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Trans-Atlantic Capable Biz Jets?  
User currently offlineA380fo From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 322 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 17109 times:

I have a couple questions?

Im curious as to what business jets are capable of flying trans atlantic. Like what aircraft for example could fly from LA trans-atlantic and with how many stops??

How about from like JFK, what biz jet could make it??

Thanks!!

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User currently offlineFalcon flyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1326 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 17081 times:

Several bizjets are capable of West Coast-Europe and East Coast-Europe. Large cabin aircraft in the Gulfstream GV, G550 Bombardier Global Express and Falcon 7X are capable of operating non-stop in both directions between the West Coast and Europe. GIVs, G450s, Challenger 604s and Falcon 900s will also do the job. Mid-size and super mid-size cabin aircraft such as the new Challenger 605, Falcon 2000EX and 2000LX are capable of East Coast-Europe and back. Other aircraft like the Bombardier Challenger 605 and Challenger 300, Hawker 900XP and 4000 are trans-Atlantic capable, it all depends on what your mission/payload and budget requirements are.


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User currently offlineCorey07850 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2527 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 17052 times:



Quoting Falcon flyer (Reply 1):
GIVs, G450s, Challenger 604s and Falcon 900s will also do the job.

West coast to Europe?? None of those could make it non-stop (assuming LA-London).

Strictly talking corporate jets, I would say the only planes on the market able to make it would be Global XRS, Global 5000, G550, and Falcon 7x.

NY-London can be done by a vast majority of corporate aircraft (I won't even begin to try to name them all)


User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21640 posts, RR: 55
Reply 3, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 16966 times:



Quoting A380fo (Thread starter):
Like what aircraft for example could fly from LA trans-atlantic and with how many stops??

Any bizjet can fly across the Atlantic with enough stops.

LA to London non-stop would be the domain of the Global Express, G-V, BBJ, ACJ and Falcon 7X.

The G-IV, Falcon 900 and Hawker Horizon (some of the names are probably different now) could probably make London nonstop from Chicago.

The Falcon 2000 and Challenger could do the job from the Northeast to London.

A whole lot of them could do the job if they made a stop in Gander or Iceland.

-Mir



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User currently offlineSOBHI51 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jun 2003, 3477 posts, RR: 17
Reply 4, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 16920 times:
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The 737BBJ can do both West coast and East coast to Europe and even parts of the Middle East from the East coast.


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User currently offlineFalcon Flyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1326 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 16869 times:



Quoting Corey07850 (Reply 2):
West coast to Europe?? None of those could make it non-stop (assuming LA-London).

I phrased and typed it incorrectly, I meant to say those were only capable from the East Coast.



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User currently offlineTb727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1597 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 16867 times:

You haven't crossed until you've crossed in a tiny Lear 36. Not quite East Coast-London range but we just did Gander-Amsterdam in one of ours and it doesn't even have the extended tips mod. I'll never cross the pond in one of those again, I'm ready for something bigger!


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User currently offlineA380fo From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 322 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 16849 times:

What about any of the Citations. From LA where could they make it non-stop? And how about the Challenger?

User currently offlineBlueFlyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4006 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 16801 times:
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Quoting A380fo (Reply 7):
What about any of the Citations.

I think the Citation 750 has the longest range of the series, and out of LAX, it will splash close to the Newfoundland shore.
At the other end, the 550 will land within sight of the Great Lakes...

Quoting Mir (Reply 3):
The G-IV, Falcon 900 and Hawker Horizon (some of the names are probably different now) could probably make London nonstop from Chicago.

The G-400 and Falcon 900 easily can, the Hawker 4000 might, on a very good day, and if there's no hold over London...

Quoting Tb727 (Reply 6):
You haven't crossed until you've crossed in a tiny Lear 36

I bet you missed coach... The seat isn't as comfortable, but at least you can stand up!

[Edited 2008-01-02 22:50:34]


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User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 9, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 16766 times:



Quoting Tb727 (Reply 6):
You haven't crossed until you've crossed in a tiny Lear 36. Not quite East Coast-London range but we just did Gander-Amsterdam in one of ours and it doesn't even have the extended tips mod. I'll never cross the pond in one of those again, I'm ready for something bigger!

Try it in an Eclipse 500.  Smile Three fuel/toilet stops from LA to Europe, two in Canada and one in Iceland.


User currently offlineDEVILFISH From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4840 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 16728 times:



Quoting Corey07850 (Reply 2):

NY-London can be done by a vast majority of corporate aircraft (I won't even begin to try to name them all)

I'll begin with this.....

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"And with 4,100 nm/7,600 km of range with eight passengers, it has the range to fly nonstop from London to New York, transcontinentally within the US, from Europe to the Middle East, and throughout Asia."



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User currently offlineGCT64 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2007, 1398 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 16628 times:

Looking at the London area, relatively large numbers of Biz Jets do East Coast-London (and return) on a daily basis, far fewer operate to the West Coast but it is still pretty regular. A few of these go non-stop and others stop en route:

Some non-stop examples:

23 Dec VP-CRC BD700 went LTN-LAX non-stop
27 Dec N127QS BBJ arrived at LTN non-stop from LAX.

conversely, some examples with stops:

N3050 G5 went from LTN to VNY on 15 Jan but made a stop en route.
N430QS G450 did exactly the same the following day.
N800PJ Galaxy arrived at LTN on 15 Dec from SJC but a stop en route.
N904JY Fa900EX arrived at LTN on 1 Jan from SJC but made two stops en route.



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User currently offlineUnited_Fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7496 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 16596 times:

I know Kodak's Challenger did ROC-FRA a couple years ago. That's a long time to be on a plane of that size.....


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User currently offlineBP1 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 593 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 16491 times:

The East Coast - London market is very saturated with business jets on a daily basis. The one-way charters can be found from Teterboro to London for anywhere from $35K to $90 one-way. Just depends on the search you do and/or the honesty of the broker you might be working with.

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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21640 posts, RR: 55
Reply 14, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 16481 times:



Quoting A380fo (Reply 7):
What about any of the Citations. From LA where could they make it non-stop?

The Citation X could probably make Europe from LA with only one stop in Gander/St. Johns/Goose Bay/etc.

Quoting Tb727 (Reply 6):
You haven't crossed until you've crossed in a tiny Lear 36.

Damn, that sounds like fun. I'd do it.

-Mir



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User currently offlineGCT64 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2007, 1398 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 16428 times:



Quoting Mir (Reply 14):
The Citation X could probably make Europe from LA with only one stop in Gander/St. Johns/Goose Bay/etc.

If you look at LTN examples from Dec 07 then:

N700LH flew YYR-LTN non-stop
N704LX flew LTN-YYR non-stop
and
G-CDCX flew YHZ-LTN non-stop

All are C750s.

So it looks like that can be pretty reliably flown by a Citation X in one hop.



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User currently offlineBond007 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 5417 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 16298 times:



Quoting GCT64 (Reply 15):
So it looks like that can be pretty reliably flown by a Citation X in one hop.

You mean 2 hops ??

Reply 1 from FalconFlyer correctly identifies the types that are capable.

As for West Coast to Europe ... the only corporate jets routinely doing this run are Global Express and G4/5.

For East Coast, mostly restricted to Challengers, Global Express, Gulfstream 4/5, Citation X, Falcon 900/2000, and actually Galaxys (G150/200) do the run across on delivery to Halifax. The odd Hawker makes it to Shannon now and again.

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User currently offlineCorey07850 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2527 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 16178 times:



Quoting Bond007 (Reply 16):

We used to have a G200 that could make HPN-LTN non-stop (couldn't do the return though)


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26499 posts, RR: 75
Reply 18, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 16137 times:



Quoting Falcon flyer (Reply 1):
Large cabin aircraft in the Gulfstream GV, G550 Bombardier Global Express and Falcon 7X are capable of operating non-stop in both directions between the West Coast and Europe. GIVs, G450s, Challenger 604s and Falcon 900s will also do the job.

The first set definately will, but not the second. I would add the BBJ1 and the A319CJ to the list.

Quoting Corey07850 (Reply 2):
Strictly talking corporate jets, I would say the only planes on the market able to make it would be Global XRS, Global 5000, G550, and Falcon 7x.

Not to mention the BBJ1 and A319CJ

Quoting Tb727 (Reply 6):
You haven't crossed until you've crossed in a tiny Lear 36.

I would say you haven't crossed until you've ferried a C172  Wink

Quoting A380fo (Reply 7):
What about any of the Citations. From LA where could they make it non-stop?

The Citation X will do pretty much any US transcon or Hawai'i.

Quoting Mir (Reply 14):

The Citation X could probably make Europe from LA with only one stop in Gander/St. Johns/Goose Bay/etc.

The Citation X may well be able to make that stop in New York if you keep it to about M.86.

Quoting Bond007 (Reply 16):

As for West Coast to Europe ... the only corporate jets routinely doing this run are Global Express and G4/5.

The Falcon 7X will do that run as well, and do it cheaper than the Global or the G550/V



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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21640 posts, RR: 55
Reply 19, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 16067 times:



Quoting N1120A (Reply 18):
The Citation X may well be able to make that stop in New York if you keep it to about M.86.

Isn't keeping a C750 at M.86 like buying a thoroughbred racehorse and tying its hind legs together?  Wink

-Mir



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User currently offlineLowrider From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 3220 posts, RR: 10
Reply 20, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 16053 times:



Quoting A380fo (Reply 7):
What about any of the Citations.

Talked to a Sovereign (Ce680) that was west bound at 430. I think they had left Shannon and were stopping in Gander.



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26499 posts, RR: 75
Reply 21, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 16040 times:



Quoting Mir (Reply 19):

Isn't keeping a C750 at M.86 like buying a thoroughbred racehorse and tying its hind legs together?

Nah. It is more like taking a Quarter Horse and turning it into a Through Bred  Wink



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User currently offlineBond007 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 5417 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 15991 times:



Quoting N1120A (Reply 18):
The Falcon 7X will do that run as well, and do it cheaper than the Global or the G550/V

Yeah, I did say 'routinely fly' ..  Wink


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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26499 posts, RR: 75
Reply 23, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 15987 times:



Quoting Bond007 (Reply 22):

Yeah, I did say 'routinely fly' ..

Well, at this point, there are just not as many Falcon 7x's out there.



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User currently offlineCitationJet From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2438 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 15945 times:



Quoting Mir (Reply 3):
Any bizjet can fly across the Atlantic with enough stops.

Agreed. The Citation Mustang and the Eclipse have gone to Europe.


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25 Tjwgrr : I happened to catch one of our hometown G-V's do RKSS (Seoul-Gimpo) -KGRR (Grand Rapids, MI) non-stop a while back. RKSS-KGRR 6535 miles
26 Bond007 : Well, almost every common type of aircraft of course, has at one time probably crossed the Atlantic. All bizjets manufactured in the USA commonly fly
27 PavlovsDog : Slightly off topic but does anyone know if there are plans to make the Sukhoi Superjet into a bizjet? I imagine that with a low price, wide fuselage,
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