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US Airways To Get A340s For New China Routes!  
User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 10 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 22755 times:



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Star Alliance operator US Airways is pushing ahead with plans to acquire Airbus A340 aircraft (see cutaway) after receiving final authority to inaugurate service in 2009 from its international hub in Philadelphia to Beijing. Tentative rights awarded by the DOT in September to US Airways were formalized last week.


http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...er-gaining-final-china-rights.html

Very interesting and roumered for some time. Will they need A340-500s?

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User currently offlineWhappeh From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 1563 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (6 years 10 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 22706 times:

That info isn't really anything new. I recall they were saying they plan on getting the newer model A343s.


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User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 47
Reply 2, posted (6 years 10 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 22363 times:



Quoting Whappeh (Reply 1):
That info isn't really anything new. I recall they were saying they plan on getting the newer model A343s.

PHL-PEK is about 6,000 nm, and the A343 range with a full passenger load is about 6,700 nm. I suppose that leaves no room for cargo when going west on this route.


User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5796 posts, RR: 47
Reply 3, posted (6 years 10 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 22288 times:

What they need an 777-200LR. But they will never order another Boeing in this or the next lifetime.


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User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6428 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (6 years 10 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 22295 times:



Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 2):
PHL-PEK is about 6,000 nm, and the A343 range with a full passenger load is about 6,700 nm. I suppose that leaves no room for cargo when going west on this route.

6878 (almost directly a polar routing, too) according to http://gc.kls2.com/  Smile Sounds like it will be a weight-restricted flight.



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User currently offlineAvek00 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4411 posts, RR: 19
Reply 5, posted (6 years 10 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 22244 times:

At 5977nm, the flight should be able to operate without any payload restrctions in all but the most unusual circumstances.


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User currently offlineOceansWorld From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (6 years 10 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 22189 times:



Quoting KELPkid (Reply 4):
6878 (almost directly a polar routing, too) according to http://gc.kls2.com/

Actually, Great Circle Mapper doesn't give us the true air route length. I hope Zeke or anyone having that info will show up.


User currently offlineBP1 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 593 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (6 years 10 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 22064 times:

Is there really any cargo going westbound to China? If I am not mistaken, I believe most of it comes from China to the USA.

Regards,
BP1



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User currently offlineSh0rtybr0wn From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 528 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 10 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 21820 times:



Quoting NYC777 (Reply 3):
What they need an 777-200LR. But they will never order another Boeing in this or the next lifetime.

Can you remind us why the bad blood between US Airways and Boeing ? Was it the Flight 427 un-commanded rudder deflection incident on the 737-300 in 1994 that killed 132 ? Or was it the other incident Flight 5050 in 1989, the other "deflection of rudder during takeoff" problem on the 737-400 ?

Even if that is the case, the 777 has a superior performance record up to this point. I would think if there's one blue chip Boeing Airplane that is the most trustworthy, its the 777. Although the A343 is a great plane, I would think the 777-200LR would be a better plane for that route. The 7773ER would work well for them too; in a configuration with 50 Envoy class seats and 300 economy seats.


User currently offlineBP1 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 593 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (6 years 10 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 21750 times:

I think Airbus was part of the financial restructuring of USAirways when America West Airlines purchased USAirways assets.

Regards,
BP1



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User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25553 posts, RR: 86
Reply 10, posted (6 years 10 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 21723 times:
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Quoting Sh0rtybr0wn (Reply 8):
Can you remind us why the bad blood between US Airways and Boeing ?

Why does there need to be bad blood?

mariner



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User currently offlineSh0rtybr0wn From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 528 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 10 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 21664 times:



Quoting Mariner (Reply 10):
Why does there need to be bad blood?

Well there doesn't "need" to be. but when some says :

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 3):
But they will never order another Boeing in this or the next lifetime.

.. it seems there must be a serious reason why they will never ever order another Boeing. I was just curious what the history between the two companies was, thats all.


User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6515 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (6 years 10 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 21639 times:



Quoting Sh0rtybr0wn (Reply 8):
Although the A343 is a great plane, I would think the 777-200LR would be a better plane for that route. The 7773ER would work well for them too; in a configuration with 50 Envoy class seats and 300 economy seats.

If you were running US then you would buy a few 777's to operate the China routes for a few years in light of the fact that US Airways has numerous A332's and A350's on order in coming years that will be the backbone of their international fleet? Doesn't sound like a smart financial deal to me.


User currently offlineArt at ISP From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 183 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (6 years 10 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 21590 times:

I think the bad blood is past....Boeing was in the running for the wide body order until the last minute.

That said, I do think the 340-300 somewhat inadequate for the route, especially in winter-with winds as they are.
However, as we know, they will take the cheapest (on the surface) option, which will likely cost them much more in the long run.

The recent changes to the dispatch software is causing problems with weight/balance issues, and the number of fuel stops is on the rise. One has to wonder since they have such issues with domestic operations, and we all know the track record on international, how they will handle the challenges of Ultra long range services like this one...

I could say more but I won't....

I hope it works out well for US, but if past history is any indication,...........


User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25553 posts, RR: 86
Reply 14, posted (6 years 10 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 21478 times:
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Quoting Sh0rtybr0wn (Reply 11):
it seems there must be a serious reason why they will never ever order another Boeing.

They talk to each other:

http://airlinersgallery.blogspot.com...-ceo-doug-parker-arrested-for.html

"In other news, US has filed an application to serve the USA-China market as a response to Delta's application for the Atlanta-Shanghai route. It is also talking to both Airbus and Boeing about a replacement aircraft order to replace their older Boeing 737-300/400s and 757-200s."

I guess they'd take the best deal they are offered - which doesn't just mean price.

mariner



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User currently offlineWhappeh From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 1563 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (6 years 10 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 21477 times:

I hope they get 500s, but I recall reading they planned on the 300.

The badblood came from the US 427 crash I recall... (this is all from memory, if I'm wrong, please correct) in which Boeing made a judgment saying the US pilot was at fault for the crash, when it was later found to be a component issue in the tail. It was also right around the time of US management changes, and Wolf went with Airbus an the rest is history.



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User currently offlineCityguy From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 78 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 10 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 21424 times:

US should have never gotten new routes. They are atrocious managing the INTL routes they have-and the A330's as well as the ancient 7676's are always broken. I flew them 12 times last year (INTL) and they were not even close with one of those flights.....PHL and US is a lethal combination.

User currently offlineRB211TriStar From United States of America, joined May 2007, 185 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 10 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 21288 times:



Quoting Art at ISP (Reply 13):
However, as we know, they will take the cheapest (on the surface) option, which will likely cost them much more in the long run.

I disagree. As was stated, they are moving toward an all Airbus fleet. It IS cheaper, but for many reasons, including commonality.

Their choice of A343 was not one of cheapest cost, but one of availability. It was the only Airbus variant they could get their hands on in time (in enough quantity) to make the route work. Its quite possible they will just use the -3 until something more robust becomes available.

As an aside, I'm sure US management, pilots, and ALPA for that matter, are aware that the rudder reversal problem of the B733/B734 were not a factor in their fleet decision. THAT, I'm sure, was based on economics.


User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8698 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (6 years 10 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 21229 times:



Quoting BP1 (Reply 7):
Is there really any cargo going westbound to China? If I am not mistaken, I believe most of it comes from China to the USA.

Yeah, mostly computer chips, drug research and our nuclear secrets. Usually fits in a few small boxes.  Smile

Quoting Art at ISP (Reply 13):
That said, I do think the 340-300 somewhat inadequate for the route, especially in winter-with winds as they are.
However, as we know, they will take the cheapest (on the surface) option, which will likely cost them much more in the long run.

It sounds like you have a better idea, which is?


User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 10 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 21046 times:

How are we so certain they will be getting A343s? US seemed to be very close to getting the two A345s that are now gone to TAM. Maybe they will get a couple of A345s from Thai, or even Cathays old A346s.

User currently offlineCEO@AFG From Norway, joined Jan 2001, 249 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (6 years 10 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 20954 times:

If US is looking at getting the A343s second hand, they might find themselves in a bidding war with fellow Star partner, SAS, who's also on the lookout for more A343s.

Rumors have it Air Mauritius and Emirates have some fairly new build A340-313Xs coming off lease which not only US and SK will be after, but a whole string of other airlines.

As pointed out here before, the A340 might not have the best performance out there, but a vacant A343s are not languishing in the desert, but are picked up by airlines very fast.



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User currently offlineOceansWorld From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (6 years 10 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 20904 times:



Quoting EI321 (Reply 19):
or even Cathays old A346s.

From what I remember, CX A346s are going to Grand China Air.


User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (6 years 10 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 20805 times:



Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 2):
PHL-PEK is about 6,000 nm, and the A343 range with a full passenger load is about 6,700 nm. I suppose that leaves no room for cargo when going west on this route.

According to the aircraft data on this web site: The heavier A340-300E is available in 271,000kg (597,450lb) and 275,000kg (606,275lb) max takeoff weights, their typical ranges with 295 passengers are 13,155km (7100nm) and 13,525km (7300nm) respectively. Power for these models is from 152.3kN (34,000lb) CFM56-5C4s (the most powerful CFM56s built). The first A340-300Es were delivered to Singapore Airlines in April 1995.
In short this model has more than enough range to make it without any problems.

Quoting Cityguy (Reply 16):
They are atrocious managing the INTL routes they have-and the A330's as well as the ancient 7676's are always broken. I flew them 12 times last year (INTL) and they were not even close with one of those flights.....PHL and US is a lethal combination.

Since you claim bad service etc, when why do you keep returning to US for your overseas flights? Why not BA, LH or AF instead?


User currently offlineCityguy From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 78 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 10 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 20661 times:



Quoting AirCop (Reply 22):
Since you claim bad service etc, when why do you keep returning to US for your overseas flights? Why not BA, LH or AF instead?

I stopped cold. I gave them years of loyalty. I just had enough. BA puts them to shame.


User currently offlineOceansWorld From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (6 years 10 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 20478 times:



Quoting AirCop (Reply 22):
According to the aircraft data on this web site: The heavier A340-300E is available in 271,000kg (597,450lb) and 275,000kg (606,275lb) max takeoff weights, their typical ranges with 295 passengers are 13,155km (7100nm) and 13,525km (7300nm) respectively. Power for these models is from 152.3kN (34,000lb) CFM56-5C4s (the most powerful CFM56s built). The first A340-300Es were delivered to Singapore Airlines in April 1995.
In short this model has more than enough range to make it without any problems.

Airbus site shows slightly different numbers for the MTOWs 275 (276.5) tonnes / 606.0 (609.6) lbs. x 1000 and ranges (13,350 (13,700) km / 7,200 (7,400) nm.)

http://www.airbus.com/en/aircraftfam...0a340/a340-300/specifications.html


25 FlyMeToTheMoon : So what would a 343 look like in the US Airways color scheme?
26 Whappeh : Not good... just like any other scheme on the 343. In my opinion, the aircraft doesn't look well in most paintjobs.
27 Post contains links RW170 : There's a rendering of an A343 in new US colors on page 25 of their DOT China service proposal. I think it looks great - I love the new colors. Here'
28 EGNR : Singapore Airlines never operated A340-300Es. The A340-300E entered service with Swiss International in 2003. However, Singapore Airlines was the fir
29 Steeler83 : In western PA there might be, especially with Westinghouse and other big tech companies with a presence in China. China is also looking at flying an
30 Usairways85 : Honestly nothing new here, except for the fact that US has waited even longer to acquire these jets. They have just over a year to get them in house,
31 Post contains links OceansWorld : I don't agree with you. In 1990 Airbus started to define a higher gross weight option for the A340-300 that was originally dubbed the A340-300X, and
32 Halls120 : Sometimes we are forced to fly US because they have the contract. Other than a few average flights, all of my US experiences have been atrocious. Bro
33 MSYtristar : It's a shame that US can't swing for some new 777's, which would likely offer an overall better in flight product as opposed to a mid life A340. Also,
34 Zeke : The flight to PEK in my view would be vi one of the POLAR routes and maybe only 5% longer than the direct great circle route, the return via PACOTS/N
35 Post contains links OceansWorld : What Is The New Name For Hainan Airlines? (by Wedgetail737 Jan 1 2008 in Civil Aviation) Okay, thanks.
36 Spartanmjf : Would the 345 give them a range/payload combination that could work without potential 343 range issues?
37 LAXDESI : CA flies JFK-PEK--a distance almost identical to PHL-PEK--and is listed at 13.5 hours both ways on a 744. US will need at least three aircrafts to ope
38 ContinentalEWR : I cannot imagine spending 14+ hours on a US Airways flight to Asia. They are absolutely the worst US carrier.
39 A330323X : And they're getting 5 of them. Again, none of this is new news whatsoever.
40 Gigneil : Can we please see your figures for all those? I'm particularly interested in your fuel burn comparison of an A340-300 with their proposed configurati
41 MSYtristar : How do you figure? What did I say that's false exactly? That the 777 is able to offer US more premium cargo capacity than the A340 all the while offe
42 Post contains links UPS757Pilot : Then check this out... http://www.phl-cep-eis.com/project-description.asp
43 COSPN : is A340 - A330 Same type rating ???
44 Gigneil : We're not talking an A340-500 or -600 vs a 777-200LR or 777-300ER, we're talking about A340-300Es. They are amongst the most fuel efficient planes in
45 Steeler83 : I actually am familiar with those alternatives. According to that release, the Runway 17/35 project should be completed by now. Is that new runway su
46 Zeke : It would, but a bit of an overkill, 342 would be a better starting point in my view. Nope, but both aircraft system wise are very similar in the cock
47 Sh0rtybr0wn : Now that I think about it, you are right. I was thinking of AC's new 7773ER with 50/300 seats, total 350, that they fly to NRT. The 773ER might not b
48 Gigneil : 777-300ER can definitely fly US' route, I'm just not sure US could get enough asses in seats. Ya know? NS
49 V1valarob : Im not going to argue in favor of US, because its a losing battle. But it was funny to see on 27 December I flew PHL - MAN on US. We departed a littl
50 Post contains images Halls120 : Better than CO, AA, DL, or UA? Well, to each his own, I guess.
51 Sxf24 : The coach product on the 333 used to be the best. The soft product (meals and service) sucks and NW has a comparable - if not better - hard product o
52 TK787 : It was just announced that TK leased 2 343s from ILFC beginning Feb and Apr 2008 for 6 years. Any ideas who returned them, what reg. nos? TK two clas
53 Post contains images Airbazar : It's a polar route. Wind won't be a negative factor. The A343 can easily do this route. These are all routes that have operated or still exist with A
54 747fan : Another question that hasn't been brought up yet is possible runway length issues at PHL. The longest runway there, 9R/27L is 10,506 ft. long - is tha
55 Gigneil : Yes, and every time it has been discussed wrong. The A340 has fantastic takeoff performance. NS
56 Iloveboeing : Oh man, a Boeing 777-300ER would great in US colors! Anyone got a hypothetical pic of a US 777-300ER?
57 Airbus3801 : If I am not mistaken, perhaps I am, I believe I have seen A343's in PHL when I have been there before. Does LH operate A343's to Frankfurt from PHL?
58 MSYtristar : I should have thrown in the A345 into my initial post, as that plane, in terms of commonality, would make more sense obviously. I mentioned the 777 b
59 Gigneil : That's the thing, it ISN'T. I don't get why everyone is so sure that it is. 2 CFM-56s burn less fuel than a GE-90 on a typical stage. We've covered t
60 Jlbmedia : Yes, Both AF and LH use the A330 on at least some of their flights. I have read on several posts that an airline must be certified to do Polar Routes
61 Gigneil : I am unclear about specific certifications for Polar flying... I would think that a lot of those routes require ETOPS 207 on certain days of the year
62 Sdq777 : It's more economical to operate aircraft from one company IMO.
63 747fan : True - LH has operated A343's into PHL, but keep in mind PHL-FRA doesn't require nearly as much fuel as PHL-PEK and I doubt LH's A343's would be at M
64 CXfirst : I don't know if any one has seen this yet. Pg. 10 Proposed schedules. Equiptment - A343 (42/227) So, 42 Envoy seats and 227 Economy seats. Pg. 56 even
65 Post contains images Zeke : Have a close look at the 343 and 772ER, very comparable over long haul flights. The 343 cannot compete with a 772LR or 773ER. I have been flying them
66 MSYtristar : I wasn't talking about a domestic widebody. I was talking about all the international heavies (excluding the 340's) which depart ATL. Actually it was
67 MSYtristar : Nor should it. It's merely an observation from us peons in the back.
68 MSYtristar : Yes, I realize that. See my above responses to Zeke.
69 Post contains links and images Pellegrine : This has to be one of the more accurate posts I've seen on this forum in a while, haha. Although the 77E, considering a max. of 297.6 metric tonnes T
70 Pilot21 : The only ones that appear to be available are AC's A340's. At the moment they have 1 stored A340 which hasn't found an owner according to ATDB. C-FYK
71 SRMD11 : [quote=NYC777,reply=3]What they need an 777-200LR. It depends on what will be judged... If US Airways put the priority at comfort, so the A-343 is the
72 QantasHeavy : Airbus makes sense for US... but I was thinking (hoping?) they'd go with the 345. Boeing issue was rudder reversal, not uncommanded movement (movement
73 MSYtristar : Quite a bit of business travel on that one which tends to fill up the numerous Business Class seats fairly easily. It will really just depend on what
74 Post contains images Halls120 : I see you've never flown US.
75 JoeCattoli : Yeah right... That must be the reason for the A343X being able to take off from SXM ( 2349 m - 7708 ft ) and go back to France when the 772ER can't..
76 A350 : I think the A340-300 makes perfectly sense since it's both a very good short-time and long-time solution. Short-time because the route is exactly the
77 Post contains images RB211TriStar : How about a simple thumbs up to finally see an A340 based in the CONUS?
78 Post contains images DIA : Okay, I'll bite. I enjoy watching LH's A#$# on our DEN-MUC routing. I actually enjoy those long t/o rolls with a slow ascent...Besides, I would think
79 Burnsie28 : Especially when Airbus helped finance them during BK. I don't know if US Airways will be able to make China last against NW, UA, CO.
80 Airbazar : PAL could be another candidate as they start receiving their 773ER's. But why would US need 5 A340's to operate only 1 route? By my estimates 2 would
81 Spoke2Spoke : This is great to hear for the airline and for Philadelphia. I would expect this service to be lucrative for both. Right on the money. The airline is a
82 Usairways85 : Well 3 would be the minimum, with 2 operating the route and 1 as a spare. While operating an A330 with a fuel stop is a possibility that screws up th
83 Amwest2United : um, your kidding, right? They would never have a "Spare" if they operated only 2 of the type. Typically, you have 1 spare for every 20 or so frames a
84 NwAflyer07 : I just hope US makes a decision based on what best suits their financial needs and their business plan. Going with the A340 just because of a fallout
85 Avek00 : This is an airline-specific configuration issue, not specific to the aircraft type. US can put most any industry-leading (or industry-trailing) premi
86 SoBe : It was awarded as 747 service.
87 Amwest2United : It goes to a B777 in 2 weeks!
88 SoBe : I missed that. Does the DOT or other applicants who lost have any recourse if the service changes from what was in the application and the award?
89 MSYtristar : Even though the wider cabin 777 can give the airline more options, especially in regards to a more comfortable premium cabin, of course it's up to th
90 Post contains images Airbazar : I think the wider cabin for better product is a little overrated anyway. This product on a narrower A340 doesn't look to shabby to me
91 Jlbmedia : What would be the latest date for USAirways to change the A330 order to new build A340s and received them in time to use them for a March 2009 China s
92 MSYtristar : No, of course it's not shabby. I think I overstated the fact about better cabin offererings a bit anyway, since US is not EK and will not be putting
93 EI321 : My guess is early 2008. Isn't there an A340 conversion option in that latest A330 order? Out of interest, can anybody calculate the approx fuel burn
94 Mah584jr : This is plenty of room especially when you factor in the wind. LH has flown 343s into PHL year-round. BA used to fly 747s year-round from LHR as well
95 Flighty : Correct. Only 2 birds are needed for PHL-PEK. 14 hours per day utilization, each bird. No problem. Not much downtime, but it works for awhile. Correc
96 Centrair : Exactly. Look at how DL has been using thier 772ERs. The hint on how they will use the aircraft comes from the schedule. The aircraft leaves PHL at 1
97 Byrdluvs747 : Some of you need to do some reading over in the Flyertalk forum. One would have to be a fool to fly US anywhere internationally. Just ask those pax th
98 QantasHeavy : In fairness, though, those 343s and 744 would be nowhere near MTOW. NE USA to UK/Western Europe is almost short haul. The 343 going to China would no
99 Post contains images Teme82 : It's A345 btw... look the engines they are RR Trent's So that does it. US will get the A345.
100 Post contains images Halls120 : Better put your asbestos suit on. All the "320 is better than the 737 because it's wider" proponents won't like reading your heretical statement....
101 Post contains images Zeke : We dont use Polar 3 for JFK-HKG every time due to winds, even though it is almost smack on the great circle track. Polar 1 basically takes you Dikson
102 RW170 : Thanks for the correction - I can't identitfy a model by its engines. Their presentation specifically says A340-300, but I'm sure it will really be w
103 Post contains images Airbazar : Unless you're TAM operating GRU-FRA, or EK operating DXB-ZRH, but I know what you mean
104 Micstatic : Their coach product is among the worst.
105 Bobnwa : How many carriers have you flown Y class on internationaly to be able to make that statement?
106 Micstatic : Your response seems irrelevant unless I missed his point. I thought I read he was saying USAirways had the best coach product in the USA. My response
107 MSYPI7185 : The bad blood between US and Boeing began when Stephen Wolf became the CEO of US. Our fleet had way way too many different fleet types 8 IIRC. US was
108 Post contains images Multimark : Where's YTO
109 Vega : Actually, it's 2 330-200s. The source/availability of the 5 anticipated 340-300s are still publicly unknown, however only 2 or 3 are required before
110 Zeke : YTO is the IATA code for Toronto, the airports in Toronto have their own as well (YKZ, YTZ, YYZ). In our ticketing system I cannot use YYZ I have to
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