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SAS To Get The 787?  
User currently offlineAbba From Denmark, joined Jun 2005, 1341 posts, RR: 2
Posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 12113 times:

In an article on SAS' plans to reduce their CO2 emissions there is the following statement (article in Danish - my translation):

"For SAS it is possible to improve their environmental impact significantly around 2014. At that time a completely new generation of airplanes will be ready, and then SAS will spend several millions to renew their present gas thirsty fleet with the new planes, that among other things are build with highly efficient engines and by lightweight carbon fibers."

What exactly is meant by "ready" in this stamens is difficult to say. However, the 350 seems to be ready only by 2015 and possibly having no slots available before a few years later. Therefore it seems to be an indication of a imminent 787 order as no other plane by then will have the qualities quoted - or?

Link to article: http://www.dr.dk/Nyheder/Penge/2008/01/04/074614.htm

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User currently offlineLN-KGL From Norway, joined Sep 1999, 1039 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 12056 times:

Airbus still states the A350 will be available from 2013, but then you never know with SAS  Yeah sure

User currently offlineAsiaflyer From Singapore, joined May 2007, 1136 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 11993 times:

As SK only has 11 WBs in their fleet, I think they are more thinking about their NB fleet, and especially their gas thirsty MD80s, when they are talking about reducing emissions from their fleet.


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User currently offlineBrianDromey From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 3920 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 11961 times:



Quoting Abba (Thread starter):
SAS will spend several millions to renew their present gas thirsty fleet

I'd have thought they were talking about their MD-80 fleet, and to a lesser extent their 737 classics as well. There is an announcement due on that fleet shortly, although if they order today 2014 seems a little far out to take delivery, and no new narrowbody currently envisioned will be ready by then.

The 330 and 340s are pretty new...but SAS are probably getting a bit anxious that they have yet to order both the A350 and 787 ;-D

Brian.



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User currently offlineAbba From Denmark, joined Jun 2005, 1341 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 11955 times:

Problem being, though, that the article specifically mentions aircrafts that are build by carbon fibers and have new and much more efficient engines - that doesn't really indicates NBs. It does rather indicate new WBs - either 787s or (perhaps 350s) as the new generation NBs will not be ready by then.

User currently offlineBjornstrom From Australia, joined Jun 2005, 329 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 11915 times:

I wouldn't mind trading the A330's and A340's for a common fleet of 787's. Maybe even 787-3's for CPH-LHR and other high-volume routes?


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User currently offlineKLMD11L From New Zealand, joined Dec 2007, 123 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 11835 times:



Quoting Abba (Thread starter):
and then SAS will spend several millions to renew their present gas thirsty fleet with the new planes

Are you sure it's not BILLIONS?!!  wave 

I always wondered how come the national airline of three wealthy Scandinavian nations has only 11 widebodies in their fleet?!! and nothing on their order list!



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User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3388 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 11808 times:



Quoting KLMD11L (Reply 6):
I always wondered how come the national airline of three wealthy Scandinavian nations has only 11 widebodies in their fleet?!! and nothing on their order list!

1. SAS' economy is not the best
2. The population in Scandinavian countries are rather low
3. SAS is looking for a 12th WB (an 8th 343) for their fleet


User currently offlineLauda 777 From Sweden, joined May 1999, 501 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 11752 times:

My thoughts are that SK should have kept the 767:s for another while.. They weren't that old really.

A SK fleet of just 737 and 787 had been rather nice.. I wished they had gone with the 739 instead of those A321's.. As for now (and has been for a long time) the SK fleet is like a museum for displaying various kinds of Airliners..  

I wouldn't be surprised if SK bought a couple of 787 to have beside the WB Airbus fleet..

[Edited 2008-01-04 01:38:28]


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User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17066 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 11654 times:

Wow, it would be really amazing if SAS order the 787. Would love to see some of them here in ARN.

Quoting Someone83 (Reply 7):
3. SAS is looking for a 12th WB (an 8th 343) for their fleet

And hopefully that A343 will be used on a ARN to NRT service.



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User currently offlineSKAirbus From Norway, joined Oct 2007, 1738 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 11572 times:



Quoting Lauda 777 (Reply 8):
A SK fleet of just 737 and 787 had been rather nice.. I wished they had gone with the 739 instead of those A321's.. As for now (and has been for a long time) the SK fleet is like a museum for displaying various kinds of Airliners..

Well If you think about it SAS's fleet it more streamlined now since the company was split up... SAS International is an all Airbus fleet, SAS Denmark is Airbus and MD80s (until a DH8 replacement is confirmed), SAS Sweden is 737NG and MD80s (until a DH8 replacement is confirmed) and SAS Norway is all 737... classics and 737NGs...

But i would say that SAS will go for Airbus aircraft... They like their performance and also their passenger comfort is superior to that of the 737... Im guessing the MD80 will be replaced by a mixture of A319s, A320s and A321s... But the classic 737 fleet in Norway will probably be replaced by 737NGs for fleet commonality..



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User currently offlineSAS-A321 From Denmark, joined Mar 2002, 401 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 11496 times:



Quoting Someone83 (Reply 7):
1. SAS' economy is not the best

I find SAS' longhaul economy class better than KLM and Lufthansa.


The most logical thing would be to replace the MD80s in Sweden with 737NG and A320s in Denmark.

I don't think that SAS is thinking about replacing the WB fleet with 787. If they do it would be just as studpid as when they got rid of the 767.



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User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3388 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 11470 times:



Quoting SAS-A321 (Reply 11):
I find SAS' longhaul economy class better than KLM and Lufthansa.

I'm not talking about the class, but their financial status

Quoting B747forever (Reply 9):
And hopefully that A343 will be used on a ARN to NRT service.

SAS would need another slot at NRT to open that route and the new aircraft that's planned will be used to open CPH-SFO and DEL


User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 13, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 11351 times:

2014 is about the timeframe when Boeing are hoping to have the 737RS flying. The timing will depend primarily upon when suitable engines will be ready.

User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17066 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 11261 times:



Quoting Someone83 (Reply 12):
the new aircraft that's planned will be used to open CPH-SFO and DEL

Opps, forgot that routes. You are right, the new a/c will be used to SFO/DEL.



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User currently offlineSKAirbus From Norway, joined Oct 2007, 1738 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 10951 times:



Quoting Someone83 (Reply 12):
I'm not talking about the class, but their financial status

Ah of course a direct translation from "økonomi"  Smile.. Damn Scandinavian languages..

But yes very true and since the Q400 incidents their financial problems have just worsened...



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User currently offlineAtmx2000 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4576 posts, RR: 37
Reply 16, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 9856 times:

While a 788 probably makes sense for SAS, I suspect they will choose something bigger for some other reason.


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User currently offlineOyKIE From Norway, joined Jan 2006, 2751 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 9643 times:



Quoting Abba (Reply 4):
Problem being, though, that the article specifically mentions aircrafts that are build by carbon fibers and have new and much more efficient engines

It could also be that SAS will launch the C-series. Yes I know that is not very likely, but stranger things have happened. I SAS might be better of replacing the MD-80 with C-series, and the Q400 with Next Gen CRJ700 and CRJ900.



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User currently offlineChristiaan From United States of America, joined May 2004, 76 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 8708 times:

One of the problems is that SAS has been experiencing extra maintenance to the WB fleet do to corrosion. They are not happy with the performance they are getting from the 330/340 and have been thinking about the 787 for a while. They were upset when they took first delivery of the 330/340 saying they had wished they chose the 777.


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User currently offlineOyKIE From Norway, joined Jan 2006, 2751 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 8662 times:



Quoting Christiaan (Reply 18):
They were upset when they took first delivery of the 330/340 saying they had wished they chose the 777.

Do you have a source for this. It would have been very interesting to see if they have said anything like that. I know that some inside SAS has been wishing this, but I haven't heard anything official



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User currently offlineBrisseDK From Denmark, joined Nov 2007, 383 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 8520 times:



Quoting KLMD11L (Reply 6):
I always wondered how come the national airline of three wealthy Scandinavian nations has only 11 widebodies in their fleet?!! and nothing on their order list!

Answer: Lack of strategy!

Quoting Someone83 (Reply 7):
2. The population in Scandinavian countries are rather low

Geography is a way bigger factor than the size of the population. FYI the population of Qatar is only 700,000.

Quoting Lauda 777 (Reply 8):
My thoughts are that SK should have kept the 767:s for another while.. They weren't that old really.

Well, consider this:

  • It was way too small for CPH-NRT, thus SK missing out on a lot of business. Even the A343 deployed today is too small.
  • It didn't perform well on CPH-BKK leaving PAX and Luggage behind on a daily basis because of the heat.
  • They were old, worn and seriously needed an interior update - and this was in 1996!!! To be up-to-date today would mean 2 complete overhauls in less than 10 years. Not feasible!
  • Cargo is important for SK on longhauls, and the 767 was never the perfect fit for that operation.

Only perfect fit was the thin longhauls like OSL-EWR, but not really worth keeping a small, expensive sub-fleet just for that.

Quoting B747forever (Reply 9):
would be really amazing if SAS order the 787



Quoting Atmx2000 (Reply 16):
While a 788 probably makes sense for SAS, I suspect they will choose something bigger for some other reason.

787-8 would be perfect for most of SKs routes, but CPH-NRT needs a bigger bird until more slots are available for SK.

Quoting Christiaan (Reply 18):
One of the problems is that SAS has been experiencing extra maintenance to the WB fleet do to corrosion.

Incorrect!

Quoting Christiaan (Reply 18):
They are not happy with the performance they are getting from the 330/340

Incorrect!

Quoting Christiaan (Reply 18):
have been thinking about the 787 for a while.

True!

Quoting Christiaan (Reply 18):
They were upset when they took first delivery of the 330/340 saying they had wished they chose the 777.

Completely false!

Regards,
BJ



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User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31001 posts, RR: 86
Reply 21, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 8430 times:
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Quoting BrisseDK (Reply 20):
787-8 would be perfect for most of SKs routes, but CPH-NRT needs a bigger bird until more slots are available for SK.

Lucky for them Boeing also sells a 787-9, no? Big grin

I'd think SK would consider the A350 considering their current Airbus widebody (and now narrowbody) investment, but if they are doing a total re-do (over time), then...


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 22, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 8397 times:



Quoting LN-KGL (Reply 1):
Airbus still states the A350 will be available from 2013, but then you never know with SAS Yeah sure

..I would probably say 2014 is when planes will be available, also, one must take into consideration the number of slots already filled by customers.....it could be they can't get any A350s until 2015-2016 at the earliest



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User currently offlineBrisseDK From Denmark, joined Nov 2007, 383 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 8049 times:



Quoting Stitch (Reply 21):
Lucky for them Boeing also sells a 787-9, no?

Lucky indeed  Smile

Quoting Stitch (Reply 21):
I'd think SK would consider the A350 considering their current Airbus widebody (and now narrowbody) investment, but if they are doing a total re-do (over time), then...

SK would have absolutely no problem changing WB supplier. They have done so in the past, several times actually. Also considering that A350 is kinda B777 replacement, and 787 is more of A330/A340/B767 replacement, then...

Regards,
BJ



Frequent flyer based in CPH - mostly heading to: OSL, HEL, KEF, FAE and EWR
User currently offlineSKAirbus From Norway, joined Oct 2007, 1738 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 7897 times:



Quoting BrisseDK (Reply 23):
SK would have absolutely no problem changing WB supplier. They have done so in the past, several times actually. Also considering that A350 is kinda B777 replacement, and 787 is more of A330/A340/B767 replacement, then...

The 787 is more of a A330-200/767 replacement.. neither of which are in the SAS fleet.... the A350 would be perfect to replace the A330-300/A340-300 fleet in time but remember their WB fleet is still young... But let's see... The problem with SAS is that the company involves 3 nations and this can cause problems.. Sometimes i wish the airline would properly split into three seperate countries, creating a national airline for each country instead of these "sub divisions" that exist now..



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25 Post contains images BrisseDK : Yes, the 787-8 is. But the 787-9 is slightly bigger and weighs in perfectly as A333/A343 replacement. No, the A350 holds significantly more seats and
26 Stitch : The 787 scales down towards the 767/A332 and the A350 scales towards the A340/777, but both models could cover all four families in a pinch - the 787-
27 YYZatcboy : if it is a narrow body replacement, why not the C-Series. I'd imagine they could be getting a discount because of the Q400 fiasco. Is there a chance o
28 Scalebuilder : What you say is very true, but would you not agree that the current strategy (or lack thereof) is centered way too much around an ownership structure
29 BAW716 : What you say is exactly the problem with SAS--the nationalistic attitudes of the three Scandinavian countries who own the airline...they can't agree
30 Post contains images KLMD11L : The combined population of Denmark, Norway and Sweden = The population of Australia!
31 Post contains images BrisseDK : I think a lot has to do with SKs history, and cleaning up takes a lot of effort and b@lls from the management and a lot of concessions from the emplo
32 SKAirbus : With regards to ARN being used more and more as a longhaul hub... I think the Swedish government have something to do with it.. SAS has a problem mana
33 BrisseDK : Based on what? I think all the ARN routes are actually based on local customer demand. The traffic numbers supports the routes, and both PEK and BKK
34 PavlovsDog : Personally I'd like to see SK and Icelandair merge. Keflavik is ideally placed as a transatlantic hub and has plenty of room to grow. Since so many pa
35 Post contains images LN-KGL : In an ideal world the hub configuration for SAS IC division would have been to split the traffic between ARN og OSL - ARN to handle all eastbound flig
36 SKAirbus : Oslo as a hub? That would never work... it is better in the case of SAS to have one focus hub for long haul traffic.. not three.. It works for Lufthan
37 SAS330GOT : Biggest problem is that many, not to say most, of the really brilliant people in sweden that would be able to do something good with SK wouldn't touc
38 Post contains images BrisseDK : An interesting idea with an Icelandic scissor-hub operation @KEF. Only downside is, that the local O/D isn't impressive. Following that "logic" shoul
39 Post contains images LN-KGL : SKAirbus, didn't you get it - I see only two hubs, ARN and OSL. No hub at CPH because it's furthest away from the long haul destinations. With this de
40 PavlovsDog : I think the ARN-OSL dual hub idea has a lot of merit. I've proposed somethng similar myself previously in another thread. Taking that idea one step fu
41 LN-KGL : To obtain the least possible distance flown and considering that half the population of Norway have OSL as their primary/closest airport to choose BG
42 LN-KGL : Great idea with KEF PavlosDog, but talking strongly against it will be the aircraft change at KEF in the middle of the night on eastbound flight. Thi
43 Post contains images LHboyatDTW : one word: demographics Where's the logic behind that? Is it really that difficult for people living in Southern Sweden to cross the Oresund bridge in
44 BrisseDK : Exactly! Again, following your own logic, why shouldn't the hub be placed in the most populous region of Scandinavia then? Why force all Danes and a
45 Scalebuilder : This may be true, but what other choice did SAS really have in the 80's? Their DC-10s were pushing service limits, and the 777 did not become availab
46 RayChuang : I think SAS would likely want the A350-800/900 model to eventually replace the A340-300's now in SK's fleet. The A350 easily has the range to fly all
47 Scalebuilder : And I completely agree that this will become the very likely LH replacement option for SAS. I believe the A350 will be the choice of SAS too. Let's h
48 Post contains images Hightower : SK needs an a330-200 and a USA route to shut them up.
49 SKAirbus : Scandinavia may have a lot of money but the populations are almost all middle class... The class scale isn't as wide as in the US or the UK for examp
50 LN-KGL : No Hightower, SAS IC don't need an A332 ! SAS IC need to focus on their passengers and to get them from A to B in the shortest possible time and usin
51 SKAirbus : Would an OSL hub be profitable.. I doubt it very much! SAS can't even make an OSL-EWR route to work
52 Post contains images Doona : Thing is, of the 18 million people in the Scandinavian countries, around 2 million of them live in Copenhagen and Malmo, and an additional 1.5 millio
53 SKAirbus : Exactly... having Copenhagen as the main hub would mean less feeder flights altogether.. if OSL were the main hub the number of feeder flights needed
54 LN-KGL : ... but still situated in the outskirts of Scandinavia
55 SKAirbus : Well kind of i guess BUT that isn't important... what is important is the economics of the whole thing... Copenhagen makes more economic sense as it
56 Post contains images Doona : So? Alice Springs is not the main long-haul hub of QF just because it's in the middle of OZ. Most airlines won't set up a long-haul hub away from the
57 Abba : .. which is where most of the Scandinavian people live. Within a two hour train ride - with direct connection to CPH - or car ride we are talking abo
58 LHboyatDTW : so true yet as mentioned before, CPH is located near the largest population cache in Scandinavia. The whole concept you seem to daydream of for OSL w
59 Post contains images LN-KGL : Before you continue, take a look at this illustration. Have you now seen all four flicks? Do you now understand why I suggested a dual ARN/OSL hub spl
60 CEO@AFG : I love these daydreams, but I hardly see a reasonable way where SK can opt out of the current hub setup. Even though the westbound US longhaul routes
61 LN-KGL : Most of what you say I agree with HÃ¥kon, but my "daydream" I already indicated in reply 35 to be beyond 2012 due to the capacity problems at OSL. N
62 Someone83 : This is a stupid idea and bullshit. No offence.... First of all don't you take into consideration the fuel used on climb. And more important, you for
63 Post contains links LN-KGL : Considered and taken into account in the exercise. That is also why I don't refer to an exact percentage number in savings due to diversity of their
64 Doona : Wrong. Sure, ARN is the natural hub for people living in northern and central Sweden, but with the bridge over the sound, as well as air links betwee
65 Andaman : AY opening TOS and/or TRD? I have only heard Norwegian would feed AY's routes, as AY now own a slice of Norwegian.
66 LN-KGL : Sure Mats, it is indeed unpractical to travel northward to ARN to get out in Europe considered you only need to take the train over the Öresund br
67 SKAirbus : LN-KGL... just think of all the fuel and resources needed to operated even more flights from CPH to OSL... That would far outweigh its chances of bein
68 Doona : I don't really care if I'd save 15 minutes on landing at ARN, but I don't think I would. CPH is my main airport, as MMX is pretty shitty, service and
69 SKAirbus : Exactly! The plane flies direct ... if you go to ARN you will have to transfer and maybe wait an hour or two.. It is ridiculous.. I think you are dre
70 Post contains links and images Hightower : Yes it is. Your ideas and maps reminds me of "kallax cargo". Just ask the swedes how that went... FYI: http://www.kallaxcargo.com/
71 Abba : A major problem for your idea is that Norwegians are so very rare indeed. And so thinly spread over this long country.
72 AF022 : How many aircraft would be needed to serve both SFO and DEL? Three, I would think, no?
73 SKAirbus : It depends on the frequencies surely?
74 Doona : AFAIK, SK is only looking for one, so SFO and DEL will not be served daily. Cheers Mats
75 Post contains images SAS330GOT : Yeah, I should've written Scandinavia. I think same goes for Danish and Norweigan brilliance.. Yeah, they do charter. But I wouldn't think of them as
76 Someone83 : Or could it be that OSL is the biggest market where CO is the only one with a non-stop flight. Remember at ARN and CPH they have alot more competitio
77 AF022 : Are they looking to link these two markets, or are they targeting different markets for DEL? They seem to be a little behind the curve. I think AY is
78 LN-KGL : Only a bit more rare than the Danes (5.4 mill Danes and 4.6 mill Norwegians), but you Swedes have a population of almost us two combined (9.0 mill).
79 SAS-A321 : You cannot compare the hubs with domestic traffic. Denmark is such a small country compared to Norway and Sweden. Denmark is a flat country and we ha
80 Sukhoi : Already there are a lot of southern Swedes and Danes connecting with the new SK flights to BKK and PEK from ARN. People go where the price is right an
81 Post contains images SpeedyGonzales : I see two intercontinental hubs for SAS in the future, Frankfurt and München
82 SKAirbus : hehe... oh yes DSB is great.. especially when travelling between København H and Helsingør... it's sometimes quicker to take the train to Skage
83 Abba : Well - then compare the area north of the balance point with the area south of it... True - there are not so many more Danes than Norwegians. However
84 CEO@AFG : Andaman you're absolutely correct, I mixed the two SK routes from ARN to TRD and TOS. I've seen AY in TOS during the summer however, and have the dis
85 Someone83 : This is only a loose rumour AFAIK, And I strongly doubt we will se Thai
86 Scalebuilder : Hmm...I flew SAS from CPH to NRT, but granted, it was about 10 months ago. There were for sure no flat beds in business class on that flight. But why
87 Doona : Why? Because of low income disparaties, and it's a cultural thing. The community will sometimes react negatively if someone goes off flaunting their
88 Andaman : True, must be the Lutheran-Protestant culture in the whole Nordic area - don't show your money. Though it seems the younger generation things a bit d
89 Someone83 : They don't have flat-bads, but lay-flat :p i.e. the bed has an angle of 170 degrees As mentioned by other, it's not the ability to pay, but the willi
90 SAS330GOT : SK call their business product Flat-bed but it's not comparable to the ones that f.ex EK or SQ offers but it's absolutely on par with the business pr
91 Abba : How is it: The sole owner of IKEA always flys on Y and the major shareholder and former CEO of Maersk Line drives a small VW?
92 AF022 : Do they have a planned schedule for DEL?
93 Doona : Well, Kamprad does have a big-ass mansion in Switzerland, but he drives an old brown Volvo 240 stationwagon. But yeah, he's a stingy old bastard, app
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