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KL Flight Returns To JNB With Engine Failure  
User currently offlineBrenintw From Taiwan, joined Jul 2006, 1569 posts, RR: 1
Posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 8197 times:

Radio reports from South Africa are stating that a KLM flight returned to JNB yesterday (7 Jan) due to an engine failure. Does anyone have more information?


I'm tired of the A vs. B sniping. Neither make planes that shed wings randomly!
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User currently offlineBrenintw From Taiwan, joined Jul 2006, 1569 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 8073 times:

Further information from the radio: according to a KLM spokesperson, the flight returned to JNB after 19 (maybe 90) minutes in the air, due to a "fire in the No 1 engine causing a vibration."

Not sure what that means -- an engine fire? Or simply a vibration?

http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_i...&art_id=nw20080107074602187C616552

Details in the news report are different to what I heard.



I'm tired of the A vs. B sniping. Neither make planes that shed wings randomly!
User currently offlineA390 From South Africa, joined Sep 2005, 204 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 8040 times:

All over the news now. Media !!  Sad
Looks like the aircraft had a problem with one of the engines and returned safely. Standard procedure !

http://www.news24.com/News24/South_A...a/News/0,,2-7-1442_2247390,00.html


User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2964 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 8002 times:

Given how tight the KL schedule is, i'm sure this will throw them out of kilter!


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User currently offlineJasondn From South Africa, joined Nov 2007, 202 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 7860 times:

Was this a 777 or a 747? KLM normally flies the B777 to CPT and to JHB. The reason for my confusion is that a South African news website says it was a B747.  Confused

User currently offlineJoost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3154 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 7857 times:



Quoting Jasondn (Reply 4):
Was this a 777 or a 747? KLM normally flies the B777 to CPT and to JHB. The reason for my confusion is that a South African news website says it was a B747. Confused

KLM usually flies a 777 to CPT, and a 747-combi to JNB.


User currently offlineA390 From South Africa, joined Sep 2005, 204 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 7838 times:

A B747, it is currently parked on Delta Apron

User currently offlineJasondn From South Africa, joined Nov 2007, 202 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 7798 times:

Thanks Joost and A390! Then it was a B747!

User currently onlineHB-IWC From Greece, joined Sep 2000, 4480 posts, RR: 72
Reply 8, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 7754 times:

Quoting Joost (Reply 5):
and a 747-combi to JNB

Indeed, but the aircraft in question yesterday was a full passenger aircraft, because of the high passenger loads on the route. The aircraft will stay at least 2 days in JNB. An up to date daily overview of KLM's longhaul irregularities can be found here.

[Edited 2008-01-07 02:35:41]

User currently onlineHB-IWC From Greece, joined Sep 2000, 4480 posts, RR: 72
Reply 9, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 7478 times:

The aircraft involved in this incident is PH-BFL. KLM is today flying spare parts to JNB on board its regular flight KL591 AMS JNB, which is being operated by a combi aircraft.

User currently offlinePHKLM From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Dec 2005, 1198 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 7341 times:



Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 9):
KLM is today flying spare parts to JNB on board its regular flight KL591 AMS JNB, which is being operated by a combi aircraft.

An entire engine? Does that fit in the back of the 74M? Or on the left wing on the special pod? (If even possible with the KLM 747's).
Or just spare parts?


User currently offlineFiatstilojtd From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 7252 times:



Quoting PHKLM (Reply 10):
An entire engine?

maybe they take the engine which they currently have on display in the Terminal as a Tourist Trap.

I wonder how long it will take until some of our armchair-ceo's will go to AMS make a pic in the B747 Cockpit (also on Display in the Terminal) with the rented Pilot-Uniform and claim that they are Captain or FO  Silly

fiatstilojtd


User currently offlineAndrewtang From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 461 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 7220 times:



Quoting PHKLM (Reply 10):
Or on the left wing on the special pod? (If even possible with the KLM 747's).

5th pod is unfortunately only possible on the 747 series for Rolls-Royce and Pratt & Whittney engines.


User currently offlinePHKLM From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Dec 2005, 1198 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 7144 times:



Quoting Fiatstilojtd (Reply 11):
I wonder how long it will take until some of our armchair-ceo's will go to AMS make a pic in the B747 Cockpit (also on Display in the Terminal) with the rented Pilot-Uniform and claim that they are Captain or FO

It's a DC-9


User currently onlineHB-IWC From Greece, joined Sep 2000, 4480 posts, RR: 72
Reply 14, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 7038 times:



Quoting PHKLM (Reply 10):
An entire engine? Does that fit in the back of the 74M?

I'm not sure about what is exactly been flown to JNB today, but I do know that, a couple of months ago, when KLM had an MD11 down with engine failure at Aruba, a B74M flew in an entire engine, only to discover that AUA didn't have the necessary equipment to unload the thing. The engine was then flown back to AMS and returned to AUA one day later together with the equipment to unload it at AUA.


User currently offlineReadytotaxi From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 3052 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 6793 times:



Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 14):

Now that has got to be wasted money?
Did no one make a phone call first? Geee!

Have been to Aruba couple of times but it never seemed that big in terms of maintenance.



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User currently offlineSK601 From Belgium, joined Jun 2005, 976 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 6337 times:



Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 14):
only to discover that AUA didn't have the necessary equipment to unload the thing

AUA does have a highloader. It only broke down while they wanted to unload the engine.

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 14):
The engine was then flown back to AMS and returned to AUA one day later together with the equipment to unload it at AUA.

There is no way they can fit an engine and a highloader in a B74M.

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 8):
An up to date daily overview of KLM's longhaul irregularities can be found here.

HB-IWC - interesting as always, but a few remarks on Sunday's performance: KL871 was indeed 1hr late, but not due "no aircraft available". The aircraft arrived earlier that morning, but had a extensive customs check/governmental inspection which delayed the turnaround proces (cleaning/catering etc). KL589 was indeed delayed due cleaning/aircraft servicing, but departed only 11 minutes late, not 1hr.


User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12326 posts, RR: 35
Reply 17, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 6193 times:

One of the news stories I read stated that the aircraft was carrying 419 (I think) pax and a crew of 18, which would be a 744 All-pax load (and a very good one too!). 'BFL is an all-pax acft, as opposed to a Combi.

Obviously a lucrative route for KL - I wonder how many pax were connecting at AMS?


User currently offlineSSTsomeday From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 1276 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4926 times:



Quoting A390 (Reply 6):
A B747, it is currently parked on Delta Apron

Hmmm - I suppose BA would have forged ahead and had to land in Madrid or something...


 duck 



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User currently offlinePW100 From Netherlands, joined Jan 2002, 2326 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4652 times:



Quoting PHKLM (Reply 10):
An entire engine? Does that fit in the back of the 74M?

Yes. It does fit. However you will have to split the fanmodule from the engine. Both the core engine and the fan module are shipped in specially designed pallets, and do fit very nicely into the 74M. Splitting and mating these two sections is basically standard procedure. A third crate will be shipped with special tools if not available at JNB. Much more convenient than the fifth pod, which hasn't been in use for decades [at least with KLM]. Engine change can be done at every outstation within 48 hours anywhere in the world, serviced from AMS.



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