Vulindlela744 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 531 posts, RR: 0 Posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3441 times:
Just heard from someone inside FL that Airtran's next city could be Reno. It is more than a rumor, I was told. With Frontier having pulled out I wouldn't be surprised one bit. Plus the fact that we are resuming deliveries of 737's next month (Feb) at the rate of almost one a month thru 2008. Stay tuned!!!!!
AS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6263 posts, RR: 24
Reply 8, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3127 times:
Reno doesn't sound like a winner to me! If I lived in the East and had the money to got travel I am going to Las Vegas. Even DL only runs 1 flight daily to RNO and its a red-eye eastbound. I wish for FL to concentrate on daily SEA, adding PDX possibly.
Speaking of FL, anyone know how CAK-LAS is doing?
"Some pilots avoid storm cells and some play connect the dots!"
G4resagent From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 300 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3007 times:
Quoting N1120A (Reply 15): Perhaps the casino resorts don't, but Tahoe is a much better place to take a relax and recreation type vacation.
That I agree with. The Sierra Nevada mountains compare nothing to anything we have in Vegas. The only "recreation" we have is Lake Mead, Red Rock canyon, and the Valley of Fire. The nearest ski resort (not including the Las Vegas Ski and Snowboard resort) is Brian Head, which is a good 3 - 4 hour drive away.
Everytime I go to RNO, I laugh because it is a very "small town" airport, much like Reno is a "small town" compared to Vegas.
Vulindlela744 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 531 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2795 times:
Remember one thing....Vegas is about gambling and entertainment. Reno is the gateway for all the ski resorts in the Lake Tahoe area. It's a different market. And regarding WN having 10 n/s a day, that may be so. But the only carrier from ATL is DL. We would drop the average fare for the market and do very well. Wait and see. WN does not even serve ATL.
SANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5850 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2697 times:
Perhaps some numbers might add some clarity to the RNO-ATL discussion: DOT figures show, for the first quarter of 2007, 118 O&D pax/day travel both ways between the 2 cities; that's just under 60 people per day in each direction. (For summer of 2006, the 3rd quarter, there were a reported 113 pax/day.) Certainly not huge numbers of local passengers.
Of course DL will also carry connecting traffic (as would FL, to a much lesser degree) but, judging by the limited DL service, their one flight is adequate to handle local and connecting passengers. And, IMHO, adequate to handle all n/s traffic between the 2 cities.
I think FL probably has other cities higher on the "to-serve" list than Reno and unless they can identify some unusual market out of RNO that they could connect, like, I don't know, IND, BWI, MKE or MCO for example (none of which I would think would merit n/s service), I would be surprised to see anything happen.
Now if AirTran took a giant leap from their senses and decided to start flying up and down and around the west coast, maybe they could go head-to-head with both AS and WN and use RNO as a "hub" (a la RenoAir), flying SAN/ONT/LAX/SFO-RNO-PDX/SEA but I don't really think they would be that stupid...
I agree that LAS and RNO really are very different non-competing markets but I also think that RNO really is not that much of a destination (for air travelers.) I believe that the last several years have seen a gradual decline in overall service at RNO. Also, whenever multiple carriers completely pull out of a market, e.g., both NW and F9, it's usually not a good sign of growth potential in the area...
Reno757 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 26 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2611 times:
First i will start with F9 there one and only flight came in late at night and left early in the morning not good for one flight . next NW why they left when they had 94% full flights i cant understand plus they were the only ones flying MSP-RNO they had a monoply on that route. with the growth that we are having in Reno Sparks area and northern Nevada and the Truckee Lake Tahoe area im surprised they have left. just let you know the Reno-Sparks area is almost 400000 population. now to FL flying here they could make it happen I personaly would like to see them here especialy a RNO-MSP run.
SANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5850 posts, RR: 12
Reply 23, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2559 times:
Quoting Reno757 (Reply 22): First i will start with F9 there one and only flight came in late at night and left early in the morning not good for one flight . next NW why they left when they had 94% full flights i cant understand plus they were the only ones flying MSP-RNO they had a monoply on that route. with the growth that we are having in Reno Sparks area and northern Nevada and the Truckee Lake Tahoe area im surprised they have left. just let you know the Reno-Sparks area is almost 400000 population. now to FL flying here they could make it happen I personaly would like to see them here especialy a RNO-MSP run.
Reno757, I see you are fairly new to A.net and I welcome you.
I also want to let you know as gently as possible that your post would be a lot more readable and probably taken much more seriously if you would learn (or use) basic English grammar skills like capitalization, spelling, and punctuation. (I personally do not normally read posts such as yours that are essentially one, run-on sentence and are not usually worth the effort to try turning into something understandable.)
As to your points, which I assume are in response to my earlier post, the timing of the F9 flight sounds perfect to me; in SAN or almost anywhere on the west coast, that would be the prime timing for a carrier with only 1 flight a day. (I can provide several recent examples in San Diego.) I don't think Frontier could have given RNO a better turnaround.
I assume NW left due to low yields. Anyone who's read more than 5 threads here on A.net knows that LF has very little to do with the profitability of flights. A full flight (with 100% of the seats occupied) can easily be losing money.
I have heard that the economy in the Reno area is, well, let's say stagnant, and that once the snow in the Sierras melts (which might be July with what's up there now!), there is not a lot to attract large numbers of tourists to the area. The fact that at least 2 different (living!) carriers in the last 2 years have decided to take their resources elsewhere just confirms to me that things, at least from a commercial aviation viewpoint, are not healthy in that area.
I personally love the Tahoe area, I am sorry that QQ went the way of so many wonderful airlines, and I enjoy visiting Reno every few years if I'm in the neighborhood. I just don't think a lot of new air service is needed there these days and with oil prices where they are, carriers will be selecting new stations very carefully.