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Why Not Iberia Cargo?  
User currently offlineJMULAH From Spain, joined Nov 2007, 61 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2496 times:

Why is it that Iberia doesn't have a cargo operation with their own aircraft? I mean, you see AF , AZ, LH, CX, etc..... with their own planes, and my question is, why won't they have a few planes destined only for their cargo ops? Wouldn't Latin America make them lots of money?
Last time i heard they had a DC-8 for that now it is in Cygnus Air colors.

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User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 1, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2487 times:



Quoting JMULAH (Thread starter):
Last time i heard they had a DC-8 for that now it is in Cygnus Air colors.

Cygnus Air also operates converted 757s that used to fly for IB prior to their cargo conversion.


User currently offlineJMULAH From Spain, joined Nov 2007, 61 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2460 times:

So Cygnus Air operates for IB on cargo ops? Wouldn't it make more sense if IB had their own A/C for that?

User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 3, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2401 times:



Quoting JMULAH (Reply 2):
So Cygnus Air operates for IB on cargo ops? Wouldn't it make more sense if IB had their own A/C for that?

Nothing unusual about that. Maybe for IB it's more profitable to subcontract dedicated cargo flights to a different carrier, in this case Cygnus Air. Qantas Freight and Air New Zealand Cargo have a similar arrangement with 5Y (the infamous QF and/or NZ flight that has a four digit flight number that starts with a 7 and constantly flies in and out of TOL and makes a stop in HNL en route to SYD or AKL). BA has also something similar through a UK subsidiary of 5Y named Global Supply Systems, which operates all flights on behalf of British Airways World Cargo. Besides, only few carriers have their own dedicated cargo operation nowadays anyway (e.g. AF with Air France Cargo and LH with Lufthansa Cargo).


User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7258 posts, RR: 17
Reply 4, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2344 times:



Quoting LTU932 (Reply 3):
BA has also something similar through a UK subsidiary of 5Y named Global Supply Systems, which operates all flights on behalf of British Airways World Cargo.

All GSS flights are operated on behalf of BA. And they all originate from STN. GSS uses its fleet of 744Fs to fly to ATL, BAH, BOM, CGN, DEL, DMM, DXB, FRA, HKG, MAA, MUC, PVG, IAH and ORD on behalf of BA. The presence of some European destinations in this 'long haul' list is because of individual flight routings that, for example, include STN-FRA-PIK-ATL. Also note that, for example, the three Indian destinations are not served by outward bound flights from STN but are served by flights originating in the Far East and terminating at STN.

Other BA long haul freighter flights operate out of LHR and are effectively the equivalent of code share flights using other airlines' aircraft. There are just four destinations, DXB (with BR), ICN (with KE), NRT (with JL) and TPE (with BR).

Short haul all-freight flights are operated out of LHR on behalf of BA by European Air Charter (DHL) using A300F aircraft. There are flights to AMS, BRU, CDG, FCO, FRA, GOT, LEJ, MXP, OPO, PRG, STO and WAW. Some of these flights used to be operated by DHL 752Fs but I believe only A300s are now used. Many of the flights are at weekends because of slot constraints at LHR during the week although there are still quite of lot of late evening weekday flights.


User currently offlineEUROBUS From Spain, joined Nov 2004, 313 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2262 times:

Aren't I right in believing a great deal of IB cargo to Latin America is underneath us passengers??  innocent 


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User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 8741 posts, RR: 28
Reply 6, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2198 times:

Well, there is IBERIA CARGO, but they do not operate their own freighters and except for the DC8s which fly under Cygnus, no cargo a/c at all.

Besides that IB has been in the cargo market for decades, filling up the bellies and with the wide ranbge of destinations in South America, they are doing quite well.

The reason that they do not fly freighters could be the rather remote location in the south west of Europe. It is difficult to fill freighters with just what you can get from the home market. Feeder services by road take too long and are costly as well, justifiable only for niche routes like South America and with feeder services by air, you price yourself out of the market, IB has a couple of weekly DC8F flights to FRA, though.

VIT as a hub for integrators and other cargo and ZAZ which has automotive industry have freighter services.

Remains to be seen how the new Don Quijote Airport developes, intended as a dedicated cargo airport. No prospects for IB however, I could imagine.



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User currently offlineJMULAH From Spain, joined Nov 2007, 61 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2064 times:

I guess Don Quijote will relieve Barajas from a lot of cargo and LCC's.

User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 8741 posts, RR: 28
Reply 8, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 1989 times:

You could be right concerning the LCCs, but what cargo at MAD? The few all cargo ops at MAD can be hardly noticed.

Cargo on cargo aircraft in Spain happens in VIT and ZAT,

They need get an integrator to come to Don Quijote, without that it will be little business.



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