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B6 Doubles SAN-SLC  
User currently offlineAirwarrior From United States of America, joined May 2001, 123 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2818 times:

I dont know the start date but I went to book a flight the first week of May and there are now two flights offered in each direction. The route must be doing pretty well. Any other growth for them out west?

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User currently offlineJetBluefan1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3000 posts, RR: 14
Reply 1, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2631 times:

The second flight starts May 1, 2008.

I would expect further growth at SLC.

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User currently offlineAirwarrior From United States of America, joined May 2001, 123 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2597 times:

The second flight departs close to the same time as the LGB flight so I am assuming they have acquired an additional gate at SLC. If I remember correctly- the concourse they are on didn't have any avail gates the last time I was there. Every gate was occupied (F9, NW, CO and AA) and it was quite crowded. Ill be curious to see where they park the SAN a/c. Glad to see B6 expanding SLC.

User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5477 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2526 times:



Quoting Airwarrior (Reply 2):
Glad to see B6 expanding SLC.

And SAN! (Which I hope to see more of this year...)

bb


User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2507 times:

Impressive that there is the demand for service between San Diego and Salt Lake City!!

This will bring the SAN-SLC market up to seven daily flights, plus Southwest's once-a-week-Saturday-only flight. Interestingly, for something only us a.netter's would find fun is that there are now six different airplanes flying this route!! DL uses a 757, CRJ-100, 737-800, CRJ-700, and an MD90, WN a 737-300/500/700, and B6 A320's!

Something for every taste.



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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5477 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2326 times:



Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 4):
This will bring the SAN-SLC market up to seven daily flights.

Good point PanAm'; and I truly believe WN will be in the battle this summer as well with a minimum of 3x daily n/s.

On this and other threads most folks seem to be looking at this as a "SLC-happening"; I again wish to emphasis that it may well be as much of, or even more, of a "SAN-thing". Looking at the schedule, I'm not seeing more SFO or BUR (or east coast) flights out of SLC, just this SAN addition. (And yes, I do realize there may be more SLC coming that hasn't been announced yet. And I too agree with Airwarrior that a second gate will be used at SLC at least once a day...) BTW, I also notice that the afternoon SLC-SAN is no longer a tag-on to the JFK-SLC flight; that has been moved back to late night.

Barring any other additions (that also have not yet been announced) SAN, as of May 1, will be at 7 daily departures out of Lindbergh! (That's 3x JFK, 1x BOS, 1x IAD and 2x SLC.) I personally think we could see something to Florida happen, perhaps a second BOS trip, and I would love to see what would happen if Blue finally jumped in with a morning departure from SAN to JFK -- right on top of AA and DL!? (I would certainly hate to see either of those flights disappear but if I were B6 right now, I would be tasting the legacy blood as both DL and AA seem to be comatose, if not outright faltering, at SAN, and I would go for the jugular.)

I think, and may be the only one on the planet that does, and have felt for a couple of years now, that B6 could and might very easily turn San Diego into a third focus city on the west coast and do remarkably well. If and when the 190s find their way to the Left Coast, they would have a firm anchor full of jetBlue customer (and loyalists) for service to FAT, LAS, SJC, OAK, SMF, SLC, PDX, SEA, and YVR (plus using ONT for the other So Cal base.)

I will continue to be pleased (though not too surprised) to see Lindbergh Field get Blue-er and Blue-er as time goes on. (And I'm not even including Zoom in this case!)

Keep 'em coming -- we love Blue in San Diego!

bb


User currently offlineBreaker1011 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 938 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2236 times:



Quoting SANFan (Reply 5):
(I would certainly hate to see either of those flights disappear but if I were B6 right now, I would be tasting the legacy blood as both DL and AA seem to be comatose, if not outright faltering, at SAN, and I would go for the jugular.)

If there were more money to be made out of SAN than on other routes that DL and AA fly profitably, then I'm sure they'd not "falter" and would be flying from SAN to everywhere you'd like. Alas they go where the yeilds are. My impression is that both carriers are quite, quite healthy at SAN so not sure where "faultering" comes from.

Though I'm with you nonetheless - I feel the same "wishes" for my favorite airline out my current hometown too. They do well, but are just not adding the flights I wish they would!

But on the topic specifically - with 18 nonstop routes for Southwest out of SAN, I don't think B6 would be all to eager to jump in to any significant extent. If you ask me, WN has been pretty "patient" with B6 and some of the routes they've moved on. I think one day, B6 will make some addition somewhere and you'll see WN respond with a vengance, in particular in the MCO, LGB, SLC and yeah, even SAN markets. WN is plotting quietly out there - improving it's service and luring more high-yeild fliers. I've no doubt a hit at B6 is in their playbook down the line.



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User currently offlineRwSEA From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3110 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2221 times:

I think B6 would be in a good position to expand at SAN. The LAX basin airports are maxed out, and SAN has less competition anyways. I would like to see SAN-SEA/PDX as both routes are operated by AS only.

User currently offlineBkircher From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 215 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2184 times:

Any word on when B6 is gonna station some Embraer 190s on the West Coast?

User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 4112 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2092 times:



Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 4):
Impressive that there is the demand for service between San Diego and Salt Lake City!!

I'm actually quite surprised WN doesn't do more with SLC-SAN or SLC-SNA. SAN has been one of the top O&D markets for SLC for some time. Granted it isn't up with SEA, PHX, LAX or DEN but the last I checked it was in the top ten and growing every year as far back as I could see. Hopefully SLC can see a similar 3 way competition as DEN now enjoys but DL, WN and B6 being the big players.



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User currently offlineAv8tor From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 142 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2051 times:



Quoting RwSEA (Reply 7):
If you ask me, WN has been pretty "patient" with B6 and some of the routes they've moved on. I think one day, B6 will make some addition somewhere and you'll see WN respond with a vengance, in particular in the MCO, LGB, SLC and yeah, even SAN markets. WN is plotting quietly out there - improving it's service and luring more high-yeild fliers. I've no doubt a hit at B6 is in their playbook down the line.

WN has been "patient" because they know they have an inferior product. Granted, they have a far superior route system.


User currently offlineBreaker1011 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 938 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2036 times:

Inferior only for medium-long hauls IMO. The topic is more or less focusing on shorter, western hauls. For those trips, I'll put WN up against B6 anyday from a shear efficiency, price, and frequency standpoint. Don't discount some of the immense loyalty we westerners have for WN, especially for short-haul flying. You probably don't appreciate that being in CLT, but if WN were to put their standard 6, 7, or 8 frequencies per day in each direction on the SLC-SAN route of topic, or say SLC-LGB, JetBlue would pack up their gate podiums and run back to JFK. They couldn't compete profitably against that and DL's hub combined.

(PS - Im more a legacy carrier fan, but WN is just a cool way to fly and they are really wowing me lately)



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User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 6085 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1883 times:



Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 4):
CRJ-100

CRJ-100 aircraft do not operate in the west for Delta.



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User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 1830 times:



Quote:
CRJ-100 aircraft do not operate in the west for Delta.

SAN 10:00am
SLC 1:00pm
Nonstop 2 hr Delta 3990
CRJ 100
operated by Skywest Airlines
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This is taken directly from Delta's website.

On a side note - a while back, I posted a thread about DL and F9 having very strange eastbound schedule "anomalies" in their first bank of hub flights to MSP. One respondent pointed out that the minimum connecting time at SLC is 25 minutes, and that the outgoing MSP flight left 23 minutes after the incoming SAN flight arrived, which is why the computer wouldn't show that as a possibility. This has been rectified - flight 1764 now departs at 9:45 AM (instead of 9:40 AM), allowing a 27 minute connection instead of 23 minutes. I am grateful to Delta for noticing this minor but irritating problem!!



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User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5700 posts, RR: 24
Reply 14, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 1779 times:



Quoting SANFan (Reply 5):
(And yes, I do realize there may be more SLC coming that hasn't been announced yet. And I too agree with Airwarrior that a second gate will be used at SLC at least once a day...)

I dont know where this extra gate is coming from, unless B6 plans to move elsewhere in the airport. But as far as expansions, CO has announced 2 more dailies to Houston, and a daylight flight to EWR (already in the schedules after March), as well as rumors that a CLE leg might return.



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User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 1741 times:



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I think, and may be the only one on the planet that does, and have felt for a couple of years now, that B6 could and might very easily turn San Diego into a third focus city on the west coast and do remarkably well. If and when the 190s find their way to the Left Coast, they would have a firm anchor full of jetBlue customer (and loyalists) for service to FAT, LAS, SJC, OAK, SMF, SLC, PDX, SEA, and YVR (plus using ONT for the other So Cal base.)

You're not the only that thinks that SAN could have been a focus city for B6, but there are some serious competition problems at SAN - primarily with WN, the largest carrier here. Bay area traffic is dominated by UA and WN, who have very large corporate accounts and shuttle many high tech employees back and forth. LAS is VERY low-yielding, and if there was room for a second airline to PDX and SEA non-stop, I think WN would have filled that niche.

Also, if B6 had gotten some of those smaller jets to SAN or ONT quicker, they'd be doing what ExpressJet is doing - filling in the "niche" cities that can support 1 or 2 small flights a day, doing point-to-point flying.



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User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 6085 posts, RR: 14
Reply 16, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 1721 times:



Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 13):
This is taken directly from Delta's website.

Trust me on this: There are not, nor ever have been -100's in SkyWest's fleet.



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User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 1676 times:



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There are not, nor ever have been -100's in SkyWest's fleet.


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I'm afraid you'll need to take your point up with Delta, SkyWest, Airliners.net photo editors, and the individual photographers who took the pictures.



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User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 6085 posts, RR: 14
Reply 18, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 1633 times:

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 17):
I'm afraid you'll need to take your point up with Delta, SkyWest, Airliners.net photo editors, and the individual photographers who took the pictures.

Just the editors, photographers, and scheduling people at Delta, and apparently you now, since you refuse to listen. SkyWest, ATC, the pilots, flight attendants, mechanics, and I, know that they are CRJ-200LR aircraft. The only thing that is shared between the two aircraft is the type designator of CL-600-2B19. Even the 44 seat aircraft uses this type designator; however, it does NOT mean that they are the same in every way,

Take a look at those of the flights on FlightAware even. They are CRJ2, and not CRJ1.

[Edited 2008-01-08 11:46:33]


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User currently offlineNASBWI From Bahamas, joined Feb 2005, 1316 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 1603 times:



Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 18):
know that they are CRJ-200LR aircraft. The only thing that is shared between the two aircraft is the type designator of CL-600-2B19. Even the 44 seat aircraft uses this type designator; however, it does NOT mean that they are the same in every way,

Take a look at those of the flights on FlightAware even. They are CRJ2, and not CRJ1.

Oh good heavens, nitpicker!  tongue . CRJ is probably what he meant - in general. From the outside, you really can't tell the difference, and you probably could've cleared that up in the first post you made to argue  wink . Point is, OO operates CRJ aircraft (albeit -200 series) for DL out of SLC.



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User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9644 posts, RR: 68
Reply 20, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 1516 times:
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looks like dude is right:

http://www.crj.bombardier.com/CRJ/en/operators.jsp?langId=en&crjId=200

Says Skywest only operates the -200.

But I am no expert  Wink


User currently offlineDacman From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 444 posts, RR: 8
Reply 21, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 1419 times:
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This thread was just brought to my attention and since one of my photos was used in one of the replies I thought I would add my two cents.

According to my production list records compiled from JP Airline Fleets, CRJ-200s with line no's 7028, 7029, 7030, 7034, 7055, 7056, 7066, 7067, 7089, 7101, and 7102 are converted -100ERs to 200ERs (what this entails I don't know).

Further more line no's 7062, 7069, 7072, 7077, 7079, 7279, 7285, 7292, 7293, and 7297 are -100ERs leased from Comair.

So Skywest does operate the -100ER

I have found the JP Airline Fleets to be a reliable source over the years, again just my two cents.

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(Dacman)
LAX / LGB Local



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