EMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 8301 times:
Flight attendants, for example, work an average of 996 hours each year and earn $33,957. That's 1,084 extra hours to spend freely!
LOL...!!!!! Not hardly. That's 996 Flight Hours.... that is not the time they are required to spend sitting in the crew room not getting paid... Flight Attendants are way under paid for the actual hours they are required to be on duty. They may have a 10 or 12 hours day, but since they only fly say... 4 hours of it... guess what, they only get paid for 4 hours.... even though they were on duty for 12 hours.
[Edited 2008-01-04 09:56:11]
"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog"
ZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7166 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 7841 times:
FA's don't get enough credit. Dealing with ass holes in a metal tube 30,000 odd feet in the sky and jobs like that are not I would call cushy
Quoting EMBQA (Reply 2): Flight attendants, for example, work an average of 996 hours each year and earn $33,957. That's 1,084 extra hours to spend freely!
Pilots or Flight Crew on the other hand work less hours in some airlines and get paid multiple times more. Unless in an emergency and certain parts in a flight, all we do is sit on our arse for the majority of the time doing not a whole lot except scaning screens. (of course not taking into account the training costs and years doing training unless you are extremely lucky to do it by cadet scheme etc etc...)
Mauiman31 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 453 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 7714 times:
"Cushy", I believe that's a gross overstatment given today's environment. Again, my FA days were thirty years ago. . . and we had a lot more cabin service to do on most flights than is standard today in the US domestic market, but minus a lot of the other headaches FA's face today. But, if you don't mind untraditional working hours, being on your feet, being away from home, missing out on social and family events at times, people, and service work. . . I imagine it is still a fun job. I had a blast the years I did it. No regrets.
Aogdesk From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 935 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 7669 times:
Cushy...lol......all those extra hours off to spend ALL THAT MONEY!!!! Wow.....$34K, how could a person possibly spend all that money?!?!?!?!?!? I hardly see a distinction between Ken Lay, Bernie Ebbers and a Flight Attendant, they all have (had) such cushy jobs.
Peh From Australia, joined Nov 2006, 340 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 7124 times:
My mate works as a flight attendant for Qantas. He recently explained what it meant to be on stand-by (I forget the real term). Basically, you have to sit around and wait for the airline to call you.
This means that he can't drink or be too far away from the house because he'd need to be at the airport within an hour of being called-in. Anyway, just last week, he was on standby for 12 hours and got called in on the 11th hour (literally). That's a whole day waiting around, not being able to start anything or go anywhere on the off-chance that you may have to work. And, of course, you don't get paid for it.
Elcableguy77 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 523 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 7113 times:
Cushy? I'll have to remember that the next time I'm toting a bag full of trash down the aisle after grooming the cabin and cleaning up after what must have been 50 ten-year olds, what with the shredded newspapers, cups full of liquid in the seat pocket, and crushed pretzels ground into the carpeting.
I've been doing this job for over a year now, and I don't find it cushy. I do enjoy it and find it rewarding (like the sunset I got to see this evening, or the four year-old on his first flight). It doesn't hurt that I have a passion for aviation and do enjoy (for the most part) being around people.
And I'm still waiting on those bags full of money. Goodness knows I could put them to good use.
Former ZW F/A | "Wisconsin 72A, contact departure, see ya."
NG1Fan From Australia, joined Aug 2007, 446 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 6708 times:
Quoting Peh (Reply 14): My mate works as a flight attendant for Qantas. He recently explained what it meant to be on stand-by (I forget the real term). Basically, you have to sit around and wait for the airline to call you.
That's not just in the airlines. Medical profession springs to mind. When I was a uni student, I was on call at Domino's pizza as a driver - obviously having a beer while you wait for the call is out of the question....
MP From Germany, joined Aug 2006, 63 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 6592 times:
On the one hand, being a flight attendant is a pretty cushy job, because there's often no real mental chellenge. As I'am working on long haul flights only, generally 10 to 12 hour flights, it's just about physical work. There's only routine work, doing the same thing every week and on every flight.
But on the other hand, on 80% of the flights, you deal with people that are rude and stressed, that treat you like trash or like their private slave. 50% of the PAX in the aircraft think that they're something special and want to be treated like a king. I don't know the reason, but somehow it appears to me, that people change completly when they enter the airport. Is it the size and complexity of an airport, or the rush and stress, that turns them into another person?
Well, but it's interessting, because when most people get into the airport they forget about most of the rules of living in a community or educatrion. They don't say "Thank you" or "...., please", words you always say in life and that you learned while growing up. People concentrate so much on their trip or on themselves that they forget that there are still other people around, on this planet. A large number of this people turn out to be rude and demanding, demanding that they paid $800 for a round trip in Y-cls and expect to be treated like a F-Cls Premium PAX. The persons who feel this rudeness and have to deal with it are the Cabin Attendants onboard.
Thankfully it's just a small amount of people who treat you, The F/A like this, but don't forget about the MAIN duty of the Cabin Attendants. It's our responsibility to guarentee and provide safety onboard. We are responsible for you if something happens and we are trained to deal with the situation.
Just as an example. It already happened several times to me, that there were unruly PAX onboard, that had to be restrained. Well, as there was only 1 (!) PAX who helped me to restrain the unruly PAX, who was accompanied by his Medic, because he was a mentally disturbed person, it is sad to see, that there are a lot of people around who don't care about the other persons around them, just to ensure their own comfort. Ok, it's not their duty to help the F/A's, when they're trying to restrain a PAX that just kicked and injured another PAX, but it's civil courage. See, we get paid for this, but it's sad, if there's nobody around to help, even though you're the only male F/A onboard and just got bitten and beaten, or even says "Thanks". Of course, we're trained to handle a situation like this and, we get paid to handle this.
What I want to say is, that if you're on a plane next time, just remind yourself, that this cushy F/A next to you, could somehow do something good for you and help you if you get sick or someboby goes nuts again.
Nzrich From New Zealand, joined Dec 2005, 1538 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 6484 times:
Yes and i do believe they forgot about the stress of going through the redundancies that the American carriers have gone through being fur lowed and if they survived having their pays slashed and with all that still going to work smiling at idiots that think they are god and treat us like dirt .. Hmm that money is not sounding quite so flash now !!!!
Zkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 5068 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 6346 times:
Mentally it is a "cushy" job as you are not really having to do a lot of thinking a lot of the time and when you get home you don't have to think about your customers etc.
Physically and emotionally on the other hand it is far from a "cushy" job! Lets see... we have
1) long work hours (up to 20 hours on the trot for most carriers) not including the time for transport to/from airport and sign-on etc
2) Jet Lag (different time zones, sleep disruption, working in a low oxygen, dry environment).
3) Lifting bags, pushing carts, walking large distance both at the airport and onboard (where being at altitude makes any work you do twice as hard physically let alone dealing with the bumps and turbulence).
4) Working in a hot environment... (pax complain about sitting on a hot aircraft for 30-60mins...meanwhile the crew have been onboard that same hot aircraft for about 15-30mins more and have to be standing and helping...not fun in 40+degC/100+degF.
5) Being away from family/friends for long periods of time and missing out on important things like weddings, birthdays etc.
6) Working in a dangerous/hazardous environment... turbulence, banging into things in confined spaces, lifting heavy items, trip hazards from our wonderful passengers feet/headsets/pillows/blankets/rubbish/food/whatever else they decide to put in the aisles. Radiation exposure, longterm hearing damage (especially for short haul crews using stairs near loud engine noises), eating non-familiar foods in other countries/catching bugs etc or from pax, to name but a few hazards.
It is a good job and if you can handle the above then it is not too bad I know of much worse jobs after all! But to call it cushy is quite simply irresponsible reporting and shows the reporter does not have a clue what they are talking about!
Mm320cap From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 239 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 5629 times:
Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 10): Pilots or Flight Crew on the other hand work less hours in some airlines and get paid multiple times more. Unless in an emergency and certain parts in a flight, all we do is sit on our arse for the majority of the time doing not a whole lot except scaning screens. (of course not taking into account the training costs and years doing training unless you are extremely lucky to do it by cadet scheme etc etc...)
Just sent a blasting email to AOL. I wouldn't last 5 minutes as a Flight Attendant these days. Our F/A's have an extremely tough job with little support and often work in difficult conditions. There are benefits to the job, of course, but to suggest it is one of the "cushiest" in America is extremely ill informed. Especially when the "matrix" that is used to justify that ranking only considers an F/A to be working when they are actually flying. That is like suggesting that the article's author is only "working" when they are writing. I guess all that research must be considered leisure time.
That being said, I was a little surprised to see someone post in this thread that all we pilots do is "sit on our arse the majority of the time not doing a whole lot except scanning screens". I checked your profile to see what airline YOU are working for, because I want to work there!! I see you are still a student, so I will simply say that you will understand more about this subject when you have been flying the line for a few years. There is a lot more to it than just "scanning screens". The aviation world gives you a lot of rope to hang yourself with. You will find that you will need to spend a LOT of time and draw on an astonishing amount of experience and knowledge to keep the noose untied. Best of luck in your career.
: Considering all their many talents, I just don't understand why anyone would want to do the job anymore, for the pitiful amount of pay they recieve. F
: While I don't condone this behavior in the slightest you are in the unfortunate position of being at the tail end of a process designed specifically
: Ok, I just slammed AOL on their feedback. Here's some quick numbers. I would venture to guess the average flight attendant works 15 days per month and
: Amen. You just got the point. You're absolutly right. There are always 2 sides, which, in most cases we and the other people don't see or don't want
: Another thing: Often only the flight time gets paid and counted for. Last week I was recovering an AOG aircraft at an outstation to ferry it back to t
: Thanks It was not meant to be taken literally, sorry if I gave you that impression. All I was implying is that FAs get a lot more crap and strife fro
: I kind of disagree. I do think that a flight attendant is anything but a cushy job, but it does have its pros, depending on which you work on. I am no
: All this is also happening to the F/A ..... And then we have to WORK the flight, while you get to sit and relax. The F/A has to go through the same a
: No deletion necessary! It's good to talk about! Each position has its own unique challenges. I'm glad some people's personalities allow them to smile
: Let's be real folks: The 80 20 rule applies to Fa's just like it applies in every job. Look around and 80 percent of the work will be done by 20 perce
: If you think the F/A position is soo cushy perhaps you should work one trip with me and see how "relaxing" it is. I fly regularly between either ATL-T
: Well two weeks ago I checked in at LGW 2hrs before flying to GND (9h 30m) 45min on ground then GND-TAB 45m, then had to wait 3hrs for a light aircraft
: It may not be "cushy", but nothing anyone has described here so far is any worse than anything anybody else has to put up with in 99% of the other job
: I'm assuming you make regular pay for those 10-11 hours (maybe even a bit of overtime). See where I'm going with this? No one is saying otherwise I t
: Absolutely agree. And thank you very much for your kind words
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: The perfect definition of an FA job, which I have been doing for 30 years.
: some do work harder than others though. A UK charter carrier has drinks ervice, meal service, tea and coffee service, duty free sales etc on a 2 hour
: Flight attendants are nothing of the sort that they used to be (young, female, and attractive) as well as the industry is nothing of the sort that it
: FWIW: It's likely not AOL that wrote the article. It's more likely one of their heavy advertisers wanted the article because they need F/A candidates.
: I think that is a great idea, and all people who are as smart as you should push that button and jettison your a$$ off the aircraft.
: 30 years ago your aircraft was slower and you had more time to do things. Just kidding! Someone had to open the proverbial can of worms on this one.
: I actually got thanked by passengers, not just in person but in writing to my supervisor. It's not all thankless.
: Yes, we get your point, you've only said the same thing three times and, so far, nobody cares.
: the whole list is stupid and ill informed. move along.
: Very well said. Welcome to my RU list. I couldn't have put it any better myself.
: Damn, I was lucky flying for regional. I spent about two weeks on reserve after training, then I was getting called in for the next two weeks, after
: Huh? What? Can't hear you! Would you please say that agian?