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Iran Air Fokker 100 Accident, Tehran  
User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12593 posts, RR: 34
Posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 14954 times:

According to reports today, an IR F100 with around 100 people left the runway at Mehrabad Airport; initial reports suggested the wing had caught fire. The aircraft skidded off the runway; one of the landing gears appears to have been sheared off, but thankfully, no fatalities.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080102/wl_mideast_afp/iranairaccident

I believe this is the second F100 IR has lost.

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User currently offlineA300 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 476 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 14854 times:
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Yes, the first one (EP-IDC) was lost on 10 years ago (almost to the date; 15 January 98).


Boland Aseman Jayegah Man Ast.
User currently offlineSIBILLE From Belgium, joined Jun 2005, 483 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 14842 times:

Some injured, no killed.
Heavy snow.

http://www.isna.ir/Main/NewsView.aspx?ID=News-1062614&Lang=E


User currently offlineAlessandro From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 14672 times:

Look like a write-off from the pics at http://www.airdisaster.com/forums/sh...d.php?p=532710&posted=1#post532710

User currently offlineOrion737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 14672 times:

Im sad to hear and also sad that iran Air, who struggle to be able to buy new planes have lost one of its more 'modern' aircraft. lets hope Russia proves fruitful for poor Iran Air.

User currently offlineAirbusA346 From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2004, 7437 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 14614 times:



Quoting Alessandro (Reply 3):

Sadly it does look like a WO  Sad

Tom.



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User currently offlineA300 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 476 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 14512 times:
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Quoting AirbusA346 (Reply 5):
Sadly it does look like a WO Sad

Yes, it certainly does. Fortunately, IR has ten or twelve "leased" F100s. Most of these are ex- JJ and have been delivered over the last two years. They are "leased" from Chabahar Air, which does not appear to be in business at the moment. IR also has further four owned F100s that they received new from Fokker. I hope that they keep adding further F100s to their fleet. F100 fits the Iranian domestic market very well (flight times: 60-90 minutes on average). Having said that, I hope that the plan to buy some Tu-334 will go through as the F100 fleet is getting fairly old.



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User currently offlineViasa From Switzerland, joined Jun 2005, 1898 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 14489 times:

Here is a picture of the plane. They had a lot of fortune, that they not run into the IRIAF B747: http://www.iraviation.com/Picture/OnePicture.aspx?id=103351

User currently offlineA300 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 476 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 14304 times:
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Quoting A300 (Reply 1):
Yes, the first one (EP-IDC) was lost on 10 years ago (almost to the date; 15 January 98).

I stand corrected, the date was 05 January 98.



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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12179 posts, RR: 51
Reply 9, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 13498 times:



Quoting Kaitak (Thread starter):
The aircraft skidded off the runway; one of the landing gears appears to have been sheared off, but thankfully, no fatalities.

This sounds very similar to the AA F-100 accident at DFW back in 2000. That airplane's right MLG seperated from the airplane after landing on 17C, and slid down the Rwy on the right wing. But there was no fire. IIRC AA wrote off that F-100, too.


User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7808 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 11674 times:

I understand that Ice was a factor in the Canadian F28 crash in 1989 and the US F28 in 1992 as well.

Perhaps Ice is a particular issue with this type.


User currently offlineA300 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 476 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 10628 times:
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The Palair Macedonia F100 (March 93) and the Austrian F70 crash (Jan 04) were both ice related. Both Iran Air crashes occurred in January and poor (cold) weather. There could be a pattern.


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User currently offlineAMSSFO From Netherlands, joined Feb 2005, 952 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 10516 times:



Quoting Kaitak (Thread starter):
I believe this is the second F100 IR has lost.



Quoting A300 (Reply 1):
the first one (EP-IDC) was lost on 10 years ago (almost to the date; 15 January 98).



Quoting Bennett123 (Reply 10):
Perhaps Ice is a particular issue with this type.



Quoting A300 (Reply 11):
Both Iran Air crashes occurred in January and poor (cold) weather. There could be a pattern.

Fokker 100s are quite sensitive to ice as some examples above have shown. See also: http://www.aviationtoday.com/am/issue/cover/9314.html. Also last's year's Regional F100 crash at Pau was possibly ice-related: http://www.1001crash.com/index-page-...ir_France_F100-lg-2-crash-175.html

However the first IR crash (on JAnuary 15th 1998) was likely not ice-related: http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19980115-0
"The Fokker 100 diverted to Isfahan due to runway condition and a tailwind exceeding 20 knots at destination Tehran. For reasons uncertain, the aircraft landed in a dry river bed some 10km from Isfahan.
The badly damaged aircraft was transported to Tehran and stored there for while. The aircraft was sold to Flight West Airlines (Australia) for spares and flown to Brisbane by an Antonov 124 in 11 September 1999."


User currently offlineTcv From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 75 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 10497 times:

Nit pick: The URL to the Aviation Today site is has a trailing period, forcing it to fail.

Here: http://www.aviationtoday.com/am/issue/cover/9314.html


User currently offlineA300 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 476 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 10437 times:
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Quoting AMSSFO (Reply 12):
Fokker 100s are quite sensitive to ice as some examples above have shown. See also: http://www.aviationtoday.com/am/issue/cover/9314.html. Also last's year's Regional F100 crash at Pau was possibly ice-related: http://www.1001crash.com/index-page-...ir_France_F100-lg-2-crash-175.html



Quoting Tcv (Reply 13):
Nit pick: The URL to the Aviation Today site is has a trailing period, forcing it to fail.

Here: http://www.aviationtoday.com/am/issue/cover/9314.html

The Aviation Today article is well written and detailed. Thanks for the info.



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User currently offlineAMSSFO From Netherlands, joined Feb 2005, 952 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 9991 times:

The aircraft involved appears to be EP-IDB/11299, which was newly delivered to IR at 21 December 1990.

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It has been severely damaged at the left side as can been seen here:
http://iraviation.com/Picture/OnePicture.aspx?id=103363

[Edited 2008-01-05 08:02:08]

User currently offlineA300 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 476 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 9731 times:
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I agree that the damage looks too severe.


http://www.iraviation.com/Picture/OnePicture.aspx?id=103364

http://www.iraviation.com/Picture/OnePicture.aspx?id=103363



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User currently offlineZeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 9229 posts, RR: 76
Reply 17, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 9657 times:

"On take off in snowfall, the aircraft suffered a failure in the left engine #1. The F100 then ran off the side of the runway, caught fire, skidded onto the military ramp and came to near the right wing of a 747 belonging to the Iranian Air Force. Its main gear collapsed on its way. All on board were able to escape with no or minor injuries. The aircraft was gutted by flames before airport fire service arrived."

from http://www.jacdec.de/info/2008-01-02_EP-IDB.pdf



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User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12593 posts, RR: 34
Reply 18, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 9390 times:

Reported on PPRUNE that acft was No. 5 or 6 for de-icing, but crew - for reasons as yet undetermined, they took off anyway, with results seen in photos.

(Incidentally, for anyone who has seen the Just Planes Iran Air DVD, there's a section on the Fokker 100. Could be the same one ... will have a look later).


User currently offlineCurious From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 236 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 9376 times:

Video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zm5LNFAlM1Y


User currently offlineAMSSFO From Netherlands, joined Feb 2005, 952 posts, RR: 10
Reply 20, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 9009 times:



Quoting Zeke (Reply 17):
came to near the right wing of a 747 belonging to the Iranian Air Force.



Quoting Viasa (Reply 7):
Here is a picture of the plane. They had a lot of fortune, that they not run into the IRIAF B747: http://www.iraviation.com/Picture/On...03351



Quoting Curious (Reply 19):
Video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zm5LNFAlM1Y

Interestingly, the video does NOT show any military B747 in the background. It raises the question whether the 747 was even there or at least that close at the moment of the crash.


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