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Who Will Take 3rd Place, YUL Or YYC?  
User currently offlineThenoflyzone From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 2582 posts, RR: 11
Posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 5088 times:

So with 2007 at an end, it won't be long until we find out which airport will be in 3rd spot in terms of number of passengers.

Last year, YUL barely held the 3rd spot with 11.4 million pax, while YYC was just behind with 11.2 million.

This year, the folks at ADM are saying they will have handled 12.4 million, having passed the 12 million mark on December 18.

As for YYC, their news issue (dated December 21) says that they've also reached 12 million.

Anyone wanna start taking bets !!!

Thenoflyzone


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User currently offlineCaribb From Canada, joined Nov 1999, 1639 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 5076 times:

I thought it was already known that YYC is now in 3rd place. Perhaps it's not official yet. Good for them too and I might add YUL is still a growing airport with good strong numbers so both cities are actually doing well.

User currently offlineFlyyul From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4994 posts, RR: 51
Reply 2, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 5066 times:

Montreal has slightly edged Calgary in 2007, with 8% growth. But for 2008, YYC will surely pass YUL.

Before we make straight line comparison, please remember that YYC is an isolated city. They dont even have a VIA train station, nor do they have decent bus services.

All this to say that Calgary's transportation is much more dependent on air transport than Montreal.

Comparing Calgary and Montreal, is comparing apples and oranges.


User currently offlineCayMan From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 905 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 5048 times:

Anyone have any 2007 numbers for YYZ and YVR?

User currently offlineThenoflyzone From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 2582 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4986 times:



Quoting CayMan (Reply 3):
Anyone have any 2007 numbers for YYZ and YVR?

Well YVR is estimating 17.5 million pax.

http://www.yvr.ca/authority/facts/



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User currently offlineBO__einG From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 2771 posts, RR: 18
Reply 5, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4856 times:

Wow Yvr is pacing fast.
I remember a few years ago it was only like 14 million and I was pretty impressed then, but at that time Calgary was under 9 million so it really hit me.
Now that Calgary is in the 12+ million mark when I make visits to YVR, the increased numbers really dont overwhelm me that much. Still though I'd like to see YYC get to YVR's figures someday.

I think for this year YUL will still be ahead but the margin will be I am betting a difference of only 50-100,000.
Now that would be pretty tight, litteraly.
I think 2008 YYC will make that gigantic leap.

I also hope that the International scene will continue to impress with more new services, and cargo too..
Lufthansa and Mexicana are pretty optimistic that it will be a busy year.
Maybe KE or JAL will return again for summer charters which will make Cowtown a true major international gateway! (Even if its only for 2 months) Big grin



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User currently offlineTXKF2010 From Bermuda, joined Nov 2005, 208 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4719 times:

Anyone have numbers on YEG? They that keeps moving people (numbers) that'll be number 4 pretty soon.


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User currently offlineThenoflyzone From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 2582 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 4600 times:



Quoting TXKF2010 (Reply 6):
Anyone have numbers on YEG?

Well for the first 11 months of 2007, traffic has increased 16% compared to 2006. That will put it above 6 million passengers.

Thenoflyzone



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User currently offlineNoise From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1797 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 4547 times:



Quoting Thenoflyzone (Reply 7):
Well for the first 11 months of 2007, traffic has increased 16% compared to 2006. That will put it above 6 million passengers.

Thenoflyzone

That's amazing. How's the airport expansion plan going? It's only a matter of time before they start running out of room at that airport.


User currently offlineThreepoint From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 2162 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 4540 times:



Quoting Flyyul (Reply 2):
Before we make straight line comparison, please remember that YYC is an isolated city.....Comparing Calgary and Montreal, is comparing apples and oranges.

Agreed. And YUL is less exposed to cyclical booms and busts in their economy.

While YEG has held the recent title for greatest increases in passenger numbers in terms of percentages, watch for YXE or even YQR to leap forth in that regard.



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User currently offlineThenoflyzone From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 2582 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 4436 times:



Quoting Noise (Reply 8):
How's the airport expansion plan going?

http://corporate.edmontonairports.com/expansion_redevelopment



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User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16307 posts, RR: 56
Reply 11, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 4363 times:



Quoting Flyyul (Reply 2):
Before we make straight line comparison, please remember that YYC is an isolated city. They dont even have a VIA train station, nor do they have decent bus services.

All this to say that Calgary's transportation is much more dependent on air transport than Montreal.

Comparing Calgary and Montreal, is comparing apples and oranges.

Mark, every city has its own unique set of circumstances that make comparions "explainable". It does not make it an apples and oranges comparison. It's apples and apples.

The fact remains that the PRIMARY way the world measures airport size is by # of passengers handled. So, whatever your rationale or excuses, YYC will be a larger air market than YUL in 2008 and likely forever beyond. The cause is a mix of demographic and geographics factors, the primary one being the continued strong economy of YYC and the continued relative weakness and relative decline of YUL's economy,

Quoting Threepoint (Reply 9):
While YEG has held the recent title for greatest increases in passenger numbers in terms of percentages, watch for YXE or even YQR to leap forth in that regard.

YXE markets itself as the fastest growing airport in Canada. Arguably YTZ is for 2007 but who's counting. YXE is a mini-Calgary benefitting from high oil prices, but also strong uranium and other commodity prices. This combined with a new business friendly Sask govt will likely fuel growth. YQR is a smaller city than YXE and has slower growth. Hopefully WS will launch YYZ-YXE soon.



Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineThenoflyzone From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 2582 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 4327 times:



Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 11):
It's apples and apples.

No it's not. If you want to leave YYC, you have no choice but to fly out!

I know a handful of people who would avoid YUL and drive to YYZ or even BTV to take a flight out because it is cheaper!!

YUL looses a lot of passengers to BTV, YOW and YYZ.

Put YUL in the middle of nowhere (like YYC) and you will see doubled growth guaranteed.

Besides, YUL doesnt need to prove itself, it outpaced both YYZ and YVR in growth in 2006, and will do the same in 2007!

The # of passengers is irrelevant, its all about growth, and at that (in airports with more than 5 million pax in 2006), YEG was ahead (+15.5%), followed by YYC (+11.1%) and then YUL (+ 5.0%). The same scenario will happen in 2007, as we already know YUL will have around an 8% growth.



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User currently offlineThreepoint From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 2162 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 4320 times:



Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 11):
YYC will be a larger air market than YUL in 2008 and likely forever beyond.

YYC has seen a remarkable resurgence of late, but it will always be a boom & bust economy. The 'likely forever beyond' is a bold and undefendable prediction. At $100/barrel oil, it may take a while for YYC's economy to decline, but when it does, YUL will still be there to challenge or eclipse it in passenger numbers, movements, growth or whatever parameter of the day we choose to measure. Already, those of us in the west are seeing stagnation in the Alberta oil patch, a mass shift one province to the east in terms of investment & excitement and house prices being reduced after no offers emerge months after being listed in Calgary. YYC & YEG have done exceedingly well in the past few years. Nothing lasts forever.



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User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16307 posts, RR: 56
Reply 14, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 4301 times:



Quoting Thenoflyzone (Reply 12):
Besides, YUL doesnt need to prove itself, it outpaced both YYZ and YVR in growth in 2006, and will do the same in 2007!

From a low base, high % growths are easy, and largely irrelevant.

Quoting Thenoflyzone (Reply 12):
The # of passengers is irrelevant, its all about growth,

Then why start a thread about who's in 3rd place based on passenger count? If it's all about growth, we should be talking about YTZ which grew about 400% in 2007.

Quoting Threepoint (Reply 13):
YUL will still be there to challenge or eclipse it in passenger numbers, movements, growth or whatever parameter of the day we choose to measure.

No, not with Quebec's notorious distinction as having the highest taxes and lowest per capita income in North America which will limit growth, as we have seen for 40 years. Not to mention Quebec's racist anti-English Bill 101 which drives away business from Quebec. YUL will continue to languish.



Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineThreepoint From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 2162 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 4297 times:



Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 14):
No, not with Quebec's notorious distinction as having the highest taxes and lowest per capita income in North America which will limit growth, as we have seen for 40 years. Not to mention Quebec's racist anti-English Bill 101 which drives away business from Quebec. YUL will continue to languish.

Did we just rewind a couple decades? While the anglo-franco problems are far from solved, these assertions are outdated to the point of irrelevance. By the way, Bill 101 is a lot of negative things, but racist isn't among them. Race and language are mutually exclusive in this context.



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User currently offlineC172Akula From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 1007 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 4223 times:



Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 14):
a mass shift one province to the east in terms of investment & excitement and house prices being reduced after no offers emerge months after being listed in Calgary.

Those are just people that are still trying to list their homes/condos at last years prices(specifically the spring of '07) and think people are dumb enough to pay that much again(of course supply was ridiculously low then as well). My wife and I sold her condo a few weeks back and we priced for the market and had it sold in 6 days for $5000 over the asking price with 3 offers on the table.

Real estate stats can get skewed so many ways to show so many different scenarios it's not even worth bringing into the argument.

Exciting times for YYC & YEG, I have to disagree with the 'Boom & Bust' sentiment. We are living in an age where we will most likely see the 'Boom and check', nothing like the disaster of the early 80's. A little cooling off in the YYC market is actually gladly welcomed by the majority of us here, not everyone depends on oil and gas for their livings you know.


User currently offlineVonRichtofen From Canada, joined Nov 2000, 4629 posts, RR: 36
Reply 17, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 4200 times:



Quoting C172Akula (Reply 16):
Those are just people that are still trying to list their homes/condos at last years prices(specifically the spring of '07) and think people are dumb enough to pay that much again(of course supply was ridiculously low then as well). My wife and I sold her condo a few weeks back and we priced for the market and had it sold in 6 days for $5000 over the asking price with 3 offers on the table.

Real estate stats can get skewed so many ways to show so many different scenarios it's not even worth bringing into the argument.

Exciting times for YYC & YEG, I have to disagree with the 'Boom & Bust' sentiment. We are living in an age where we will most likely see the 'Boom and check', nothing like the disaster of the early 80's. A little cooling off in the YYC market is actually gladly welcomed by the majority of us here, not everyone depends on oil and gas for their livings you know.

Agree 100%. A slow down is welcome so we can catch up. Like you said, not everbody works in oil. This boom has probably cost me more than I've gained to be honest.



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User currently offlineThreepoint From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 2162 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 4198 times:



Quoting C172Akula (Reply 16):
Real estate stats can get skewed so many ways to show so many different scenarios it's not even worth bringing into the argument.

That was me who brought this to the debate, not Yyz717, to be fair. I check your comments about the market pricing of homes.

Quoting C172Akula (Reply 16):
Exciting times for YYC & YEG, I have to disagree with the 'Boom & Bust' sentiment. We are living in an age where we will most likely see the 'Boom and check', nothing like the disaster of the early 80's.

I like that term, boom and check. It more accurately describes what we will likely see in Alberta in years to come. There certainly is every opportunity for the economy to decline a little ways, though, instead of merely holding steady at no net expansion. It is during these 'check' times that we may still see airline service withdraw or the dreaded Montrealers regain their numbers over YYC. But I'm the first to admit that none of us know for sure at the moment.

Quoting C172Akula (Reply 16):
A little cooling off in the YYC market is actually gladly welcomed by the majority of us here, not everyone depends on oil and gas for their livings you know.

And we here in the BC interior welcome the cooling. Our real estate prices are artificially inflated and I hope they're in for a bursting decline. And I speak as a lakeside homeowner. I very much understand your economy is diversified beyond oil & gas, but it is and will remain the bread and butter economic driver for the foreseeable future.



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User currently offlineThenoflyzone From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 2582 posts, RR: 11
Reply 19, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks ago) and read 4165 times:



Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 14):
From a low base, high % growths are easy, and largely irrelevant.

12.4 million passengers isn't a low range. Numbers at YQR, YXE and YTZ are low range, hence why they shouldn't even be considered in terms of growth.



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User currently offlineThenoflyzone From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 2582 posts, RR: 11
Reply 20, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks ago) and read 4156 times:

Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 14):
YUL will continue to languish

Explain to me how going from 7.8 million passengers in 2002 to 12.4 million in 2008 is "languish". Please, i can't wait to hear your answer.....You already called us racist, so what could be worse...! And please, spare me the post 9/11 bullshit, Traffic in YUL in 2002 dipped only by 300,000 passengers annually compared to 2001.

[Edited 2008-01-05 11:16:10]


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User currently offlineFlyb From Canada, joined Aug 2006, 692 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 4109 times:

Considering the outlook in the long term is good for YYC and for that matter the folks up at YEG other industries are coming along side to support the new flow up people entering the cities. Thus there are other industries diversifying the economies in Alberta...thus making it not as dependant on Oil ( like in the 80's).

It is pretty amazing that both airports are at the passenger numbers they are at now. I mean who would think that we would see 1 million plus growth year over year


User currently offlineThreepoint From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 2162 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4068 times:



Quoting Thenoflyzone (Reply 20):
Please, i can't wait to hear your answer.....

Bonne chance. I wondered the same thing. Others (myself included) have tried reasonable debate with this person with little success. Expect an uncharacteristic silence.



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User currently offlineYulguy From Canada, joined Feb 2004, 246 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4057 times:



Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 14):
No, not with Quebec's notorious distinction as having the highest taxes and lowest per capita income in North America which will limit growth, as we have seen for 40 years. Not to mention Quebec's racist anti-English Bill 101 which drives away business from Quebec. YUL will continue to languish.

And he's off again on his little anti-Quebec tyrade. Ho hum. If it were not for Bill 101, we would have left the federation a long time ago. It's more of a cultural affirmation than an anti-English one (we don't want what happened to Gaelic in Ireland to happen to French in Canada, do we?), ....but I digress.

Yes, I agree that Calgary's booming economy has a role in its growth and Montreal's slower economic growth will have a smaller impact. By the way, it's slower growth, not decline.

Flyyul's right though, geography plays a huge role. And let's not forget cultural ties. Inter-provincial flights are more important for Calgarians then they are for most Quebecers; most of us simply don't have family ties in other provinces. The cities of Montreal, Quebec City and Ottawa-Gatineau are all within driving distance.

Geography is a HUGE determining factor. Look at YXU and YHZ. London is actually a bigger city than Halifax, but its airport is miniscule in comparison to YHZ. It's not because YHZ has a stronger economy that its airport is busier; it's the city's relative isolation. London's conveniently located less than two hours by car to both YYZ and DET.

Like comparing apples and oranges or apples and apples...both are correct. But it's important to take into consideration at least four things: the city's size, geography, cultural links and economy. Calgary beats out Montreal in all these factors except size. But puh-lease Yyz717, we're not exactly destitute here in Montreal.



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User currently offlineThreepoint From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 2162 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4026 times:

Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 14):
Quebec's notorious distinction as having the highest taxes and lowest per capita income in North America

The problem when one makes up facts is that one's credibility tends to diminish to zero.

Here's a table showing Quebec per capita incomes higher than in many provinces (read Tables 5.2 and 5.4). The tables are en francais. The list is current and includes projections.
http://www.stat.gouv.qc.ca/donstat/e...innc/conjn_econm/TSC/pdf/chap5.pdf



Here's a table of the latest list (1999) I could find that includes all states & provinces, adjusted into US dollars to permit a direct comparison. Scroll down to Table 1.
Note Quebec ranks #47 out of 60. The 3 Canadian territories are not included, but one of those (Nunavut) also lags behind Quebec in per capita income.

Source: http://www.arts.yorku.ca/econ/lagerloef/HP/pap28sept.pdf

Table 1: List of states/provinces and per-capita incomes

State or Per-capita GSP or State or Per-capita GSP or
province or GPP (US$), 1999 province or GPP (US$), 1999


1 Connecticut CT Hartford 46,245
2 Delaware DE Dover 46,008
3 Alaska AK Juneau 42,539
4 Massachusetts MA Boston 42,519
5 New York NY Albany 41,469
6 New Jersey NJ Trenton 40,713
7 Nevada NV Carson City 38,615
8 Colorado CO Denver 37,900
9 California CA Sacramento 37,082
10 New Hampshire NH Concord 36,823
11 Illinois IL Springfield 36,746
12 Wyoming WY Cheyenne 36,380
13 Washington WA Olympia 36,352
14 Minnesota MN Saint Paul 36,223
15 Georgia GA Atlanta 35,402
16 Virginia VA Richmond 35,243
17 Alberta AB Edmonton 34,540
18 Hawaii HI Honolulu 34,512
19 Texas TX Austin 34,288
20 North Carolina NC Raleigh 33,799
21 Maryland MD Annapolis 33,782
22 Oregon OR Salem 33,079
23 Rhode Island RI Providence 32,848
24 Ontario ON Toronto 32,373
25 Nebraska NE Lincoln 32,259
26 Ohio OH Columbus 32,157
27 Pennsylvania PA Harrisburg 31,931
28 Wisconsin WI Madison 31,708
29 Michigan MI Lansing 31,257
30 Missouri MO Jefferson City 31,174
32 Indiana IN Indianapolis 30,659
31 Tennessee TN Nashville 31,017
33 Kansas KS Topeka 30,460
34 Arizona AZ Phoenix 30,070
35 Iowa IA Des Moines 29,707
36 South Dakota SD Pierre 29,50
37 Louisiana LA Baton Rouge 29,496
38 Utah UT Salt Lake City 29,411
39 New Mexico NM Santa Fe 29,328
40 Florida FL Tallahassee 29,309
41 Vermont VT Montpelier 28,908
42 Kentucky KY Frankfort 28,665
43 South Carolina SC Columbia 27,515
44 Maine ME Augusta 27,185
45 Idaho ID Boise 27,183
46 North Dakota ND Bismarck 26,814
47 Quebec QC Quebec City 26,432
48 Alabama AL Montgomery 26,333
49 Saskatchewan SK Regina 26,094
50 British Columbia BC Victoria 26,086
51 Oklahoma OK Oklahoma City 25,724
52 Arkansas AR Little Rock 25,388
53 Manitoba MB Winnipeg 25,328
54 Montana MT Helena 23,376
55 Mississippi MS Jackson 23,220
56 West Virginia WV Charleston 22,516
57 Nova Scotia NS Halifax 22,336
58 New Brunswick NB Fredericton 22,187
59 Newfoundland NL St. John's 21,008
60 Prince Edward Island PE Charlottetown 20,545

[Edited 2008-01-05 15:02:04]


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25 Yyz717 : 1999? Hardly relevant. I saw a recent chart whereby Quebec had dropped to 56 of 60 around 2004 or 2005. Either way, their poor PCI performance is abs
26 Threepoint : So now Quebec lags most of Canada and virtually all of the US in ...PCI. But you said Quebec was the lowest. Which is it? This is why I illustrate th
27 SLCUT2777 : Both YYC not to mention YEG are considerably removed from the U.S. border and a sizeable U.S. airport (SLC being the closest sizable airport south of
28 Flyb : SEA is actually closer by an hour or two to put things in prospective, so yes very far from US and other major Canadian cities.
29 Flyyul : This is such a stupid debate. Do people compare the market dynamics of Boston vs Las Vegas? They are two different markets, and simply not comparables
30 SLCUT2777 : My rationale was the time zone change since SEA is on YVR time. But the perspective is very right, that most major airports in the mountain time zone
31 Yulguy : You're right; I meant DTW. My point was exactly that: YXU is not as busy as YHZ, despite London, ON being slightly bigger than Halifax and having a g
32 Threepoint : Mais pourquoi? It must be fun, sitting in a Toronto apartment grasping at fewer straws as Air Canada continues to perform well and Robert Milton left
33 Post contains images SLCUT2777 : I can only make hypothetical assumptions as to the flight and passenger load types: Trans-border: I would say YYC has the advantage since they are so
34 Yyz717 : Then don't participate Mark. You've spend alot of time on anet comparing YUL to other cities. Suddenly when the comparison is less than flattering (a
35 Post contains links Threepoint : Certainly. See replies 9, 13, 15, 24 & 26. Oh, and this one. Relatively provincial? Surely you jest. Calgary is the fourth most populous city in the
36 EddieDude : So is it official that MX will operate regularly scheduled flights to YYC in 2008?
37 Yyz717 : Compared to YUL. For a city of 3M, and a catchment area of 6-7M, YUL significantly underperforms all other North American cities of comparable size.
38 Post contains images FLYYUL : Neil, I agree that Montreal underperforms. However, your using your famous Quebec bias to justify. There are a combination of geographic, sociopolitic
39 Post contains links and images AuroraLives : " target=_blank>http://www12.statcan.ca/english/cens...3&O=D Well, at the risk of going way off topic, Stats Can also has Calgary as 5th place (I jus
40 Superdawg : Going back to the question at hand, YUL will definitely take 3rd this year as they have had a larger percentage growth then YYC, in fact YYC's growth
41 Thenoflyzone : Yes, begins in June. has been official since December 11. 4 flights a week using A319 equipment.
42 Post contains links Viscount724 : Poor business environment? Quebec has among the lowest corporate taxes in Canada. For large companies, the provincial income tax rate is slightly ove
43 Threepoint : Viscount724, your facts and reason are lost among those who choose to make ill-informed statements in spite of overwhelming evidence to the contrary
44 N1120A : YYZ blows everyone out of the water. Except that they have among the lowest business taxes, which attracts investment. I think he does. I wouldn't be
45 Post contains links Thenoflyzone : well, in terms of aircraft movement, the preliminary report is out. Based on Transport Canada, Here is a list of the top canadian airports in terms of
46 Threepoint : I'm very surprised that the gap between YYZ and everybody else isn't much larger. Where? Are these misprints? Maybe #6 is supposed to be YLW (Kelowna
47 Yyz717 : Keep in mind these include general aviation movements. YYZ has very little of these.
48 Threepoint : Yes, I understand that. Hence Buttonville, Abbotsford, Boundary Bay and other airports with little or no scheduled service continually placing high i
49 Pnwtraveler : YVR has a reasonable amount of civil aviation movements. They also are one of the few with some seaplane movements too. YYZ has business aircraft but
50 Threepoint : YVR has a LOT of GA movements. If you subtract the flight training movements from the three airports I mentioned in reply #48, you'd have little to c
51 Thenoflyzone : YDT is Boundary Bay. the IATA code for CZBB is not ZBB, but YDT. You have to tally up the monthly numbers to get the annuals. Thenoflyzone
52 Thenoflyzone : YBW is Calgary/Springbank airport. for YDT, read above. Thenoflyzone
53 Threepoint : No wonder. I"m IATA-illiterate, despite having worked out of (ahem) CZBB for years. You're absolutely right. Not sure how I forgot that one. Thanks.
54 Post contains images Thenoflyzone : What's surprising is YEG's relatively low yearly increase compared to the booming passenger numbers, and this not just this year, but the last as well
55 Threepoint : BIngo. The single YEG-LHR flight accounted for last year's enormous percentage increase in international passengers almost by itself.
56 AA767LOVER : Who would have ever thought that such a debate would generate. I would imagine YUL above all. Sorry Calgary, though I am a native-born son of Calgary,
57 YVR1968 : The whole hype surrounding the LH addition to YYC is important, but when you compare the 2008 capacity to FRA compared to 2007, don't forget AC is dow
58 Threepoint : As has been written much earlier in the thread, Montreal will retain much greater international service than Calgary for a number of reasons. There w
59 Thenoflyzone : I think that with BA, Mexicana and LH, that's all were going to see "new" out of YYC for quite a while!! I don't see any other European or Asian airli
60 Post contains images Thenoflyzone : I honestly think that before AZ, SU or OS fly to Calgary, they will all return to YUL first !! Thenoflyzone
61 Viscount724 : The days of those kind of one-stop services are over. And the costs of operating sectors like YVR-YYC or YYC-YYZ/YUL where half or more of the seats
62 Evolv : Here is what i think could happen for YYC AF to Paris - they want the oil traffic, Total is AF largest customer and they are in Calgary with MAJOR gro
63 Threepoint : Bilaterals needed first. HAD major growth plans. Shifting their gaze to the east a little bit and plans tending to be pared down. Walk before they ru
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