AV8AJET From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1266 posts, RR: 1 Reply 1, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2551 times:
BY738 From US Minor Outlying Islands, joined Sep 2000, 2004 posts, RR: 1 Reply 3, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2469 times:
....or any of the other hangers-on with nothing better to be doing than stirring.
TWA902fly From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 3053 posts, RR: 4 Reply 4, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2445 times:
My opinion: Thats a long time to keep a 757 on the ground at EDI. Over 4 hours. the flight from JFK turns
10:20am-11:50am... only an hour and a half. But there will be two DL 757s leaving EDI roughly the same time.
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ScottishLaddie From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2004, 2383 posts, RR: 9 Reply 6, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2367 times:
My opinion: Thats a long time to keep a 757 on the ground at EDI. Over 4 hours. the flight from JFK turns
10:20am-11:50am... only an hour and a half. But there will be two DL 757s leaving EDI roughly the same time
ATL departs at 1150.
As Humberside said, the aircraft will be operating ATL-EDI-JFK and JFK-EDI-ATL, so you're looking at 0735-0905 for one turnaround and 1020-1150 for the second turnaround.
MrLurker From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 48 posts, RR: 3 Reply 8, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2186 times:
Quoting RwSEA (Thread starter): ATL-EDI will operate again this summer, between June 1 and Sept 30th. Aircraft will be the 752
I'll preface my comment by stating that I have no knowledge of DL's yields on specific routes...
BUT
This makes me a little worried. ATL-EDI was axed to switch it to JFK-EDI (one can only assume in the hopes of higher profits). Great plan...retooling the network to optimize results is a wonderful thing.
AND buying the ex-TWA 757's for TATL was a wonderful thing. It allows you to right-size certain markets, and more importantly, free up 767's for farther and more profitable routes.
So what has me worried is that, while only seasonal, the most profitable route for one of the 'new' ex-TWA 757's is summer only ATL-EDI? The announcement would indicate so, but does anyone have any thoughts on this?
And I am not Delta-bashing. And I love Edinburgh. And Atlanta.
WorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 9, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2157 times:
DL's use of the 757 on summer seasonal routes just means they have more plans for the following year but that they are not ready to implement for summer 08. It is not hard to make money to Europe during the summer; DL's plans to pull the plane off the route when fall starts means they are taking advantage of good opportunities here and now. A 757 is fairly easy and cost-effectiv to fly on the domestic system during the winter since there is really only an 8 seat difference between Business Elite and domestic configured aircraft.
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Papatango From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 500 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2087 times:
CALPSAFltSkeds From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 2234 posts, RR: 7 Reply 13, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2046 times:
Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 9): DL's use of the 757 on summer seasonal routes just means they have more plans for the following year but that they are not ready to implement for summer 08.
So, DL use of 757's for summer only foretells some type of year-round service in the future. Since the 757's can make more money in the domestic market in Fall/Winter 08/09, what happens in Fall/Winter 09/10 when those aircraft are doing Europe? Domestic yields drop or does a DL takeover of UA or NW free up some aircraft to fly those domestic gold mines?
OA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 4999 posts, RR: 25 Reply 14, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 1989 times:
Also bear in mind that there were rumors that there would be more JFK-Europe flights announced for this coming summer but that those plans were put on hold when the JFK slot restrictions were floated around.
DL could either acquire more 757s to support this flight in the future, could redeploy the a/c to other routes which have more profit potential, or could operate it seasonally, returning the a/c to the domestic system for the rest of the year. Given that airlines the size of DL constantly move aircraft in/out of their fleets, it isn't hard to imagine that they could coordinate this route and other summer seasonal transatlantic flights w/ other fleet changes. Remember that DL has operated summer seasonal 764 domestic configured transatlantic flights for the past several years. This isn't really that different.
DeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 8628 posts, RR: 8 Reply 16, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 1925 times:
also note didn't the FAA say all flights for JFK 08 had to be released buy October 07?
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Cubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 21294 posts, RR: 19 Reply 17, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 1914 times:
Quoting MrLurker (Reply 8):
So what has me worried is that, while only seasonal, the most profitable route for one of the 'new' ex-TWA 757's is summer only ATL-EDI? The announcement would indicate so, but does anyone have any thoughts on this?
TXL-EWR is the longest TATL 752 route we've seen operated reliably year-round. EDI-ATL is 30 nm longer. It makes me wonder whether they're concerned about the 752's abilities on the route in the winter. Of course, there might be something else at work too...
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CALPSAFltSkeds From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 2234 posts, RR: 7 Reply 18, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1860 times:
DL could either acquire more 757s to support this flight in the future, could redeploy the a/c to other routes which have more profit potential, or could operate it seasonally, returning the a/c to the domestic system for the rest of the year. Given that airlines the size of DL constantly move aircraft in/out of their fleets, it isn't hard to imagine that they could coordinate this route and other summer seasonal transatlantic flights w/ other fleet changes. Remember that DL has operated summer seasonal 764 domestic configured transatlantic flights for the past several years. This isn't really that different.
That sounds more like it. Then there is no plan that you know of to have ATL-EDI go year -around starting next year. Does Cubsrule make a good point that winter westbounds would be a problem?
How many more 757's could DL acquire? Funny how the 757, only after DL starting flying them TATL, is now being hyped by WorldTraveler as a TATL aircraft after long downplaying their effectiveness.
Breaker1011 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 938 posts, RR: 2 Reply 19, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 1851 times:
Along with the return of ATL-SNN this summer, frankly I think the big D was sitting on a spare aircraft and tried to dollywag it into an already existing TATL station with planned capacity that was sitting on the low-side (ie - just 1 757 to JFK). There are more viable markets for this bird (aka - GLA), but right now, with JFK slots more restrictive, ATL-EDI worked just fine for another summer.
Financially, I think they're biting off quite a bit with new station opening in '08 and to go for yet another like GLA just to satisfy a pretty 757 sitting around might have just been too cost/resource prohibitive. CAI, AMM, PVG, CPT, ARN, NBO, LHR, ORY, Malaga - that's A-L-O-T of new airports to get opened in one summer! But who knows with DL, they may try in the end to pull off a few more surprises for Summer 08.
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