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User currently offlineVC10er From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 2793 posts, RR: 10
Posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 3496 times:
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Any talk about varig joining an alliance? I assume star is over!


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User currently offlineTP727 From Brazil, joined May 2005, 136 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3455 times:

Hello VC10er,

I don´t think they are in shape for joining an alliance. They serve few cities, and up to now don´t seem to be in a hurry to serve many more. In my opinion, the only way they would be attractive to a global alliance such as One World or Sky Team, in a short time, is by codesharing with G3. Than they would be serving enough destinations.

Also their product standards must be a concern for other airlines. Domestic is in the same level as the other national carriers, but when it comes to the long haul international market their cabin is way below the competition, not only JJ, but all the rest. The 767s don´t have the appeal of newer acft, but that could be fixed with a better product, both in J and Y. After all, i may be wrong, but i don´t think many passengers know what type of plane they are getting in.

Gilson


User currently offlineCoal From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1944 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3392 times:



Quoting TP727 (Reply 1):
Also their product standards must be a concern for other airlines. Domestic is in the same level as the other national carriers, but when it comes to the long haul international market their cabin is way below the competition, not only JJ, but all the rest. The 767s don´t have the appeal of newer acft, but that could be fixed with a better product, both in J and Y. After all, i may be wrong, but i don´t think many passengers know what type of plane they are getting in.

If US is in *A, I can't imagine how Varig could not be let back in  wink 

But seriously, there is a big gap for Star in South America. Are they courting AV?

Cheers
Coal



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User currently offlineLH506 From Ecuador, joined May 2007, 461 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3283 times:



Quoting Coal (Reply 2):
But seriously, there is a big gap for Star in South America. Are they courting AV?

I don't think so. UA & TP have signed a codeshare agreement with JJ. LH has announced to do so. I guess in a matter of time JJ will join Star.
Then UA signed a codeshare with TA. LH has announced to do so, too. Probably TA will join one day.
Then there is AR. If Grupo Marsans buys Spanair and keeps Spanair in Star I could imagine that AR once it gets its service problems fixed, new a/c etc. moves closer to Star, too.

With these three Star petty much covered LA, except for Mexico.



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User currently offlineQazar From Canada, joined May 2006, 324 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2818 times:



Quoting Coal (Reply 2):
But seriously, there is a big gap for Star in South America. Are they courting AV?

Nope! Star members are slowly, cautiously but surely moving closer to TACA and TAM.

With TACA's hubs in Lima, San Salvador and San Jose de Costa Rica, they provide Star Alliance members adquate coverage for the northern part of South America.

Brazil is well covered by TAM.

I haven't heard anything about AVIANCA and Aerolinas Argentinas with regards to *A. I remember rumours about AR being courted by SkyTeam. In any case, I believe that TACA and TAM would be ample enough to provide Star Alliance with more than enough coverage in South America.

If you ask me, I believe *A should actually look into the Mexican market. I know it's a long shot to court Mexicana back but it is an important market - one of the most important in Latin America.

As for AVIANCA and Aerolinas Argentinas - well, if they are truly being considered for Star membership - the more the merrier.

Cheers!


User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7523 posts, RR: 43
Reply 5, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2747 times:



Quoting Coal (Reply 2):
If US is in *A, I can't imagine how Varig could not be let back in

But seriously, there is a big gap for Star in South America. Are they courting AV?

Hi Steve. Indeed SkyTeam and Star Alliance have a gap in South America, although SkyTeam now has CM which offers good coverage of South America from its PTY hub.

I believe RG might become in the future an interesting SkyTeam candidate provided that they increase their routes both domestically and internationally and prove the world that they are a reliable carrier with good service standards. A DL officer recently mentioned that they were looking at new partners in South America... somehow, I think RG could be one of them. As others have said, Star is probably interested in bagging JJ; surely the interest of UA, TP and LH in JJ and vice versa seem to indicate so.

With respect to AV, I always hoped that it would become a SkyTeam member, since it is already close to DL and AF-KL. However, I think AV's chances of joining SkyTeam vanished when CM was admitted as an associate member of the alliance. BOG and PTY are too close to each other and CM probably has a better hub-and-spoke operation than AV. In addition, CM has a subsidiary in Colombia, which is in direct competition with AV, so AV might find a better home in another alliance such as Star Alliance. Who knows... only time will tell.



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11365 posts, RR: 59
Reply 6, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2592 times:
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Quoting VC10er (Thread starter):
Any talk about varig joining an alliance? I assume star is over!

Their Commercial VP mentioned a couple weeks ago that in the near future they will try to increase partnerships with AF and DL. I believe in the near future RG/G3 will be part of SkyTeam.

Will be a nice addition for the alliance considering that RG/G3 flies to mostly South American Countries, covers EZE (from SCL, POA, FLN, GRU and GIG) as well as SCL, LIM, CCS and BOG.

And not to forget Brazil is probably responsible for the majority of South America Traffic, and together with CM (strong in Central America), will provide a very good coverage of the continent.

Felipe



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User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3651 posts, RR: 19
Reply 7, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2535 times:



Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 6):
Their Commercial VP mentioned a couple weeks ago that in the near future they will try to increase partnerships with AF and DL. I believe in the near future RG/G3 will be part of SkyTeam.

Will be a nice addition for the alliance considering that RG/G3 flies to mostly South American Countries, covers EZE (from SCL, POA, FLN, GRU and GIG) as well as SCL, LIM, CCS and BOG.

And not to forget Brazil is probably responsible for the majority of South America Traffic, and together with CM (strong in Central America), will provide a very good coverage of the continent.

Felipe

RG/G3 will be part of Skyteam, no doubt about it. Nevertheless, I see a problem in the horizon. The integration between RG and G3 will have to change substantially. I don't think that G3 will pose as a full member, only RG, but there is where it gets tricky. G3 flights will all have to carry RG codes and mileage redeemable when bought under RG code. As an innovation, G3 should start selling cold meals as a complementary service, so the airline downgrade isn't so impacting though.


User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7523 posts, RR: 43
Reply 8, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2245 times:



Quoting C010T3 (Reply 7):
I don't think that G3 will pose as a full member, only RG, but there is where it gets tricky. G3 flights will all have to carry RG codes and mileage redeemable when bought under RG code. As an innovation, G3 should start selling cold meals as a complementary service, so the airline downgrade isn't so impacting though.

Maybe it will suffice that RG takes over all G3 international routes plus G3's domestic routes where a premium class can be offered at a profit, and then RG would become a full SkyTeam member. In this scenario, I think, G3 would not be a member in any way. It would not be the first case where, of two sister companies, only the full-service one is in the alliance and the low cost is not. Look at Qantas and Jetstar, for example.

Just my two cents!



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User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3651 posts, RR: 19
Reply 9, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2081 times:



Quoting EddieDude (Reply 8):
Maybe it will suffice that RG takes over all G3 international routes plus G3's domestic routes where a premium class can be offered at a profit, and then RG would become a full SkyTeam member. In this scenario, I think, G3 would not be a member in any way. It would not be the first case where, of two sister companies, only the full-service one is in the alliance and the low cost is not. Look at Qantas and Jetstar, for example.

Just my two cents!

That would demand that either some aircraft are transferred from G3 to RG or that all G3 new deliveries are redirected to RG. The signs that that would happen are not there.


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