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Strange US Airways Flight At Man On Acars  
User currently offlineZbb757 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2007, 44 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 9 months 2 hours ago) and read 6762 times:

Hi

I was looking on ACARS at flights at Manchester (MAN) for today and noticed this one

ACARS mode: 2 Aircraft reg: N177US [Airbus A321]
Message label: _ Block id: 7 Msg no: S83A
Flight id: US0735 [MAN-PHL-LAX] [US Airways]
----------------------------------------------------------[ 05/01/2008 21:27 ]-

Is this correct? I didnt know that anyone flew A321 across the pond. Or is it a ferry flght of sorts.

If it is a ferry flight does it make tech/fuel stops between MAN and PHL?

Any info would be good.

ZBB757


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User currently offlineMhodgson From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2002, 5047 posts, RR: 25
Reply 1, posted (6 years 9 months 1 hour ago) and read 6699 times:

Its an addon to the MAN-PHL flight; the PHL-LAX flight carries the same flight number despite having to change aircraft!

I believe it is to improve the flight in searches for flights between MAN and LAX as it means it shows up as direct!



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User currently offlineLrdc9 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 610 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 9 months 1 hour ago) and read 6656 times:

What's ACARS?
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User currently offlineBoysteve From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 940 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 9 months 1 hour ago) and read 6628 times:



Quoting Mhodgson (Reply 1):
Its an addon to the MAN-PHL flight; the PHL-LAX flight carries the same flight number despite having to change aircraft!

Yes I have heard this before, a couple of years ago the flight was shown as onwards to SFO. Personally I find it ridiculous that a change of aircraft can be hidden by using the same flight number. I read on another thread recently that this kind of thing is allowed in the USA but not in Europe.


User currently offlineGeorgebush From New Zealand, joined Jul 2006, 679 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 9 months ago) and read 6563 times:



Quoting Lrdc9 (Reply 2):
What's ACARS?

Aircraft Communication Addressing and Reporting System.

Pretty much the main air to ground data communication computer on board. Its best described as almost an extension of the Airlines CRS (Central Reservations System). It records the exact moment brakes are released and wheels are up, for "out" times and "off" times it updates the computer which in turn updates airline websites/flight view/ everything displaying flight times and delays. It also logs crew time for pay. Dispatch uses it to send flight releases to the pilots (the little printer you see spitting out papers). Crews will put in pax counts, payloads, ect to send to dispatch, and it will tell them trim settings, fuel requirements, and everything else. The pilots can even order a mocha cappuccino and it will make that (marshmallows available at airline's discretion). Its pretty much one of the most amazing systems on the a/c with the exemption of autopilot/auto-land.



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User currently offlineTravelExec From Spain, joined Dec 2007, 449 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 6456 times:



Quoting Mhodgson (Reply 1):
I believe it is to improve the flight in searches for flights between MAN and LAX as it means it shows up as direct

If I booked what I thought was a non-stop long-haul, and it turned out to be two legs I would go ballistic (especially if there was an alternative non-stop)! That would be a very sure way of getting on the list of airlines I would never book with again...


User currently offlinePhxplanes From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 436 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 6426 times:



Quoting TravelExec (Reply 5):
If I booked what I thought was a non-stop long-haul, and it turned out to be two legs I would go ballistic (especially if there was an alternative non-stop)! That would be a very sure way of getting on the list of airlines I would never book with again...

I may be wrong but I'm pretty sure its just a way to say the airline has a flight from a to b. When you are booking it will say one stop but since the flight number is the same the airline can advertise service between the two cities, not non-stop service though.


User currently offlineTravelExec From Spain, joined Dec 2007, 449 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 6409 times:



Quoting Phxplanes (Reply 6):
I may be wrong but I'm pretty sure its just a way to say the airline has a flight from a to b. When you are booking it will say one stop but since the flight number is the same the airline can advertise service between the two cities, not non-stop service though.

That would make sense... seems I was getting all worked up there over a non-issue...


User currently offlineMaverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 5653 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 6279 times:



Quoting Phxplanes (Reply 6):
When you are booking it will say one stop but since the flight number is the same the airline can advertise service between the two cities, not non-stop service though.

The term used is "direct flight", but it will list one or more stops. Example: You might see US399 direct flight from IND to DFW. However, it will list two stops, one in PHX and one in LAS. Usually LAS keeps the same a/c, but it changes equipment about half the time in PHX.



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User currently offlineZbb757 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2007, 44 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 6193 times:

Thanks guys thougt i was something strange.

ZBB757



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User currently offlineJayDub From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 6099 times:



Quoting Georgebush (Reply 4):
The pilots can even order a mocha cappuccino and it will make that (marshmallows available at airline's discretion).

I've had a couple of pilots try to order food via ACARS. I'm fairly certain the reply given was "Get it yourself...I'm not taking/making orders."  Smile


User currently offlineDavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7380 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 5986 times:



Quoting Boysteve (Reply 3):
Personally I find it ridiculous that a change of aircraft can be hidden by using the same flight number. I read on another thread recently that this kind of thing is allowed in the USA but not in Europe.

About the only comparison I can think of for a "similar" thing in the UK was back in winter 1994 when QF009A arrvived in the morning at MAN and departed as QF010A in the evening, with those services acting as feeder services for QF9/QF10. Those services were BA 737s; QF's latter "slot holder" operations had different flight numbers off the top of my head.


User currently offlineFI642 From Monaco, joined Mar 2005, 1079 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 4167 times:

LOL!!! I thought I was the only person who had the ACARS message for pizza!

I'm used to "we're late, did you change the limo pick-up" or "what's the score of the game"
message!!



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