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Air Tran To Reno?  
User currently offlineVulindlela744 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 521 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 8 months 23 hours ago) and read 3203 times:

Just heard from someone inside FL that Airtran's next city could be Reno. It is more than a rumor, I was told. With Frontier having pulled out I wouldn't be surprised one bit. Plus the fact that we are resuming deliveries of 737's next month (Feb) at the rate of almost one a month thru 2008. Stay tuned!!!!!

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User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5902 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (6 years 8 months 18 hours ago) and read 3122 times:
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Sounds like great news for RNO. When is FL going to fly SEA year-round???

User currently offlineDAYflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (6 years 8 months 18 hours ago) and read 3123 times:

Good news indeed. I wonder if they will also offer RNO-LAS besides RNO-ATL?


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User currently offlineDeltaDAWG From United States of America, joined May 2006, 776 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (6 years 8 months 18 hours ago) and read 3120 times:

RNO - from ATL? BWI? Year round or seasonal?

While RNO does not surprise me I thought I heard recently that FWA or BOI were poised to be the next destinations?



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User currently offlineQuickmover From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2494 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 8 months 17 hours ago) and read 3043 times:

After American bought out Reno Air, did anyone else fill the void after AA shrunk Reno operations? There might be an opportunity here.

User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17450 posts, RR: 46
Reply 5, posted (6 years 8 months 16 hours ago) and read 3007 times:

If F9 couldn't make RNO work I highly doubt FL has a chance


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User currently offlineQuickmover From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2494 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 8 months 16 hours ago) and read 2992 times:



Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 5):
If F9 couldn't make RNO work I highly doubt FL has a chance

Depends on where they fly to and FL's break even load factor. I would suspect that FL might have lower costs than F9. Doesn't mean RNO will work, but it helps.

I don't know how FL makes a profit here in DEN. Most FL cities have more than one destination and they try to fully utilize the station. I believe we are back to 3x to ATL and thats it.


User currently offlineFloridaflyboy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2010 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 8 months 16 hours ago) and read 2974 times:



Quoting DeltaDAWG (Reply 3):
I thought I heard recently that FWA or BOI were poised to be the next destinations

Although I've heard the rumor, too, I seriously doubt we'll see FL in BOI. It's simply not a big enough city. Delta already flies BOI-ATL for another thing.



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User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6126 posts, RR: 24
Reply 8, posted (6 years 8 months 15 hours ago) and read 2889 times:

Reno doesn't sound like a winner to me! If I lived in the East and had the money to got travel I am going to Las Vegas. Even DL only runs 1 flight daily to RNO and its a red-eye eastbound. I wish for FL to concentrate on daily SEA, adding PDX possibly.

Speaking of FL, anyone know how CAK-LAS is doing?

ASSFO



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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17450 posts, RR: 46
Reply 9, posted (6 years 8 months 14 hours ago) and read 2851 times:



Quoting AS739X (Reply 8):
Speaking of FL, anyone know how CAK-LAS is doing?

Axed last week Smile



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User currently offlineGr8SlvrFlt From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 1604 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (6 years 8 months 14 hours ago) and read 2842 times:

Axed last week

No it wasn't. All the new Las Vegas flights are doing well. I'm told they'll probably be kept year-round.


User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (6 years 8 months 14 hours ago) and read 2813 times:



Quoting AS739X (Reply 8):
Reno doesn't sound like a winner to me! If I lived in the East and had the money to got travel I am going to Las Vegas.

Personally, I much prefer Lake Tahoe over Reno or Las Vegas..


User currently offlineDAYflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (6 years 8 months 14 hours ago) and read 2790 times:



Quoting AirCop (Reply 11):
Personally, I much prefer Lake Tahoe over Reno

Isn't lake Tahoe served by the Reno airport?  duck 



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User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6126 posts, RR: 24
Reply 13, posted (6 years 8 months 14 hours ago) and read 2790 times:

After this weeks snow, you'd have the time of your life!!!!

ASSFO



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User currently offlineG4resagent From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 300 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 8 months 14 hours ago) and read 2790 times:

Why go to Reno when you can go to Vegas? There isn't much in Reno. The skiing is great, but the resorts compare nothing to Vegas.

RNO - LAS on FL? I doubt it, unless they want to compete with WN's 10+ daily flights. US only has two non-stops (one mainline and one Express).


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26450 posts, RR: 75
Reply 15, posted (6 years 8 months 14 hours ago) and read 2781 times:



Quoting Quickmover (Reply 4):


After American bought out Reno Air, did anyone else fill the void after AA shrunk Reno operations?

WN did.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 5):
If F9 couldn't make RNO work I highly doubt FL has a chance

I tend to agree. I wonder if F9 might go back to RNO once Lynx is going strong?

Quoting Quickmover (Reply 6):
I would suspect that FL might have lower costs than F9.

I wouldn't suspect that necessarily.

Quoting G4resagent (Reply 14):
The skiing is great, but the resorts compare nothing to Vegas.

Perhaps the casino resorts don't, but Tahoe is a much better place to take a relax and recreation type vacation.



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User currently offlineG4resagent From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 300 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 8 months 14 hours ago) and read 2769 times:



Quoting N1120A (Reply 15):
Perhaps the casino resorts don't, but Tahoe is a much better place to take a relax and recreation type vacation.

That I agree with. The Sierra Nevada mountains compare nothing to anything we have in Vegas. The only "recreation" we have is Lake Mead, Red Rock canyon, and the Valley of Fire. The nearest ski resort (not including the Las Vegas Ski and Snowboard resort) is Brian Head, which is a good 3 - 4 hour drive away.

Everytime I go to RNO, I laugh because it is a very "small town" airport, much like Reno is a "small town" compared to Vegas.


User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4667 posts, RR: 11
Reply 17, posted (6 years 8 months 13 hours ago) and read 2746 times:



Quoting Vulindlela744 (Thread starter):
Plus the fact that we are resuming deliveries of 737's next month (Feb) at the rate of almost one a month thru 2008.


Did they bump it back up? I had heard only limited growth in 08, like only 8 planes



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26450 posts, RR: 75
Reply 18, posted (6 years 8 months 13 hours ago) and read 2716 times:



Quoting G4resagent (Reply 16):
much like Reno is a "small town" compared to Vegas.

Well, Reno is the "Biggest Little City on Earth".  Wink



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User currently offlineVulindlela744 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 521 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 8 months 9 hours ago) and read 2557 times:

Remember one thing....Vegas is about gambling and entertainment. Reno is the gateway for all the ski resorts in the Lake Tahoe area. It's a different market. And regarding WN having 10 n/s a day, that may be so. But the only carrier from ATL is DL. We would drop the average fare for the market and do very well. Wait and see. WN does not even serve ATL.

User currently offlineG4resagent From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 300 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 8 months 9 hours ago) and read 2521 times:



Quoting Vulindlela744 (Reply 19):
WN does not even serve ATL

I wasn't referring to WN serving ATL. I was referring to WN's LAS-RNO service. If FL decided to do RNO service, it would probably not include service to LAS.


User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5412 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (6 years 8 months 7 hours ago) and read 2459 times:

Perhaps some numbers might add some clarity to the RNO-ATL discussion: DOT figures show, for the first quarter of 2007, 118 O&D pax/day travel both ways between the 2 cities; that's just under 60 people per day in each direction. (For summer of 2006, the 3rd quarter, there were a reported 113 pax/day.) Certainly not huge numbers of local passengers.

Of course DL will also carry connecting traffic (as would FL, to a much lesser degree) but, judging by the limited DL service, their one flight is adequate to handle local and connecting passengers. And, IMHO, adequate to handle all n/s traffic between the 2 cities.

I think FL probably has other cities higher on the "to-serve" list than Reno and unless they can identify some unusual market out of RNO that they could connect, like, I don't know, IND, BWI, MKE or MCO for example (none of which I would think would merit n/s service), I would be surprised to see anything happen.

Now if AirTran took a giant leap from their senses and decided to start flying up and down and around the west coast, maybe they could go head-to-head with both AS and WN and use RNO as a "hub" (a la RenoAir), flying SAN/ONT/LAX/SFO-RNO-PDX/SEA but I don't really think they would be that stupid...

I agree that LAS and RNO really are very different non-competing markets but I also think that RNO really is not that much of a destination (for air travelers.) I believe that the last several years have seen a gradual decline in overall service at RNO. Also, whenever multiple carriers completely pull out of a market, e.g., both NW and F9, it's usually not a good sign of growth potential in the area...

bb


User currently offlineReno757 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 26 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 8 months 5 hours ago) and read 2373 times:

First i will start with F9 there one and only flight came in late at night and left early in the morning not good for one flight . next NW why they left when they had 94% full flights i cant understand plus they were the only ones flying MSP-RNO they had a monoply on that route. with the growth that we are having in Reno Sparks area and northern Nevada and the Truckee Lake Tahoe area im surprised they have left. just let you know the Reno-Sparks area is almost 400000 population. now to FL flying here they could make it happen I personaly would like to see them here especialy a RNO-MSP run.

User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5412 posts, RR: 12
Reply 23, posted (6 years 8 months 4 hours ago) and read 2321 times:



Quoting Reno757 (Reply 22):
First i will start with F9 there one and only flight came in late at night and left early in the morning not good for one flight . next NW why they left when they had 94% full flights i cant understand plus they were the only ones flying MSP-RNO they had a monoply on that route. with the growth that we are having in Reno Sparks area and northern Nevada and the Truckee Lake Tahoe area im surprised they have left. just let you know the Reno-Sparks area is almost 400000 population. now to FL flying here they could make it happen I personaly would like to see them here especialy a RNO-MSP run.

Reno757, I see you are fairly new to A.net and I welcome you.

I also want to let you know as gently as possible that your post would be a lot more readable and probably taken much more seriously if you would learn (or use) basic English grammar skills like capitalization, spelling, and punctuation. (I personally do not normally read posts such as yours that are essentially one, run-on sentence and are not usually worth the effort to try turning into something understandable.)

As to your points, which I assume are in response to my earlier post, the timing of the F9 flight sounds perfect to me; in SAN or almost anywhere on the west coast, that would be the prime timing for a carrier with only 1 flight a day. (I can provide several recent examples in San Diego.) I don't think Frontier could have given RNO a better turnaround.

I assume NW left due to low yields. Anyone who's read more than 5 threads here on A.net knows that LF has very little to do with the profitability of flights. A full flight (with 100% of the seats occupied) can easily be losing money.

I have heard that the economy in the Reno area is, well, let's say stagnant, and that once the snow in the Sierras melts (which might be July with what's up there now!), there is not a lot to attract large numbers of tourists to the area. The fact that at least 2 different (living!) carriers in the last 2 years have decided to take their resources elsewhere just confirms to me that things, at least from a commercial aviation viewpoint, are not healthy in that area.

I personally love the Tahoe area, I am sorry that QQ went the way of so many wonderful airlines, and I enjoy visiting Reno every few years if I'm in the neighborhood. I just don't think a lot of new air service is needed there these days and with oil prices where they are, carriers will be selecting new stations very carefully.

Again, I sincerely welcome you to A.net.

bb


User currently offlineTravatl From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2173 posts, RR: 7
Reply 24, posted (6 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2145 times:

I've also heard RNO, in addition to ABQ, OKC or TUL, and PDX.

25 RL757PVD : They will win my business when the finally come to PVD. With one other person it costs just as much to rent a plane and fly ATL-PVD than it is to fly
26 D328 : Are we in English class? It's a forum, so you could lay off a little. Does it really matter how he was typing on here? His post was not anymore diffi
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