SSTsomeday From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 1283 posts, RR: 1 Posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2995 times:
I wanted to get your feedback on my trip back from Canada to the U.S. about a week ago.
I travelled from YYZ to LAX via ORD.
As per normal procedure, we went through U.S. Customs and Immigration in Toronto, called "pre-clearance," as well as Canadian security. Pre-clearance allows arriving passengers from Canada to have no further Immigration formalities at their destination; they arrive essentially as if it were a domestic flight.
The part that I was surprised about is, when we landed at ORD, my connecting flight to LAX was in the same concourse and I did not have to go through SECURITY again before I boarded. This means, apparently, that The U.S and Canada have some kind of protocol agreement that if connecting passengers have gone through Canadian security, they no longer need to go through American controlled TSA?
Although this was very convenient for me, I am surprised that the U.S., considering the present climate of security unrest, would defer autonomy and authority to another country's security procedures with regard to passengers boarding American flights.
(Traveling through Chicago last year from Germany, also on my way to L.A., I was put through a VERY long line of security in Chicago and would have missed my connection had it not been delayed. I would suggest that security protocols in Germany are extremely thorough...)
So is this agreement exclusively with Canada? Is it reciprocal? If so, how does Canada and the U.S. insure that each others security measures are up to the other country's standards, without inspection. And what if one country wishes to make an adjustment to protocols, such as whether shoes are removed, or how liquids are handled, or at what intensity the magnetometer machines are set? How do they come to agreement?
Frankly, I'm amazed that this cooperation exists. I'm not saying it's wrong, but this level of cooperation astounds me. It's rather like deferring your own law enforcement to that of another country, isn't it?
Apodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 4500 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2957 times:
This is an Apples to oranges comparison. The reason that most international passengers have to reclear security is not because TSA doesn't trust international security but because when you clear customs, you have accessed to checked baggage, which can contain items that you can't take through security. So they have to rescreen you just to make sure you didn't grab any of those items while clearing customs. Coming from canada, since the checked baggage is precleared and screened prior to the security checkpoint, there is no need to reclear security again.
Ikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 22175 posts, RR: 59
Reply 3, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2901 times:
Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 1): US preclearance is available in Canada, Bahamas, Bermuda, Aruba, and Ireland, that I know of.
Ireland isn't fully precleared. Someone else can explain the difference. And not all Canada airports are pre-cleared, only the main airports. Same holds for the Bahamas. The USVI also pre-clear for customs as there are duties imposed for overbuying.
Quoting Apodino (Reply 2): The reason that most international passengers have to reclear security is not because TSA doesn't trust international security
Very true, and when we don't "trust" the security measures at a foreign airport for any reason, we add a second security checkpoint just to be sure. It has little to do with the country involved, only the layout of the airport.
For example, different EU airports have different procedures, like at CDG the USA flights didn't have this extra security check on CO flights to the USA (but they do recheck your passport) because all the flights in that terminal are heading to the USA/Canada and they don't mix with arriving flights from other places and don't offer any access to luggage, but at HAM, where there is quite a bit of intermingling of pax throughout the terminals there is a secondary security check at the CO gate where you enter a "sterile" gate area with angry looking security personel. Same goes for SYD, where the QF USA flights are subjected to a second security check and then they wedge you into a too small sterile area of the terminal when 3 flights are departing. And yet all those pax must go through security again at EWR/LAX because of having access to their luggage.
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