the case. When I look at the condition of the largely brand new B6 or WN planes and then I look at DL, UA or US planes with pealing paint and mismatched nosecones/engine cowlings and 10, 15, 20 year old interiors it becomes a no brainer as to which carrier I'd like to fly on. When you factor in the difference in price it becomes and even easier decision.

I applaud easyJet and their aggressive growth plan. I don't know much about GB but it definitely is sad when another airline goes away but, that being said, tough luck, that's business.

Outstanding. Spot on!!  point   thumbsup 

Quoting Sketty222 (Reply 18):
A lot of GT/BA's traffic was passengers travelling to their second homes in Spain and Portugal and may be reluctant to travel U2 because they want a full service.

Rubbish. Most of them want to save money. That's the reason they bought homes in Spain and Portugal in the first place!!
Also, have you travelled with GT between Spain and the UK recently? I have, several times and quite frankly the service was s**t...  expressionless 


25 LHRjc : Rubbish. They probably bought second homes somewhere warmer than cold wet Britain for holidays and most likely an investment too. Not personally no b
26 Boeing74741R : Correct! There are many reasons why people buy second homes but to touch on a few points... *Investment (whether it's to sell on at a profit when pri
27 Post contains images Sevenair : I don't get all the fuss about the anti-LCC people. If a 'free' snack and drink is important to you - then just buy one on board. With all the money y
28 UK_Dispatcher : Does that mean you didn't like the Orion Airways livery?!
29 LHRjc : But, the EZY prices they announced yesterday for the ex-GT routes are no cheaper that the fares you could book from BA, so the fact you have to buy y
30 Post contains images Jmc757 : Correct, GT were often very competitive with their fares. But why do you think this was? Could is possibly be that GB Airways/BA found themselves in
31 GT4EZY : To answer the initial question....... GT aircraft will begin to be white tailed from the start of February. The plan is that at the same time, an extr
32 HeeBeeGB : An extra row of seats added to each A320 457GBP to Egypt when booking 6+ months in advance, and fares often no cheaper than GB Paying to check bags in
33 GT4EZY : GT was being screwed by BA. It was all in BA's favour.
34 AIR MALTA : Why was GT screwed by BA? BA transferred a lot of its routes to GT and the BA brand helped GT expand. Now the conditions changed and GT could not cop
35 Cornish : But completely logical not to have done. Sadly the days of short haul leisure non-LCC or charter carriers like GT are numbered. They just cannot expe
36 GT4EZY : Maybe screwed was a little strong.....however, the franchise simply was no longer working for GT. GT, by and large, were operating routes that, at be
37 Gilesdavies : From what I understand the A320 and A321's will need to remain in the fleet, or atleast some of them to fly the longer routes like LGW-SSH and MAN-PFO
38 GT4EZY : I got the impression that the code share agreement was to get around not being able to sell flights for ex GB flights between now and when the sale i
39 BHXFAOTIPYYC : I'm not sure about the codesharing bit. Codesharing means more than one, and after 31 Mar there is no more GT, and U2 aren't codesharing with BA. Look
40 Jmc757 : Yep, none of the GB Airways flights after 30th March are bookable through BA.com. The fact that BA have stopped selling GT flights, and tha EZY have
41 1stfl94 : Just came back from a trip to Malta on GT and I see what you all mean about the ticket prices. £80 return including all taxes and sports allowances,
42 Egmcman : I have just come back on my return leg with U2 they really aren't that bad. U2 are fine are in fact they have happier f/a's than some of my last char
43 Theginge : This affected BMED somewhat as well as all new routes had to have the agreement of BA, which meant some that BMED wanted to do it could not as they w
44 GT4EZY : In theory, this is correct. However, BA are taking ex GT crew with minimal application. i.e Just an informal interview. There is a training course st
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