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Finnair Admits "not Enough Time For Maintenance"  
User currently offlineFFlyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 733 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 8448 times:

Ok, since I have got a nice Finnish fan club here, I will start another Finnair thread.  Wink

According to today's "Taloussanommat" Finnair operations director Henrik Arl admits that the company doesn't have enough maintenance time, or mechanics, to service the long-haul aircraft between the flights. This has become an issue lately, when quite a few AY aircraft have gone mx both in Helsinki, and overseas. The most recent cases have happened on layovers in India, and caused cancellations and delays of longer than 14 hours on several consecutive days.

Obviosly one of the reasons behind the lack of mechanics is that Finnair had earlier supported retirement of a greater number (?) of mechanics to save money, but now when there are additional planes in the fleet, and the the company has got service contracts from other airlines...there is "suddenly" need for additional mechanics. Which there are not available.

Disclaimer; I have not included a single word that is an opinion of mine. All of the above is a translation of the above mentioned publication, and some known (by my friend) facts about the mechanics problem at AY.

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User currently offlineAirlinelover From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 5580 posts, RR: 22
Reply 1, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 8433 times:



Quoting FFlyer (Thread starter):

According to today's "Taloussanommat" Finnair operations director Henrik Arl admits that the company doesn't have enough maintenance time, or mechanics, to service the long-haul aircraft between the flights.

And he said this publicly???? Sounds like a real issue..This can't be good.



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User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17146 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 8395 times:

This is absolutely not healthy for AY. If they want to compete with all the leading European and Asian carriers between Europe-Asia, it cant continue like this.


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User currently offlineTeme82 From Finland, joined Mar 2007, 1636 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 8278 times:
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Quoting Airlinelover (Reply 1):
And he said this publicly??

There has been a lot of arm twisting in here. Since here you don't have any schools that has the proper certifications to train people to maintenance. Finnair has even stated that it would train people since the schools don't have the proper certifications...



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User currently offlineKilljoy From Finland, joined Dec 1999, 646 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 7876 times:

While FFlyer didn't inject opinion, I've already seen other people try to twist this into a safety issue, so just to clarify: he did not say they aren't maintaining them properly. The issue is that they don't have enough time to fix things without causing delays.

And no, it's not good. This is exactly the kind of growth problems one can expect from a company facing unhealthy demand. They need to cut down on ambition before mistakes cost them too much money.

As for the reputation, who cares*. Consumers are stupid, and will forget about this the minute it's fixed (actually, the minute it's out of the headlines, which is a completely different thing!).

* well, I do, but not from a business standpoint...


Edit: by the way, they've already promised to change their schedules to reduce bottlenecks, so don't assume they're not worrying about this.

I really wish they would get rid of the 757, though. Flying it to Asia is ridiculous, and I practically refuse to go on vacation to those destinations. Not just because breakdowns will inevitably occur at some desert gas station instead of in Finland or Thailand, but also because the charter seats are so shit.

[Edited 2008-01-04 14:28:39]

User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 7729 times:



Quote:
According to today's "Taloussanommat" Finnair operations director Henrik Arl admits that the company doesn't have enough maintenance time, or mechanics, to service the long-haul aircraft between the flights. This has become an issue lately, when quite a few AY aircraft have gone mx both in Helsinki, and overseas. The most recent cases have happened on layovers in India, and caused cancellations and delays of longer than 14 hours on several consecutive days.

So the flights were scheduled knowing that the planes could not meet the timetable, and the airline knew the flights would be hopelessly delayed, yet let the public think that they could fulfill a promise that was impossible to keep.

Reminding anyone of United in the summer of 2000? Different causes, but same mentality.

One would think that anger and frustration would lead the company to change its policies, but...

Quote:
As for the reputation, who cares*. Consumers are stupid, and will forget about this the minute it's fixed (actually, the minute it's out of the headlines, which is a completely different thing!).

If it's $5 cheaper, the public will forget about being stranded and fly with the same airline again.

Quote:
* well, I do, but not from a business standpoint...

Same here - you get what you pay for. Caveat emptor - buyer beware.



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User currently offlineSailas From Finland, joined Jul 2007, 288 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 7629 times:

Oh dear AY is in Shit.. with their MD-11 problems and now these 757s...

http://www.iltasanomat.fi/uutiset/kotimaa/uutinen.asp?id=1472036

Theres an article on the 757 flying HEL-Ahmabad-PHK 20 hours late im glad im not flying to phuket... Even if i did id go LH. But yes this is one of those "oh so many" cases as to where greed and ambition go first before ethics.
I do like seeing AY succeeding, but i think theyre doing too mich atm... They should reduce destinations especialy when they have older planes in the fleet, which might be of a problem...eg now...
I hope they get things sorted out at get some replacements for the 757! 7672ers wouldnt be bad i guess:P Then wed get straight flights to HEL-PHK and Helsinki to south america.

-Sailas



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User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14139 posts, RR: 62
Reply 7, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 7597 times:

So Finnair laid off or sent into early retirement a lot of mechanics and licenced engineers? Great thinking of the beancounters.
There exists currently a Europe-wide shortage of licenced aircraft maintenance personnel. For many years airlines have not trained staff to the standard and instead tried to poach qualified staff from other companies. Even today there still exists this attitude.
Also, a few years ago, several big airlines tried to get the EASA to drop maintenance licences altogether, to leave it to the airline's quality departments to decide who was qualified to work on their aircraft and to certify for it.
Thanks to unions like the ALAE the airlines didn't succeed with it. Also, who would want to fly on a plane, which has been fixed by a bicycle mechanic with 6 weeks on-the-job training, approved by his company?

Good that this attitude finally bites somebody in the @rse and I hope the managers responsible for the job cuts will have to pay for their short timed planning.

Jan


User currently offlineAndaman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 7371 times:

Wow, FFlyer still is busy with Finnair, now he is also interested in AY's holiday division, perhaps someone from AY broke his heart or something   maybe it was the f/a who "had a bite of his pastry"    on the flight, as he mentioned in one of his AY posts...

Finnair: 20-Euro Fee For Bookings On Own Site! (by FFlyer Dec 20 2007 in Civil Aviation)?threadid=3757685&searchid=3757715&s=FFlyer#ID3757715
(reply 51)

[Edited 2008-01-04 20:18:54]

User currently offlineTu154m From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 683 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 7033 times:

Airlines and their respective executives have to realize that no matter how much they cost, or how many there are, aircraft mechanics are always going to be necessary to keep the aircraft, which make $$$$ for the companies, safe and airworthy. This is probably the only area they cannot afford to cut/outsource/get rid of as it could have literally grave effects. Pilots, flight attendants, gate agents, rampies, all respect the mechanics where I work and the passengers should as well. Where I work, every one of them(along with every other employee group) has taken huge paycuts and lost just about everything as far as the future is concerned, but all the ones I know still have the utmost ethical and professional values which is the safety and integrity of the passengers and aircraft first and foremost. Something to think about next time a plane goes tech. That decision could have just delayed you a couple of hours, but it could of also saved your life in the most extreme cases. There should ALWAYS be time for Maintenance......there is just no good excuse not to allow for it.


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User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8760 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 6965 times:



Quoting Tu154m (Reply 9):
There should ALWAYS be time for Maintenance......there is just no good excuse not to allow for it.

Well, their excuse was they would rather fly their MD-11 fleet to the maximum, to make the most revenue. Or, they did not wish to purchase another MD-11 just to allow for unexpected maintenance hiccups, a jet that would sit nearly all day every day. A small airline like AY cannot really afford that. BA, AA can.

So, should AY cut one city in Asia? Should they purchase another A343? I tend to believe they could run their schedule with enough mechanics. But maybe their schedule is the problem. Too much flying. This is known to cause ops problems, no matter how many mechanics you have on staff.

AY is waiting for the A350 to consolidate their ops. In the meantime, they may need a better crisis plan, or perhaps an additional plane.


User currently offlineTeme82 From Finland, joined Mar 2007, 1636 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 5966 times:
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Quoting Flighty (Reply 10):
So, should AY cut one city in Asia? Should they purchase another A343? I tend to believe they could run their schedule with enough mechanics. But maybe their schedule is the problem. Too much flying. This is known to cause ops problems, no matter how many mechanics you have on staff.

They are getting two A343E's this year. I believe in the spring and the summer. Then they'll be getting some A333's. With those replacing MD-11's. I hope that they can have enough planes that they could actually have one in spare and of course the timetable should be allowing it too!



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User currently offlineKilljoy From Finland, joined Dec 1999, 646 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 5656 times:



Quoting Teme82 (Reply 11):
I hope that they can have enough planes that they could actually have one in spare and of course the timetable should be allowing it too!

No airline will ever keep spare planes, but with enough departures you can shuffle aircraft around and delay many flights 10 minutes instead of delaying one flight by hours. As such, the growth will actually reduce problems in the long term.

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 7):
So Finnair laid off or sent into early retirement a lot of mechanics and licenced engineers? Great thinking of the beancounters.

You must keep in mind that the current strategy is very young. Not too long ago Finnair only had four long haul aircraft. Of course, if those mechanics were laid off after the growth started, it's inexcusable.

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 5):
So the flights were scheduled knowing that the planes could not meet the timetable, and the airline knew the flights would be hopelessly delayed, yet let the public think that they could fulfill a promise that was impossible to keep.

Most likely they were scheduled hoping that the resources would be sufficient, and now they can't change them immediately. Big mistake, but they would have to be rather arrogant to do what you describe.


User currently offlineUpperDeck79 From Finland, joined Feb 2005, 1139 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 5458 times:



Quoting FFlyer (Thread starter):
the company doesn't have enough maintenance time, or mechanics, to service the long-haul aircraft between the flights. This has become an issue lately, when quite a few AY aircraft have gone mx both in Helsinki, and overseas. The most recent cases have happened on layovers in India, and caused cancellations and delays of longer than 14 hours on several consecutive days

Yes, there has been a lot of delayes with the charter flights lately. Yes, the rotations for the 757s, MD11s and 343s are very tight.

BUT, you are mixing two totally separate issues together:

The Leisure Division is running all the (and only the) 757s on charter flights and they have have those 15-hour delays in recent weeks.

The Scheduled Division is running all the MD11s and 343s. No serious delays here except for one BKK flight this week due to de-icing vehicle accident, NOT maintenance. This resulted in re-routing pax on the PEK flight to other carriers without serious delays. Could have happened to any carrier.

Rostering for these two divisions are completely separate aircraft-wise.



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User currently offlineSailas From Finland, joined Jul 2007, 288 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 5374 times:



Quoting Teme82 (Reply 11):
They are getting two A343E's this year. I believe in the spring and the summer. Then they'll be getting some A333's. With those replacing MD-11's. I hope that they can have enough planes that they could actually have one in spare and of course the timetable should be allowing it too!

Are they to receive their forst a333 in 2009? If that is the case its a long way until finnair starts replacing md-11s and by then many worse things might happen. I agree very much to the idea of having one airplane in spare, especially now when they have so many destinations and time spaces minimized... How bout leasing from somewhere eg. Thomson fly or something a 767-300er with pilots? Or even 762ers... My cousins ex husband works at finnair refueling and doing all sorts of things, and a while back he told me that he wouldnt fly anything else but finnair when he saw the condition of the different airlines. This is no good now... but its deffinetley a sign of growth... when some things are let undone and the companys nerves are growing... so we're actualy both the good and bad. I actually cant wait for the day when finnair transports 20million a year...
Am i correct that when md-11s are no more AY will have 4 340e's 1 a340-313 and 11a330s, and 11a359s??? If so that will be a huge step.

Lets hope though however that AY will gets things sorted out quick!



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User currently offlineKilljoy From Finland, joined Dec 1999, 646 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 5282 times:



Quoting Sailas (Reply 14):
If that is the case its a long way until finnair starts replacing md-11s and by then many worse things might happen.

What are you implying? I'll repeat that they aren't skimping on maintenance, just incurring too many delays. In fact, if this situation continues uncorrected and the delays suddenly disappear, then we should be worried!

Quoting Sailas (Reply 14):
I agree very much to the idea of having one airplane in spare, especially now when they have so many destinations and time spaces minimized... How bout leasing from somewhere eg. Thomson fly or something a 767-300er with pilots? Or even 762ers...

You can agree as much as you like, but it's still completely impractical. And they have been leasing extra capacity when needed, if you weren't aware. It's just not always available at a moment's notice, which is what it comes down to in these cases.

Quoting Sailas (Reply 14):
Am i correct that when md-11s are no more AY will have 4 340e's 1 a340-313 and 11a330s, and 11a359s??? If so that will be a huge step.

I'm not sure about the exact number of 330:s, but it's certainly not 11. Huge step anyway, though. I'm hoping that the 359:s will push some of the older Airbuses into charter service, so they could finally get rid of the 757:s. An updated 321 could easily handle all European charters.

Personally, I'm also hoping for an A380 order in the 2015-2020 timeframe Big grin


User currently offlineSailas From Finland, joined Jul 2007, 288 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 5211 times:



Quoting Killjoy (Reply 15):

Well thank you killjoy Big grin for that information but less tone please?

Quoting Killjoy (Reply 15):
Personally, I'm also hoping for an A380 order in the 2015-2020 timeframe Big grin

I thought that was a great firecracker to my day lol:P actually id wish that too.... but where would that ever fit in routes? Bangkok on peak season? Or ARN lol what a watse of plane it would be.... but if youd compress the 21 flights a day to the a380 then it might work lol:P except the a380 fram wasnt designed for that:P just like the 744ers

Quoting Killjoy (Reply 15):
It's just not always available at a moment's notice, which is what it comes down to in these cases.

Thats true, sorry.

And as for the a330 order i
took it of our friend the very reliable wikipedia Big grin

Aircraft Total Passengers Routes Notes
Airbus A319-100 11 105-126
Airbus A320-200 12 124-159 New cabin seats during spring 2007
Airbus A321-200 6 154-196 New cabin seats during spring 2007
Airbus A330 (11 orders) Entry into service: 2009-2010
Airbus A340-300 3
(2 orders) 269 (42/227)
295 (30/265) Nagoya, Tokyo, Seoul (starts June 2008), Mumbai, Shanghai
Airbus A350-900 XWB (15 orders) Entry into service: 2014-2016
Boeing 757-200WL 7 227 Charter and leisure flights only and Boston, Toronto Configured with winglets
Embraer 170 10 76
Embraer 190LR 6
(4 orders) 100
McDonnell Douglas MD-11 7 282 (36/246) Hong Kong, Bangkok, New York, Delhi, etc. Exit from service: Present - Spring 2010
Two to be converted for Aeroflot-Cargo



I still WISH and so WISH that AY would have ordered the 772er  ashamed   banghead 
My fav. plane ive been on... well still waiting for 747 experience...  Yeah sure



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User currently offlineFFlyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 733 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4774 times:

Andaman...yes, many Finnish ladies have been at least close to breaking my hearth, but none of them have worked for Finnair, or any other airline. You like the story about the pastry? Obviously it had been "recycled" from another flight. Does it go that way that if there are leftovers, which look like they haven't been touched, will be served on another flight? Or, then somebody at the catering thought it to be a good joke to take a bite. Or then...one of the f/a's on board. Interesting question, actually.

User currently offlineFFlyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 733 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4748 times:



Quoting Killjoy (Reply 12):
No airline will ever keep spare planes,

What I have been reading on this forum, is that e.g. DL has/used to have a 772 running domestic flights just to remain as a spare for the NRT flight, if that aircraft goes mechanical.


User currently offlineUpperDeck79 From Finland, joined Feb 2005, 1139 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4706 times:



Quoting FFlyer (Reply 18):
What I have been reading on this forum, is that e.g. DL has/used to have a 772 running domestic flights just to remain as a spare for the NRT flight, if that aircraft goes mechanical.

How awesome. Unfortunately no domestic or European route on the AY route map could use a wide-body (except during the ski season HEL-Lapland)...



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User currently offlineKilljoy From Finland, joined Dec 1999, 646 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4575 times:



Quoting FFlyer (Reply 18):
What I have been reading on this forum, is that e.g. DL has/used to have a 772 running domestic flights just to remain as a spare for the NRT flight, if that aircraft goes mechanical.

Sure, but then it's actually busy earning money at the same time. Their network is much larger, so it's possible to do things like that.

Quoting Sailas (Reply 16):
I thought that was a great firecracker to my day lol:P actually id wish that too.... but where would that ever fit in routes? Bangkok on peak season?

Bangkok and China, plus India is becoming slot limited. TUI is currently flying a 744 to Phuket!

Quoting Sailas (Reply 16):
And as for the a330 order i
took it of our friend the very reliable wikipedia

I checked, and they currently have six original orders, one confirmed option and three options. So that's a maximum of 10, and minimum of 7. Not that far from what wikipedia said, actually.


User currently offlineS5LineATL From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 24 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3627 times:

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Quoting Tu154m (Reply 9):
Airlines and their respective executives have to realize that no matter how much they cost, or how many there are, aircraft mechanics are always going to be necessary to keep the aircraft, which make $$$$ for the companies, safe and airworthy.



Quoting Tu154m (Reply 9):
There should ALWAYS be time for Maintenance......there is just no good excuse not to allow for it.

AMEN Brother!!! Welcome to the first person on my (Respected User) list.



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User currently offlineSailas From Finland, joined Jul 2007, 288 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3445 times:



Quoting Killjoy (Reply 20):
Bangkok and China, plus India is becoming slot limited. TUI is currently flying a 744 to Phuket!

Yes i saw that a 744 flew from helsinki to phuket which is quite something. I like seeing helsinki grow Smile
I Didnt know India is becoming so slot limited, how many flights do finnair have in total to India? Delhi, Mumbai....?
Did AY ever consider the a380? And will it for the future? Eg. 2 planes, with sufficient turnaround time could do those routes?



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User currently offlineKilljoy From Finland, joined Dec 1999, 646 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2957 times:



Quoting Sailas (Reply 22):
Yes i saw that a 744 flew from helsinki to phuket which is quite something. I like seeing helsinki grow
I Didnt know India is becoming so slot limited, how many flights do finnair have in total to India? Delhi, Mumbai....?
Did AY ever consider the a380? And will it for the future? Eg. 2 planes, with sufficient turnaround time could do those routes?

AFAIK, they have 12 flights per week to India. The reason I think it's becoming slot limited is that Finnair said so  Smile

Someone said that you have to own at least six A380 before it makes sense to operate them. I'm not sure if it was Finnair. It's probably safe to say they're not considering it currently.

However, I don't think it's entirely unreasonable to hope that they might eventually. It's most likely going to be updated with A350 technology in about 10 years, and Finnair's network *might* have grown enough by then, if their strategy really works out.


User currently offlineTeme82 From Finland, joined Mar 2007, 1636 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2837 times:
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Quoting Killjoy (Reply 23):
However, I don't think it's entirely unreasonable to hope that they might eventually. It's most likely going to be updated with A350 technology in about 10 years, and Finnair's network *might* have grown enough by then, if their strategy really works out.

Same here. I do hope that then they got first class in use for the A380 if they ever get some  Wink



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User currently offlineSailas From Finland, joined Jul 2007, 288 posts, RR: 0
Reply 25, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2742 times:

Well lets hope a possible 6 orders later Wink Dow finnair consider first class a waste of space due ot lack of first class passengers or?


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