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Next SQ A380 In Mid-January  
User currently offlineFlying-Tiger From Germany, joined Aug 1999, 4161 posts, RR: 36
Posted (6 years 8 months 13 hours ago) and read 19447 times:

Some interesting info:

- The next A380 für Singapore Airlines will be delivered in about two weeks in mid-January.
- So far SQ´s A380 has performed over 100 flights without any technical delay.
- SQ´s first three A380s are sold-and-leased back to the German Dr. Peters-Group, specialist in fonds financing. Volume for these first three A380 is around 600 million USD, which comes down to about 200 million USD as price for one SQ A380.

Source is the Financial Times Deutschland.


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User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13742 posts, RR: 19
Reply 1, posted (6 years 8 months 13 hours ago) and read 19434 times:

Article from the Financial Times Deutschland

http://www.ftd.de/unternehmen/industrie/:Zweiter%20Riesenairbus/300100.html



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User currently offlineSpeedyGonzales From Norway, joined Sep 2007, 729 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 8 months 12 hours ago) and read 19399 times:

Their 5th plane, MSN 010 has been ferried to Hamburg:
http://www.planepictures.net/netshow.php?id=706762



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User currently offlineMaddy From Germany, joined Aug 2004, 164 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 8 months 12 hours ago) and read 19370 times:

According to that article the second A380 may be delivered at the end of THIS week, 2 weeks ahead of schedule.

User currently offlineZeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 9041 posts, RR: 75
Reply 4, posted (6 years 8 months 12 hours ago) and read 19210 times:

"the second Airbus A380 aircraft ordered by Singapore Airlines at the end of the week, some two weeks earlier than planned"

"will receive the third A380 at the end of February"

http://www.forbes.com/afxnewslimited...eds/afx/2008/01/07/afx4499663.html

Quoting Flying-Tiger (Thread starter):
Volume for these first three A380 is around 600 million USD, which comes down to about 200 million USD as price for one SQ A380

What was the list price in 2000/2001 ? 230 million ?

Remember people on here claiming customers were paying 150 million a frame.



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User currently offlineArt From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 3382 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (6 years 8 months 11 hours ago) and read 18955 times:



Quoting Zeke (Reply 4):
Remember people on here claiming customers were paying 150 million a frame.

IIRC the lowest price that some claimed to have heard of was $140 million or less. Do I remember $135 million being mentioned in some discussion here?

I am wondering how many customer A380 frames are sitting on the tarmac in Toulouse and Hamburg now. If it is say 13, then those should all be shipped this year. In the meantime I imagine that more than 1 new A380 per month will be assembled this year, leaving how many sitting on the tarmac at the end of 2008?


User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2968 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (6 years 8 months 10 hours ago) and read 18810 times:

Sale and Leaseback's don't always happen at the price the airline 'pays' for it, sometimes they try and book a small profit on the plane as well in exchange for a slightly higher lease rental. Nice on the books!


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User currently offlineDanny From Poland, joined Apr 2002, 3509 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (6 years 8 months 10 hours ago) and read 18687 times:



Quoting Flying-Tiger (Thread starter):
Volume for these first three A380 is around 600 million USD, which comes down to about 200 million USD as price for one SQ A380.

Yet another myth of this forum gone?  Wink


User currently offlineWILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 9004 posts, RR: 76
Reply 8, posted (6 years 8 months 10 hours ago) and read 18649 times:
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Quoting Maddy (Reply 3):
According to that article the second A380 may be delivered at the end of THIS week, 2 weeks ahead of schedule.

2 weeks ahead of schedule, but 2 years late in total Big grin

Quoting SpeedyGonzales (Reply 2):

nice picture there! nice capture!

How many weeks/ months will it take until all SQ 380 are delivered? And how many did they order? Sorry, forgot Big grin

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User currently offlineAutoThrust From Switzerland, joined Jun 2006, 1595 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (6 years 8 months 7 hours ago) and read 18054 times:

IMO this is interesting:

Quote:
Im direkten Vergleich zum Boeing-Jumbo 747 versuchen, die Kunden ihre Buchung auf den A380 zu legen

Translation : In direct comparison to the 747, the customers prefer to book on the A380.


Maybe this is just the hype about the A380 maybe not, we will see. But passengers sure will enjoy the quitness and smoothness, space on the A380.


Anyway this are good news as we can soon see the next A380 flying for SQ.



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User currently offlineMontereytom From Greece, joined May 2007, 31 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 8 months 7 hours ago) and read 18043 times:



Quoting WILCO737 (Reply 8):

They've odered 19 and most of them are due for delivery by the end of 2010.



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User currently offlineFilton216 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 94 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 8 months 7 hours ago) and read 17992 times:



Quoting WILCO737 (Reply 8):


Quoting Maddy (Reply 3):
According to that article the second A380 may be delivered at the end of THIS week, 2 weeks ahead of schedule.

2 weeks ahead of schedule, but 2 years late in total

It may be 2 years late but it does look like they have all the problems solved and are beginning to speed the process up.

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User currently offlineWILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 9004 posts, RR: 76
Reply 12, posted (6 years 8 months 7 hours ago) and read 17860 times:
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Quoting Montereytom (Reply 10):
They've odered 19 and most of them are due for delivery by the end of 2010.

Thanks for the info  thumbsup 

Quoting Filton216 (Reply 11):
It may be 2 years late but it does look like they have all the problems solved and are beginning to speed the process up.

Finally!  Wink But it looks like the SQ380 is doing fine so far! And as I dont like Airbus a lot, I still wish them good luck with the further 380 and 350 programm!

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User currently offlineFiatstilojtd From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (6 years 8 months 7 hours ago) and read 17852 times:



Quoting WILCO737 (Reply 8):
2 weeks ahead of schedule, but 2 years late in total



Quoting Filton216 (Reply 11):
It may be 2 years late but it does look like they have all the problems solved and are beginning to speed the process up.

filton216

Nah, everybody knows that Phil is an old Airbus Basher  Wink....nah maybe not that old  Big grin


User currently offlineWILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 9004 posts, RR: 76
Reply 14, posted (6 years 8 months 7 hours ago) and read 17766 times:
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Quoting Fiatstilojtd (Reply 13):
Nah, everybody knows that Phil is an old Airbus Basher Wink....nah maybe not that old Big grin

Well, Airbus Basher is true, but OLD ?!  mad   talktothehand   Big grin

But I must say: I never wished them something bad! I never said: get bancrupt or something like that! I am not mean! I just dont like Airbus as much as I do like Boeing  cloudnine 

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User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30928 posts, RR: 87
Reply 15, posted (6 years 8 months 7 hours ago) and read 17739 times:
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Quoting Flying-Tiger (Thread starter):
SQ´s first three A380s are sold-and-leased back to the German Dr. Peters-Group, specialist in fonds financing. Volume for these first three A380 is around 600 million USD, which comes down to about 200 million USD as price for one SQ A380.



Quoting Zeke (Reply 4):
Remember people on here claiming customers were paying 150 million a frame.



Quoting Danny (Reply 7):
Yet another myth of this forum gone? Wink

This sounds like SQ sold each plane to Dr. Peters-Group for $200 million and not that SQ bought them from Airbus for $200 million each. So I don't think one can use this as a definitive statement of what SQ paid except as the top-end.


And good news that deliveries are ahead of schedule.

[Edited 2008-01-07 07:47:54]

User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21516 posts, RR: 60
Reply 16, posted (6 years 8 months 7 hours ago) and read 17706 times:



Quoting AutoThrust (Reply 9):
Translation : In direct comparison to the 747, the customers prefer to book on the A380.

A brand new, state of the art interior A380 vs. SQs older product, on their way out 744? Sure. No brainer.

But put the same amenities in both, the preference will drop. For example, I don't think the average customer at LH is going to find the A380 far superior to the 748 or vice versa. They'll both be new and state of the art from the pax perspective. But A380 will always have wider Y seats, so that will never change.



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User currently offlineFiatstilojtd From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (6 years 8 months 7 hours ago) and read 17705 times:



Quoting WILCO737 (Reply 14):
If it aint Boeing, I am not Going!!

You already flew with (LH) A340....so  scratchchin 

Quoting WILCO737 (Reply 14):
but OLD ?! mad talktothehand Big grin

Look:

Quoting Fiatstilojtd (Reply 13):
nah maybe not that old Big grin

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User currently offlineDanny From Poland, joined Apr 2002, 3509 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (6 years 8 months 7 hours ago) and read 17637 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 15):
Quoting Danny (Reply 7):
Yet another myth of this forum gone? Wink

This sounds like SQ sold each plane to Dr. Peters-Group for $200 million and not that SQ bought them from Airbus for $200 million each. So I don't think one can use this as a definitive statement of what SQ paid except as the top-end.

I did not say that SQ definitely paid $200M per A380 but that indicates that they did not pay only $120-150M as some suggested here before.

[Edited 2008-01-07 07:49:03]

User currently offlineWILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 9004 posts, RR: 76
Reply 19, posted (6 years 8 months 7 hours ago) and read 17638 times:
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Quoting Fiatstilojtd (Reply 17):
You already flew with (LH) A340....so scratchchin

Yeah, couldnt avoid it Big grin and when I check my flightmemory, theres a lot of AIrbus in there  scared 


and once the A380 is in service at LH, I guess I will be flying with it sooner or later...

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User currently offlineJoni From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (6 years 8 months 6 hours ago) and read 17414 times:



Quoting Danny (Reply 18):

I did not say that SQ definitely paid $200M per A380 but that indicates that they did not pay only $120-150M as some suggested here before.

The contract price is confidential, and it's almost impossible to separate what the "plane" costs and which part of the contract bottom line is spares, maintenance, training etc.


User currently offlineAutoThrust From Switzerland, joined Jun 2006, 1595 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (6 years 8 months 6 hours ago) and read 17395 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 16):
A brand new, state of the art interior A380 vs. SQs older product, on their way out 744? Sure. No brainer.

The point is that so many people which mostly don't have a clue about planes know about the A380 and its quality's.

While i don't doubt the 748 will be as well very comfortable i doubt a lot of people will notice that a new modern 747-type is available.

Don't get me wrong, nothing against the 747 i love it and enjoyed every flight but the A380 will still be quiter and roomier then the 748.



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10893 posts, RR: 37
Reply 22, posted (6 years 8 months 6 hours ago) and read 17220 times:

I wonder when SQ will open the Singapore/Heathrow flights. Any idea?
I want to be on board the opening flight.
Seems they have not announced anything yet.

I doubt they can do the SIN-LHR-SIN rounds with only one frame.

9V-SKA (my A380) does the Singapore/Sydney rounds. Now I wonder if they can do the whole Kangaroo route Singapore-London-Sydney and back on only two aircrafts. Seems that they would need 3.



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User currently offlineDubliftment From Germany, joined Sep 2007, 56 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 8 months 5 hours ago) and read 16694 times:



Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 22):
Seems that they would need 3.

they're going to have three by the end of february, so it might work out then.


User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12438 posts, RR: 37
Reply 24, posted (6 years 8 months 4 hours ago) and read 15806 times:



Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 22):
I wonder when SQ will open the Singapore/Heathrow flights. Any idea?
I want to be on board the opening flight.
Seems they have not announced anything yet.

I doubt they can do the SIN-LHR-SIN rounds with only one frame.

I believe they have already announced plans to do the overnight (SQ 322) to LHR and the early departure from LHR (SQ 317, I think - the 11am departure) with a 380. That should be from mid-Feb. As far as I'm aware, LHR is the next route on the list for SIA A380 service.


25 Post contains images MadameConcorde : The first SIN/LHR A380 flights will be SQ322/317 but the question is when? I should try the SQ site and see if they are in the system as 380 flights.
26 Ncfc99 : I have read somewhere that they will not start the LHR flight until they have 3 frames as this is what they need for the kangaroo route, so that woul
27 N104UA : I heard that 9V-SKB it was supposed to be delivered tomorrow 8JAN2008. Can anyone conform that?
28 KELPkid : Maybe slightly off-topic, but I will be transiting through SIN on 20 March this year (I'm booked on SQ 1, connecting to PEN). What are my chances of
29 N104UA : it depens what time you are on the ground and if the A380 is on schedule
30 Zvezda : Actually the sale price in the leaseback agreement virtually never has anything to do with the original sale price because the leasing company has no
31 Post contains images Amigocharlie : Thats indeed interesting. Why? Cause thats exactly what i did. Although it means a 12 hour stopover in SIN for me. I quess a lot of people do it. Who
32 Post contains images KELPkid : Anyone know which gates the 380's will be using? I'm sure that not every gate in SQ's terminal at SIN (I could be wrong, though ) is capable of handl
33 NorthstarBoy : Assuming SQ can afford to buy their A380s outright, why sell them to a lessor and make things more complicated? why not buy them outright and retain o
34 KELPkid : SQ has very smart management, I'd be very suprised if 9V-SKB gets parked for a while. I'm guessing that she'll get subbed in on some 744 routes to gi
35 Mariner : That's true, it may not. But it should reflect something close to what the acquiring company believes the value of the aircraft to be, at least to th
36 A340TLS : I've just driven along Airbus delivery center in Toulouse: 9V-SKB is there since this morning. This does not mean that this aircraft will be delivered
37 N104UA : I believe it is F31 and SingaporeAirlines.com says it will be on the ground from 1345-2030 but that could change because by then they should be flyin
38 Post contains images R2rho : This is quite possible. I saw SQ's second A380 last night sitting at the delivery center here in TLS, all shiny and ready to go
39 Post contains images KELPkid : Thanks for the report, and welcome to the A.net forums
40 Zvezda : A clause that gives SQ the right to buy it from the lessor at a specified price. What an aircraft is worth to the lessor is determined by the lease r
41 Singapore_Air : Perhaps but it doesn't seem to be scheduled to do anything. Though obviously there are many ad-hoc flights that it could do. Capacity dumping is the
42 Post contains images KELPkid : I'd imagine, though, that it takes quite a while to turn the world's largest commercial aircraft...think about how many bags and how many catered goo
43 Singapore_Air : SQ SYD turns the A380 around in approximately 100 minutes.
44 Mariner : As I said before, I am not disputing that. But it is extremely unlikely that any acquiring company would put an asset on their books with a value tha
45 Post contains images Glideslope : Or, devaluation based on global currency re-alignments.
46 Mariner : Just another variable, of which there are many. Singapore Airlines undoubtedly gets a better deal than (say) Ozjet. But - finally - the value of any
47 Post contains images Abba : Sure, the original price is not known by the leasing company (even though a few here on a.net seems to know for sure what it was ). However, they wil
48 Mariner : Certainly he has a point, as I've said, about the difference between price paid and price sold (be it on a leaseback deal). My house - today - is "wo
49 RayChuang : I think right now once SQ gets three A380-800's, they will start using them on the SYD-SIN-LHR route. I do think SQ's next possible long route for the
50 Post contains images MadameConcorde : I wonder if Captain Ting and Captain Peacock --the two most senior SQ 380 captains-- will be flying the Big Girl from TLS to Singapore?
51 OldAeroGuy : Except to Airbus when it comes to paying the bills and hopefully making a profit.
52 Mariner : Well - yes. Of course. But I have not read that Airbus is a party to the (financial) deal under discussion, between Singapore and Dr. Peters Group, u
53 LTU932 : Don't forget the photo flight prior to delivery. It may then get the test registration back, but for the photo flight, the aircraft flies with the fu
54 Post contains links OldAeroGuy : Quoting Mariner (Reply 54): But I have not read that Airbus is a party to the (financial) deal under discussion, between Singapore and Dr. Peters Grou
55 Zvezda : Yes, the price SQ paid is irrelevant and the current perceived market value has some relevance, but the terms of the lease deal are more important th
56 Danny : In case of a new aircraft the lessor usually not only knows the price but actually pays it directly to the manufacturer.
57 Aviasian : It is a marketing disaster to build up awareness in a market . . . and then pull the plane off that route just to operate on another route (duplicati
58 FAEDC3 : You have to keep in mind that SQ is a public company that has to report their moves internationally to their shareholders. Previously, statements wil
59 Mariner : I've never said otherwise, I've made no comment about that, or about taxes, or write-downs or cost of money - if such exists, either actual or booked
60 FAEDC3 : I haven't said that you were wrong either Mariner... in fact you're right on the fact that the assets must have a close relationship with the perceiv
61 Zeke : I am inclined to think a lease company would have paid less than what SQ pad Airbus, and less that what it cost to get it in its premium condition. N
62 Post contains images Mariner : No, I know. I was just making the point that my statement was only what I said. Nothing more - and equally, nothing less. mariner
63 Asiaflyer : SIN Terminal 3 will open tomorrow, Jan 9, from where the flights to Europe as well as Australia will depart. That will give SQ 8 new A380 gates to us
64 NorthstarBoy : I guess what doesn't make sense to me is, SQ pays 200m for an A380, so it's paid for, they then turn around and sell it to this German finance compan
65 Bombayhog : Obviously a deal like this is quite complicated, but just think about it this way: say SQ paid 140 million for the aircraft and then sold it to the l
66 Post contains images Lightsaber : First, Congratulations to SQ for launching A380 commercial flights and expanding their offerings! I find it funny that we finally have a 2nd plane tha
67 QFYMML : A little extra info I'm not sure how it all fits in with delivery schedules & fleet planning but sometime during the week of 26th April to 3rd May the
68 BlueFlyer : Let me expand a little on your own example to see if I can shed some light on this. Say you were actually renting your Rav4 to customers for $900 a m
69 Zvezda : Singapore has no capital gains tax. There are financing leases and there are capitalization leases. Do you know which this is? There not being a spot
70 Abba : That is indeed an interresting piece information.
71 Klkla : It doesn't mean anything of the sort. The price they sold to the leasing company is not related to what they paid to Airbus in any way shape or form.
72 Ceph : Perhaps they may put the A380 on gate B2 where it can be seen from the viewing gallery by the general public just like F31.
73 Osiris30 : $200M all in, including interior.. (a lease back otherwise would be assinine) which isn't included in list price and is EASILY $40M a frame for somet
74 Post contains links MadameConcorde : Hi Ncfc, my SQ380 inaugural/birthday on board trip report is here: On My Way To Sydney And SQ380 Trip Report - Part 3 (by MadameConcorde Nov 15 2007 i
75 Post contains links and images Danny : Quoting Klkla (Reply 71): The price they sold to the leasing company is not related to what they paid to Airbus in any way shape or form. If your stat
76 Scouseflyer : it has been suggested on here that Easyjet is doing exactly that with its A319 many of which are sold and leased back on delivery as Easyjet got a ve
77 Shenzhen : If SQ purchased the airplanes for 150 million in 2000 with escalation at 4 percent, then the price today would be around 200 million. You can't compa
78 Post contains images Asiaflyer : It might not be as stupid as it looks at a first glance. If todays market value of the plane is 200 MUSD, then it is a fair price for the lessor to a
79 Danny : Must be yet another a.net myth as those profits are nowhere to be seen in the easyjet financials. Financial statements are not discounted. If SQ buy
80 Post contains images Sebolino : He he. When you're employer will tell you to fly on an Airbus, you will !!
81 Post contains links Mariner : That's the point I was making. But there is a spanner in the works - the media reports may be inaccurate: German Investment Fund To Buy 3 A380s . (by
82 Post contains images Ikramerica : As soon as they get into their seat, if it is truly a new product, they will notice and say: 'gee, this is a nice plane.' Then the F/A, if the airlin
83 GBan : The translation is correct. If the referenced article is correct the leasing company has in fact paid 200M USD per aircraft (to Airbus). I think you'
84 Mariner : Thanks about the translation. It (the article) is a very interesting development. mariner
85 Rheinbote : I expect it to be delivered end of NEXT week... Come on Zeke, you are well aware that the deal struck with the leasing company bears absolutely no co
86 Post contains images A342 : Guess what, there are billions of those people!
87 Post contains links GBan : Apparently there have been no previous owners. Either this link http://www.manager-magazin.de/geld/geldanlage/0,2828,527307,00.html is just plain wro
88 Ikramerica : Very true. but you missed the point. They can't tell the difference from the OUTSIDE, but once they get in one, they assume that ALL A320s have 36" o
89 Post contains images Astuteman : The A380 pax might not shout their experiences at you quite so loudly..... And a look at the SQ seat layouts indicates that this may be a key advanta
90 Post contains images Zvezda : Could a journalist not specializing in aviation misreport something? If it's possible, has it ever happened?
91 Klkla : I don't know what the financial reporting rules are for Singapore and doubt you do either. In the U.S. you would not have to report that item in deta
92 Post contains links MakeMinesLAX : Well, according to this thread, the SIN-SYD leg will be SQ221, departing at 2030 and arriving at 0555 the next morning. The extended ground time in S
93 QFYMML : Thanks. I did see that thread, but not until after I'd already posted. Some good info there.
94 Post contains images FAEDC3 : Couldn't agree more.... Doubting on SQ's Finance Officials ability to do their job is just crazy. This might be a financing lease, because they are t
95 N104UA : Is there a firm date for the delivery of 9V-SKB?
96 Zeke : I don't seem to see you sharing the same vigor to people who have suggested the opposite without any justification. The launch price was already disc
97 Post contains links Zeke : Another lease back deal made the press, this time AI http://sify.com/finance/fullstory.php?id=14586450 "The airline has set a reserve price of $65 mil
98 OldAeroGuy : It would be fascinating to know exactly who got what out of the lease back arrangement and what escalation rate was built into the Airbus-SQ A380 cont
99 Post contains images Rheinbote : Please take my apologies if you got that impression, but no vigor involved on my side. To the contrary, I usually enjoy the insight you provide with
100 Mariner : Not my debate, but to expand on that, I know from SEC filings of one airline that paid (pays) much more than $25 million. mariner
101 Post contains links RedChili : FlightGlobal confirms that: The three A380s have been sold to Doric Asset Finance. Airbus got 198.6 million for each. The planes will be leased to SQ
102 Thorben : So they are buying it for 198.6 million and will get 204 million over ten years? 5.4 million surplus over ten years? That is only 2.7% in ten years?
103 Astuteman : Thanks for the link, RedChilli. Two interesting points the article brings out is that a) the early frames, although hand-wired, have no operational d
104 Scouseflyer : But they get to keep the planes at the end of the 10 years - they are paying 198.6 million for an asset, leasing it out for 10 years to get and incom
105 Art : 1.7 million pm = 19.4 million pa. That's close on 10% of the 198.6 million it cost the lessor. Don't forget that the lessor owns it, so in addition t
106 Slz396 : Another interesting point the FI article unambiguously brings up: These A380s were apparently not sold to Doric Asset Finance by SQ as many originally
107 RedChili : On my calculator: 1.7 x 12 = 20.4.
108 Scouseflyer : Very interesting, you'll get yourself into trouble suggesting things like the break-even point is coming down! The way that I read it, this deal has
109 \'Longreach\' : Wow, this kind of strategy blows my mind!! I find it really interesting and clever/cunning. How do you find your way into this sort of job?
110 Post contains images Slz396 : Interesting AND very plausible if I may add to that as it is well-known Airbus likes to work with this type of provisions in their contracts, especia
111 RedChili : Just to play with a few numbers: This is around 56,000 dollars per day. If an A380 makes two flights per day, with 471 seats, SQ needs to get 59 doll
112 Post contains images Someone83 : Take a degree in Finance
113 RedChili : Let's not get too excited. Let's remember some of the negative sides of the A380, such as the unbearably low level of noise in the cabin!!! It's so q
114 Scouseflyer : Which seems like quite a good deal to me when there won't be many seats SIN-LHR that are going for less $1000
115 Singapore_Air : From what has happenned tonight, the timing couldn't be any more perfect!
116 Thorben : You mean the opening of Terminal 3 at SIN? Getting the new terminal and the 2nd A380. Two new toys at the same time.
117 Post contains images Astuteman : The First-class suites on their own will probably get you between 2X and 3X that amount per day.....   Edit - the standard one-way fares for SQ220
118 A342 : Did you read this part? Doesn't this mean that SQ is going to have THREE A380s at the end of this month?
119 Post contains links and images KELPkid : I think he meant 9V-SKA getting stuck in the grass at SYD... SIA 9V-SKA A380 Issue At Push Back (by Knoxibus Jan 10 2008 in Civil Aviation) Enjoy!
120 Thorben : For passengers, but how about cargo?
121 Zvezda : Huh? Please note the link I quoted. It was not Flight International.
122 RedChili : But Flightglobal reports exactly the same as Manager-Magazin. So if the Manager-Magazin reporter made a mistake, then the Flight reporter and Flight
123 Post contains links Ants : Apparently Airbus has now officially handed the second A380 (msn005) over to Singapore Airlines. http://www.airbus.com/en/presscentre...8_01_11_delive
124 Jetblueguy22 : Too bad its already should be flying. At least that is what Airbus said originally. Blue
125 Post contains images Lightsaber : Two years ago. Time for the new thread. I'm excited that these large jets are entering the fleet. Lightsaber
126 Zvezda : Not quite two years. First delivery was originally scheduled for February 2006. Airbus are 21 to 22 months behind the original schedule.
127 Thorben : So, when are we going to see No.3? February?
128 Post contains links RedChili : SKB will fly to HKG until SKC is delivered. SKC is delivered end of February. http://www.atwonline.com/news/story.html?storyID=11383
129 Post contains images CHRISBA777ER : Saw Kilo-Bravo, in all her shiny beautiful glory at SIN this morning - she was parked up on a hard stand near the budget terminal when I arrived from
130 Post contains images A342 : For God's sake, YES, PLEASE!
131 United787 : No picture of SKB yet. I want to see a pic of her at SIN next to SKA!
132 Post contains images CHRISBA777ER : Ok - I'll see what I can do.
133 Post contains links and images Paparadzi : Today 9V-SKB did a training flight to KUL. Pictures should be in queue now. But for a start......
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