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SFO Melting Down At 7AM-winds  
User currently offlineSeattle Ops From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 202 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 10986 times:

SFO weather is atrocious and is basically shutting down departures, gonna be a really ugly day. VERY interesting listening on live ATC.

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User currently offlineTb727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1586 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 10936 times:

Man that sucks. Nothing fun about 50kt winds.

LOL +/-20kts it's getting worse gusting to 55 and one of the UAL crews was just laughing, must be a fun ride!

[Edited 2008-01-04 07:35:24]


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User currently offlineSeattle Ops From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 202 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 10801 times:

Now microburst of 35 kts and windshear of +- 25kts, tower had to suggest a flight go around.

KSFO 041528Z 17042G57KT 2SM BR FEW020 BKN029 OVC060 14/13 A2947 RMK AO2 PK WND 16057/1528 VIS 1 1/2V3 RAE19 P0009

gust to 57!


User currently offlineMcdu From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 1459 posts, RR: 17
Reply 3, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 10772 times:

Thanks for the heads up. Was just packing for my trip this afternoon and started listening to liveatc.net. The interesting thing is I heard two SKYW aircraft on final when the tower issued a microburst alert. My carrier and pretty much every carrier I have known of requires a missed approach in the event of a microburst alert being issued by the tower. This alert was for a MB on the runway of +/-30KTS. The windshear alert system had been active prior to this and most carriers are allowed to utilize guidance and continue for a WS Alert but a MB always requires an immediate GoAround. In this case SKYW aircraft both said nothing when issued the MB Alert. It was only after the tower suggested a GA that they did execute the GA. There was some a comment by one of the airplanes to the tower of "good call tower" and another guy on the ground said "not sure what your book says but our says GO AROUND".

Do not want to get into the debate over qualifications but I know SKYW has some very low time pilots. The simulator is a great tool but you have to be able to digest the information and make the safest decisions. A MB is nothing to scoff at in any type of transport category aircraft. I would not have a concern but this involved two SKYW aircraft on final at the same time.


User currently offlineSeattle Ops From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 202 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 10738 times:

The guy in the tower really did a fantastic job. Yes, MCDU, that is the incident I was referring to, this has been incredibly interesting.

User currently offlineSlimShady From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 196 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 10698 times:

No Kidding, working at SFO, I have a long walk from the parking lot to the office. My umbrella broke due to the winds, and I am soaked. Supposedly, it is going to get worse. Hope those who are traveling stay safe.

User currently offlineSwiftski From Australia, joined Dec 2006, 2701 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 10642 times:

Baggage truck blew onto 10R about 3 mins ago


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User currently offlinePhilSquares From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 10582 times:

Should be an interesting day in the Bay area and surrounding locale!

KSFO 041559Z 17046G57KT 1 3/4SM +RA BR SCT019 BKN029 OVC040 15/13 A2947 RMK AO2 PK WND 16057/1558 P0000

KSFO 041603Z 041612 16032G45KT 5SM RA BKN030 OVC050
TEMPO 1619 17045G60KT 1SM +RA BR BKN015
FM1900 20025G35KT 5SM RA OVC015
FM2300 23021KT 6SM -RA OVC020
FM0600 24016KT 6SM SHRA OVC030
KOAK 041615Z 14029G40KT 1SM +RA BR FEW018 BKN024 OVC034 11/10 A2951 RMK AO2 PK WND 14040/1612 P0007 $

KOAK 041141Z 041212 15030G42KT 5SM RA OVC025
TEMPO 1317 2SM +RA OVC010
FM1900 17019G30KT 4SM RA OVC015
FM0000 24018KT 6SM -RA OVC015
FM0600 25015KT 6SM SHRA OVC025
KSJC 041622Z 14023G37KT 2SM +RA FEW012 BKN024 OVC035 12/09 A2956 RMK AO2 PK WND 12041/1558 P0008 $

KSJC 041515Z 041512 14030G40KT 4SM RA OVC025
TEMPO 1518 2SM +RA OVC012
FM1900 18017G29KT 3SM RA OVC020
FM2200 22015G25KT 4SM SHRA OVC015
FM0100 24014KT 6SM -RA OVC030
FM0800 24012KT P6SM -SHRA OVC050
KSAC 041553Z 14031G42KT 4SM RA FEW041 BKN050 OVC080 09/07 A2950 RMK AO2 PK WND 14052/1500 SLP990 P0008 T00940067

KSAC 041538Z 041612 15027G37KT 5SM -RA BR OVC035 WS020/16065KT
TEMPO 1618 2SM +RA OVC015
FM1800 17022G32KT 3SM RA OVC020
FM2300 17017G27KT 5SM -RA OVC030
FM0300 18014G23KT P6SM -SHRA SCT025 OVC035
KRNO 041553Z 19020G28KT 7SM -RA OVC035 06/03 A2948 RMK AO2 PK WND 18030/1509 SLP968 P0004 T00610028

KRNO 041450Z 041512 16022G35KT 6SM -RA SCT020 OVC030 WS010/20045KT
TEMPO 1618 4SM RA BR BKN020 OVC030
FM1900 19023G40KT 4SM RA BR BKN020 OVC030
TEMPO 2024 2SM RA BR OVC020
FM0000 20017G30KT 1 1/2SM -SN BKN010 OVC020
TEMPO 0004 1/2SM SN FG VV005
FM0500 22015G25KT 3SM -SN BKN030


User currently offlineSwiftski From Australia, joined Dec 2006, 2701 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 10559 times:

Very fun/funny listening to the tower

User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19495 posts, RR: 58
Reply 9, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 10479 times:

SFO is kinda funny. I was raised in Michigan and flew in and out of DTW growing up. In the middle of horrible blizzards, driving rainstorms, and crazy fog, planes kept on landing and taking off like it was nothing.

At SFO, a ramper can go and sneeze on 28L and the entire place is backed up for 3 hours.


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21500 posts, RR: 60
Reply 10, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 10440 times:



Quoting DocLightning (Reply 9):
In the middle of horrible blizzards, driving rainstorms, and crazy fog, planes kept on landing and taking off like it was nothing.

And just like SFO, DTW doesn't do that any more due to the stupidity of such operations. Safety has increased in the USA but delays have as well due to no longer landing in "horrible blizzards, driving rainstorms, and crazy fog." In other places in the world we are seeing crashes related to these phenomenon, but in the USA, such major crashes seem to have been eliminated.  Smile



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User currently offlineThreepoint From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 2130 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 10296 times:



Quoting DocLightning (Reply 9):
SFO is kinda funny......planes kept on landing and taking off like it was nothing.

Well considering most planes are landing here reporting moderate turbulence, 70 kt headwinds and +/-20 kt fluctuations all the way down, I'd say SFO is doing quite well today. Tower reported only 2-3 planes per hour are executing the missed.



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19495 posts, RR: 58
Reply 12, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 10279 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 10):
And just like SFO, DTW doesn't do that any more due to the stupidity of such operations. Safety has increased in the USA but delays have as well due to no longer landing in "horrible blizzards, driving rainstorms, and crazy fog." In other places in the world we are seeing crashes related to these phenomenon, but in the USA, such major crashes seem to have been eliminated.

I dunno, the last major crash I know about at DTW was NWA 255, which happened on a beautiful clear day. And that was --what?-- 25 or so years ago?


User currently offlineModesto2 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2790 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 10276 times:



Quoting DocLightning (Reply 9):
SFO is kinda funny. I was raised in Michigan and flew in and out of DTW growing up. In the middle of horrible blizzards, driving rainstorms, and crazy fog, planes kept on landing and taking off like it was nothing.

At SFO, a ramper can go and sneeze on 28L and the entire place is backed up for 3 hours.

Interesting... Blizzards, rain and fog are all nice but windshear and microbursts are a completely different story. It could be clear skies on a sunny day, but most company SOPs dictate that a windshear warning necessitates a go-around. So, let's take these conditions to DTW and see what happens! As long as you're experiencing windshear, it doesn't matter if you're in DTW, SFO or the north pole - planes WILL be executing go-arounds.


User currently offlineADXMatt From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 950 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 10195 times:

Not minimizing the microburst but look at the cross wind component right now in SFO.

19L/R xwind of 32kts
10L/R xwind of 41kts

Maximum demonstrated xwind on the B737 for a wet runway is 30kts.
That doesn't mean that it can't be done with more, but that is ideal.

You get 40kts on the B757/767/777

It is a challenging approach today. We have diverted a few flights already for safety.

now some other airprts have a better runway configuration for historical winds creating less of a cross wind.


User currently offlineDoug_Or From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3402 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 10102 times:



Quoting Mcdu (Reply 3):
Do not want to get into the debate over qualifications but I know SKYW has some very low time pilots.

FWIW, SkyWest and Horizon are the only regionals still requiring 1000 TT to start class. I know thats not a lot of time in the grand scheme of things, but compared to other regioanls they do have stricter hiring mins. Mesa, PSA, Piedmont, ASA, TSA have or are hiring pilots with less than 300 TT.

At any rate, microbursts are (obviously) nothing to mess around with, and I'm glad no metal got bent.



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User currently offlinePhishphan70 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 264 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 9948 times:



Quoting DocLightning (Reply 9):
SFO is kinda funny. I was raised in Michigan and flew in and out of DTW growing up. In the middle of horrible blizzards, driving rainstorms, and crazy fog, planes kept on landing and taking off like it was nothing.

At SFO, a ramper can go and sneeze on 28L and the entire place is backed up for 3 hours.

i'm in Sunnyvale, ca and i was awoken at 4:12 am this morning by a driving rain on my window, so i got up and have been listening to atis info and watching news coverage since..... and i fly SFO-DTW multiple times a year, and a few years ago my flight, along with many others were canceled by a storm seemingly much weaker than this. believe me, i've lived in the bay area for my whole life and i have never, ever seen anything like this here before. this truly is one big, bad, WINDY Beast!!!

stay safe and try to stay dry to all of my fellow aviation fans in the Bay Area!!!


User currently offlineChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 4091 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 9929 times:

where are most of these diversions heading to if the whole Bay Area is experiencing this? Are they heading to Sacramento, or are things bad there as well?

My son flew SFO-CLE-MHT on a Wednesday-night red-eye, so he got out well before this mess. He's flying back MHT-EWR-SFO late Tuesday, so hopefully things will be 'back to normal' by then.

Chris in NH


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21500 posts, RR: 60
Reply 18, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 9878 times:



Quoting DocLightning (Reply 12):
I dunno, the last major crash I know about at DTW was NWA 255, which happened on a beautiful clear day. And that was --what?-- 25 or so years ago?

Your point is what?

It need not be DTW specific, it's a general change in attitude that getting there on time is not as important as not crashing due to weather. We now divert and close airports much more freely than in the past. I'm glad. The alternative is taking more risks with my life when a few hours delay is not as important to me as being alive.  Smile

Just look at the events of the last two years in Africa, the Baltic and Black sea areas, South America and SE Asia where planes have gone down trying to land in horrible weather (or even the AF flight in Canada that defied common sense and landed in diversion weather to only skid off the runway and burst into flames).  Sad The closest we've had here in the USA is the WN MDW incident where the reverse thrusters weren't deployed correctly.

The only planes crashing in the USA due to weather at this point are G/A aircraft where poor decisions were made.



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User currently offlineSoBe From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 256 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 9865 times:



Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 17):
where are most of these diversions heading to if the whole Bay Area is experiencing this?

UAL5 went missed and headed to LAX about 25 minutes ago.


User currently offlinePtcflyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 101 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 9842 times:

The Cathay Flight did the same.

User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4654 posts, RR: 11
Reply 21, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 9794 times:

Mother Nature really has it out for UAL these days... what did they dump fuel over a wildlife preserve or something?  Silly


Experience is what you get when what you thought would work out didn't!
User currently offlineSoBe From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 256 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 9599 times:

SQ 16 missed
Followed by a DL missed and off to Fresno
NZ 8 missed and off to LAX

Onboard windshear advisories on all.

Not a nice day.


User currently offlineADXMatt From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 950 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 9567 times:



Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 17):
where are most of these diversions heading to if the whole Bay Area is experiencing this?

CO714 IAH-SMF going to LAS

CO1436 IAH-SFO been in SAN for awhile now
CO555 CLE-SFO in SLC
CO448 EWR-SFO in SLC


User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5935 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 9490 times:

LAX, SLC, SAN I heard another flight divert to Fresno as well. Looks like DL411 diverted to SLC.

DL1193 went to FAT

[Edited 2008-01-04 11:32:26]


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25 AndesSMF : The weather is just crappy around these areas. News is saying that the bridge close to SFO is shut down till further notice. Nothing will divert to SM
26 Post contains links DocLightning : Apparently a truck or two got toppled by winds on the Bay Bridge. http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/weather/01/04/california.storms/index.html Doesn't sound
27 Post contains links and images Jacobin777 : I'm flying out of SFO tomorrow even though 90% of the time I fly out of SJC.....maybe we'll get a departure off the 10's... ..that being said, I have
28 WhatUsaid : A number of flights have been diverted to FAT. Driving across town around 10a, there were at least five or six on approach within a maybe 15 minutes o
29 FATFlyer : It looks like we've been taking flights at FAT, including diversions from SMF. But conditions in Fresno are now starting to change. We expect the bru
30 DL777LAX : How has Virgin affected by said storm? Anything bad like jetBlue last year on valentine's day?[Edited 2008-01-04 13:05:08]
31 9V-SPJ : Not to divert from SFO but LAX has just started East ops due to the wind! 9V-SPJ
32 Chrisair : Richmond/San Rafael Bridge, up northwest of the Bay Bridge. I wonder what the drive over the San Mateo Bridge is like. I've done that in 50+ mph wind
33 WhatUsaid : I heard SMF was on a ground hold mid-morning. SWA 2011 came in to FAT this morning. That's about as close as we'll ever get to seeing Southwest on th
34 JoePatroni : AC 757 YYZ-SFO diverted to LAS and has now safely landed at SFO. What a mess this place is today! Also... if anyone's interested, AC is bringing in a
35 BayAreaBlue : AS has had multiple flights from SEA/PDX to the Bay Area that have either turned around and went back to their origin or went to SoCal (mainly ONT). T
36 OPNLguy : In addition to 2011 (OAK), you also had 1859 and 178 (both SMF) divert into FAT, so we had a mini-hub going for awhile...
37 AS739X : Thats kind of funny. Last I checked a blizzard with sustained winds from one direction is a lot different then 50 Kts and micro burst of +20 Kts. You
38 AS739X : Virgin America has 3 planes just sitting a remote stands, so looks like they canceled multiple flights. Looks like you may end up departing on 1R/L,
39 Post contains images OPNLguy : They're calling for 18012 at 16Z so you sure won't be departing 01L/R with that tailwind...
40 Post contains images Jacobin777 : ...damn it...I was hoping for something different for once.....
41 JetBlueAUS : Not good, I flew Virgin America out yesterday on SFO-LAS and we were delayed. Then coming back, we were delayed about 3 hours and 45 minutes from the
42 Goldenshield : Flow was extremely bad yesterday. Today wasn't so bad because the airlines had proactively cancelled.
43 JetBlueAUS : Think that it will be the same story tomorrow? That is when I am flying back home.
44 Devildog2222 : I just saw this on kron4 news and they were talking to a passenger of a flight that was going to Miami and they were stuck on the aircraft on the tarm
45 LAXdude1023 : Would have to be AA. They are the only one who flies SFO-MIA.
46 Apollo13 : id like to see some photos of today's events at FAT. i spent a summer there and lived near the airport and it was quite boring seeing smaller jets all
47 AS739X : Through the heavy rain I did see 3 planes sitting on taxiways between 10L/R waiting for gates. Two were United and 1 Air China 747. But I didn't know
48 AndesSMF : Or a train ticket on Amtrak to Reno!! The weather finally calmed. The office basically shut down today due to prolonged power outages. 60 mph winds w
49 Goldenshield : Possible. The winds still might pose an issue, as the low is moving in, and it's going to cover a large area.
50 Flyorski : How long is the storm expected to last? I hear that they expect blizzard conditions in the Sierra Nevada's.
51 OPNLguy : It's hitting RNO now and it's 1/4 mile in heavy snow. Flights are diverting... It's supposed to slacken up a bit at RNO by morning with 4-7 inch tota
52 AS739X : Look like RNO is going to get hit good. They are getting 15 feet or more in Tahoe. Check your a PM..... ASSFO
53 Post contains links TXKF2010 : This might not make you feel any better but, your a little off on hours. Skywest is 850. And Horizon is only 750. http://airlinepilotcentral.com/airl
54 FlymeFASTER : About how often are 1R and 1L used for landings at SFO? I remember seeing it on TV years ago when winds were the 'wrong way' and I'd love to be there
55 AS739X : Roughly 3 times per year and not usually all day. ASSFO
56 FATFlyer : They've had problems at Reno all day. UA and DL cancelled departures out of RNO starting early Friday morning. Even the 6AM flights were cancelled.
57 Baw716 : Hey guys, It's bad all over...the same storm in California dropped 80mph winds in eastern Oregon and Washington earlier today and is expected to drop
58 Mike89406 : Luckily I got some skiing in at Squaw Valley on Thursday. Me and my family stayed in the JA Nugget in Reno and woke up to heavy rains blowing with tr
59 Post contains images TSS : It's supposed to clear there by noon-ish Saturday. My fingers are crossed that it does, as I'm supposed to be arriving there Saturday afternoon.
60 AS739X : Looks like RNO just had its first 2 departures around 850pm local, since roughly 430p. They were UPS and FedEx, so the planes may have already been th
61 SMF711 : SMF was on back up power for part of the day too. Looks like things are starting to smooth out for the evening bank.
62 CFMitch56 : Does weather like this affect takeoffs also? If so, to what extent?
63 Post contains images Norcal773 : Where di this baby divert to? I was supposed to be on SQ 15 on 01/04 but pushed my flight foward to New Years day. Good thing I did, can't imagive th
64 Post contains images Jacobin777 : ....you're just jealous.. ....whatever dude, you were still crying that you didn't have an SQ girl sitting on your lap and instead got a big husky NW
65 AS739X : They were using 19L this morning when NW arrived from Narita. 1R is the arrival that circles in over Burlingame and Millbrae which is a used only on
66 HangarRat : I've been across the causeway into Ocean City, MD at night as a tropical storm was passing the coast. The winds, at 40 or so, were bad, but the spray
67 KensukeAida : I think you mean the most recent. AA Flight 1420 was way more extreme and had far more severe consequences. Although ironically enough, both could ha
68 Post contains images Norcal773 : I think there a photo of an ANA 77W landing on 1R on the database somewhere. Hahahahaha. You know my carrier of choice now, right? Won't make the sam
69 Anonms : Just look at a lot of CI's incidents. >.> IIRC, a lot of them involve landing at Kai Tak during typhoons.
70 Mike89406 : We were getting 60-70+ mph at the Tahoe Area yesterday before the storm actually hit. I got hit by blowing ice pieces and it felt like sandpaper hitt
71 AS739X : Fortunatly, other then the San Mateo Bridge, most of the bridges are high and we don't have to deal with sea spray. I don't want salt water on my car
72 Mark5388916 : Sounds like I should have went over to ONT today.... Perhaps there will still be some there tommorow. Mark
73 Post contains links and images Legacyins : View Large View MediumPhoto © Jack Hannen
74 Post contains images KensukeAida : Listening to the archives from this morning. Anybody catch this exchange? A/C 1: Ahh....a little crosswind never hurt anyone. A/C 2: Unless it exceeds
75 Swiftski : Yes I caught that! Then I wrote: Although I didn't go into any detail.
76 Post contains images Norcal773 : Right on. Awesome shot, it was my wallpaper for a while.
77 Boston92 : Well, the worst the METAR got in Santa Barbara that I saw was winds sustained at 23 knots and gusts to 29. Though most planes that fly here are small
78 Post contains images Jacobin777 : ..right on.. ...we've known about your *** Alliance (LoL) and your love for Chew for quite some time.. ..and who had the p*** and shoot for years? ..
79 CBPhoto : Ahhh...thats is incorrect! Those are "published" minimums, but I know for a fact Piedmont, PSA and TSA are all hiring at commercial minimums! I know,
80 AndesSMF : I have to say that it all depends. The areas that freak me out are those where trucks leave grooves in the roadway, so when you are driving in rain a
81 Post contains images Norcal773 : Star Allianace has been voted the best Alliance by people who matter for a long time. I've tred your None-World and it doesn't work for me at all. Ch
82 LACA773 : How bad were the delays @ SJC? Did they have diverts too? I know from my own experience I've had much better luck with ontime departures and arrivals
84 Acabgd : Anyone know where the worst of the weather is right now? Seems that KSEA is getting some of it now (14:00 UTC), although nothing as bad as it was at K
85 Post contains images RayChuang : I talked with my brother last night (he came in on an international flight to SFO yesterday!) and he told me he got stuck in the Customs area because
86 Post contains links and images Jacobin777 : ...oh yah..that's what you think.. "VANCOUVER, British Columbia, Dec 18, 2007 /PRNewswire via COMTEX/ -- The oneworld(R) Alliance has been named the
87 Chrisair : I did my little trip over the San Mateo Bridge in a Chevy Cobalt from Budget. That sucker was sure being buffeted like crazy. I'd take the San Mateo
88 ONTFlyer : Anyone know how it was on the Dumbarton yesterday?
89 AS739X : Not as bad as the other bridges apparently. I heard almost nothing about the Dumbarton yesterday. ASSFO
90 Jawed : I'm flying MSP to SFO tomorrow morning, arriving just after noon. How can I figure out in advance what the situation will be like for SFO arrivals?
91 Goldenshield : You can't. Even we pros can't.
92 Jawed : Well, just like there are is a weather report every night on TV that tries to predict the general weather, I was wondering if there is a weather repor
93 Post contains links Mike89406 : Not to change the subject. Can;t believe that Fernley had a levee break I only live 30 mins away and work with a few people that live in Fernley and c
94 Post contains links and images Jawed : Check out this flight path from SJC to SFO: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/UAL842 [Edited 2008-01-05 13:31:05]
95 OPNLguy : "(The bad weather) will continue through at least tomorrow, and then there's another round on Monday," said Jane Hollingsworth, a spokeswoman for the
96 Jawed : Do you think that my flight will merely be delayed (ie boarding will be delayed), or is there a possibility with this weather pattern that the flight
97 ONTFlyer : Hopefully that was the case then. Thanks for the update
98 OPNLguy : That one is too close to call. If the weather dictates and ATC puts out the program early enough, your boarding will be delayed. If the weather looks
99 Post contains links Lightsaber : If the max demonstrated is 30kts for a plane... its going to take a 'no-choice' scenario for a pilot to dare exceeding that. That's just crazy. Is th
100 OH-LGA : It was AA1990 SFO-MIA. I remember hearing it on the live ATC feed I was listening to... it was supposed to leave about 730am. It showed departed the
101 AndesSMF : Our train trip from SMF to RNO was just as bad, even though the weather wasn't as bad. While we left on time, we got delayed because of snow over the
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