F.pier From Italy, joined Aug 2000, 1528 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (14 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2566 times:
RYANAIR. I think it's GREAT!!!!!
It flies from London Stansted (STN) to Brescia Airport (VBS) which is 7 km far from my home. It uses new 737-800 (EI-CSA EI-CSB EI-CSC EI-CSD EI-CSE EI-CSF EI-CSG EI CSH) on STN-VBS route, their fares are really good. The crew is very kind and departures are very often on time.
I can definitely say that RYANAIR is very good!!!!!!
Phileo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (14 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2558 times:
Even though never try any of the Non-frills airlines in UK before, but I think the no-frills airlines seats wasn't as cramp as what you (Singapore_Air) mentioned in your post. I did come across EasyJet seat and seat pitch in the Airlines TV program (Channel Nine Aust last year) and for sure it was quite spacious and nice in the B737 context. Something for sure, they have much more leg room as compared to the MAS B737 economy seats.
By the way, Channel 10 of Australia already started the new program called 'LAX' every Monday from 7.30 to 8.30pm. It was about the operations of the LA International airport and they mainly focus on custom, emergency, AA and UA. It was quite similar to the BBC 'Airport' (about LHR) about I think the LAX was much better. For those who used to come across this program, any comment?
Ryanair From United Kingdom, joined Jul 1999, 654 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (14 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2534 times:
Ryanair are from my experience the cheapest and friendly generally, Go is friendly and more upmarket but more expensive as a rule of thumb. Guess it depends what you're after. I want cheap so Ryanair gets my vote. For space it's much of a muchness, 29 or 30 inch pitch.
Singapore_Air: Food and drink are offered for sale on all (I think GO doesn't on some early flights into STN), plus Buzz has lounges you can access at a fee plus fast track formalities (ie. passport control). Also at STN (where Ryanair, Buzz and Go are based ex UK) there's the Millenium Lounge any passenger can use for a fee including fast track formalities. It costs about £10?
Phileo: I've seen a few LAX's and thought it was really good too.
NUair From Malaysia, joined Jun 2000, 1181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (14 years 5 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2471 times:
As expected the SWA copy cats in Europe are all facing the reality of the European industry. With packed sky's, and even more packed airports Europe's new entrants are going to quickly fade or if lucky be bought out. SWA, the base for most of Europes low cost no frills airlines is able to succeed because they can keep costs down; with fast turn around, secondary airports, low fuel costs (compared to Europe), fairly low employee benefits, and used planes (initially).
Now the European industry (GO, Ryanair, Buzz, Easyjet, Virgin ex, transavia) are trying to imitate this idea but using primary airports such as AMS, high fuel costs, expensive employee benefits, severe gate and expansion restrictions, fierce competition, weather delays, new planes, international routes (passports from England to rest or EU) and various other things.
I have been very surprised that they have made it this long. But I have to say that Branson made the right move with Virgin and its only a matter of time before the others find out that the low fare no frills SWA idea does not fly in Europe. Wait till they get the latest bill from London for take off and landing costs.
Next stop Australia
"How Many Assholes we got on this ship?" - Lord Helmet
Cfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (14 years 5 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2464 times:
It IS working in Europe. Easyjet is not exactly on the verge of bankruptcy, you know. They started only 5 or 6 years ago with a couple of old Britannia 737-200s, and now have a fleet of 21 737s, all less than 2 years old except for one 737-300 which was built in '89 I believe. They have 32 new planes on order.
It will take a while, and prices won't be as low as in the U.S., but no-frills airlines are certainly a welcome addition in Europe, and with the easier regulation coming in gradually with the EU, some will fail, and more will take their place.
Asia will be the next potential playing field for no-frills airlines, although I don't see that happening very soon due to the protectionism still in place there.
Kriske From Belgium, joined Feb 2001, 40 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (14 years 5 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2462 times:
Well virgin Express still is running , only virgin Express Ireland is going to be sold.Virgin Express Belgium is excisted still and i hope they will excisted in the future their sevice is crap , but the fares are very cheap and for a flight of an hour i can't care about some food and seat pitch.So For me Virgin Express is the best , only because their is no other no frills airline in Brussels.
Ovelix From Greece, joined Aug 1999, 639 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (14 years 5 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2461 times:
OK, all the great ideas come from the US and all the european practices are "copycats". Everybody (in USA of course) knows that!
As for the rest you talk about "expensive employee benefits (pilots are cheap in USA), severe gate and expansion restrictions (in USA everything is expandable), fierce competition (isn't US market deregulated?), weather delays (it never rains in USA, right?), new planes (of course US carriers don't need them. 727 and 732's are still OK for them), international routes (have you heard about monetary union?? No passport needed within EU).
With the exeption of Go (which was set up only to "kill" easyjet) the other airlines (Ryanair, Buzz, Easyjet, Virgin ex, transavia) are doing well with easyjet being the most successfull.
Before you go with your financial and airline market analysis you should buy ad read some magazines such as Flight International or Airways (http://www.airwaysmag.com/magazine/a60/index.tpl)
Then we can talk....
Shankly From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2000, 1557 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (14 years 5 months 5 days ago) and read 2453 times:
think you may have forgotten about a certain Freddy Laker. A Brit, with a British Airline, flying British Registered Aircraft, (indeed even some British Aircraft!)who pioneered low cost transatlantic travel against the slumbering giants of Pan AM, TWA and BA (2 out of 3 US?).
Ryanair, Go and Easyjet mostly fly out of low cost UK airports to low cost European airports. Their fleets are now becoming rationalised around 737NG's and both Easyjet and Ryanair are making good money, particulalrly on internet sales.
I am glad that all the US low cost airlines have prospered so well. So well that perhaps you can remind me where People Express fly these days?
MS861 From Australia, joined Jul 2000, 37 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (14 years 5 months 5 days ago) and read 2456 times:
I had the pleasure of experiencing Transavia of Hollands new no frills off cut, BASIQ AIR. The services are operated with Travsavia 737-300 aircraft.
I flew the service from Amsterdam Schiphol to Barcelona El Prat airport on the 20th of January. The service was exceptional and the crew polite and caring.
Of course, like Easy Jet you had to pay for food and beveradges but the interesting in-flight magazine was free.
The fares were exceptionally cheap - fl 85,: one way.
The only problem I has was that the aircraft was quite old, PH-HVN, registered in the late 1980's. On touchdown at El Prat the captain applied the brakes extra hard to exit the runway at the first taxi way. Other than that, it was great.
GKirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 25214 posts, RR: 55
Reply 15, posted (14 years 5 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2421 times:
Ryanair is my prefferred n o frills airlines. Whoever said SW are cheaper than EZY or FR, I think you will be surprised to find that you may be wrong. Cant beat £29 (inc taxes) for PIK-STN , i believe this price is a RETURN ticket also. so without taxes that will be £4.50 for a 500 mile trip.
When you hear the noise of the Tartan Army Boys, we'll be coming down the road!
HKG_TPE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (14 years 5 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2372 times:
I agreed with Shankly totally that Freedie Laker is a real no-frill airline, and People Express too. Passangers paid their airfares on board, so as food. Checked baggages were charged at US$2 per piece.
Capt.Picard From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (14 years 5 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2363 times:
Ryanair are probably the cheapest in most cases, provided you fly within the "Terms and Conditions" of their promotional fares.
Easyjet I have never flown, and I am flying with GO tomorrow, to Bologna. The flight I'm taking tomorrow has cost me GBP49 inclusive of taxes, fees and charges. However, it was an Internet promotion, running for a very limited period.
One thing I have noticed, is that BA have undercut GO on a number of occasions (BA World Offers fares). The cheapest fare I could get with GO to Lisbon was GBP103, whereas BA were offering me a student fare of GBP93. Not a great difference, but enough to make me elect BA for the Executive Club Air Miles.
As a student, I have found Finnair undercuts Buzz (GBP93 for LGW-HEL, GBP99 for STN-HEL with UK).
I wish the low-cost carriers here in EU great success;if the idea was indeed an American one, well then thank-you America for making air travel more accessible! What a jolly good idea you came up with!
Interesting to note some FR 738 Captains are potentially now more or less on the same payscales as BA777 flightcrew*....!
*When taking the offered share options, and including the value of other benefits.